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@Mrs. Jacks: We do not qualify according to that online tool.
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@mrbee: I can't believe you pay that much!! My jaw is on the floor.
Ben really thinks our premium will come down this year, even though it's projected to go up.
We will see who is right soon enough!
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@irene: it's not that the website doesn't work, but rather that demand was off the hook high today. New York alone got over 2 million hits in the early part of the first day!
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I agree with so many of you, mainly from the first page, and of course mrs jacks here on the second page. I don't think the ACA is perfect, but it's a heck of a lot better than doing nothing!
And yes, I agree with Obama's statement on NPR - the government in no way can or should negotiate with a small faction of one party who are trying to hold the country hostage. Only 22% of the country identifies themselves as Tea Party, so why should the other 78% be subjected to their asinine views? We don't negotiate with terrorists, and in my opinion, what the Republican Party, the tea party group in particular, is doing, is equivalent to domestic terrorism. Shame on them.
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@irene: In regards to the website, I read a statement today saying that when Apple rolled out iOS 7, there were glitches with the software at the beginning as well, yet no one called for Apple to shut its doors and close up shop forever, did they? When millions of people are logging on to a website for the first time, there are bound to be glitches, such is life. They will be fixed and we will all move on. Pointing to that as a downfall of Obamacare is just plain silly.
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@Ree723: good point
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@Ree723: @Mrs. Jacks: True. I just have very little faith in the government in making it work though- I mean the entire system, not the website. Thats just me. At the same time I hate republicans "kidnapping" government employees' paychecks to negotiate on something that they do not agree on.
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@irene: I understand. A lot of people feel that way... And a lot of people felt that way when Medicare came into existence and yet now it's a third rail of politics. Nobody can touch it because it is so beloved.
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Just an FYI re: exchanges. EVERYONE can go to the exchanges. NOT everyone will qualify for a subsidy to the premiums
Even though my DH and I have employer sponsored plans available to us, which automatically makes us ineligible for a subsidy, I still plan to shop the exchange. I believe in being an informed consumer when I have choices available.
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This article pretty much sums up my feelings:
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/10/01/the-nullification-party/
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Republicans. There should not be a compromise. They already compromised on obamacare. They already voted it into law. It has already helped my family save thousands of dollars, from staying on our parents plan until we were 26, mandating our insurer cover a breast pump, covering other preventative services. It is already helping people.
Republicans did not HAVE to attach the defunding ammendment to the budget deal. They could have voted for a clean continuing resoluton and had a separate vote to defjnd Obamacare. Why didn't they do that? Because Republicans have voted dozens of other times to defund it or repeal it and have failed. So they try this huge ultimatum instead. And why now? They are worried it will be implemented and people will like it and not want to repeal it after 2014.
It makes me SO annoyed to see these proposals like, "we'll just fund cancer research! Or just the parks!" and people getting all annoyed at government bureaucracy preventing these things from happening.
NO. It is government that keeps these things open. It is government that keeps our national parks open, that helps women buy food for their children, that enables cancer research, that helps give people access to health care, that gives Veteran's their pensions, that enables children to have preschool. Is government some big evil bureaucracy? No. It is the embodiment of our collective values. We believe in clean air and water and educated children and safe communities and healthy people and so we create this body, government, to allow us to realize those goals. It's Congress that is the problem. Government is good. Congress is what is getting in the way.
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@jedeve: I 100% agree with every single thing you wrote. Well said!
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@jedeve: YES!
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@jedeve: righteous rant!
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@jedeve: Agree!
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@jedeve: That's exactly what it is. The Republican's don't honestly think America will hate Obama care. They're terrified America will love it and they will have been dead. wrong. Listen to their interviews! They talk about how if they allow it to be funded it will never be defunded because America historically does not want these programs taken away. Well hm... if America doesn't WANT it taken away... guess what... YOU LOSE. It's not the best program, but it's a hell of a lot better than what we've got now and it's what most of America (barring a small subset of right wing extremists) wants. Ugh.
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@jedeve: Word.
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@jedeve: yes, yes, yes
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Agree with many others, including @jedeve who really hit the nail on the head.
I'd like to say that a small minority of Republicans are to blame, but since that small minority is being pandered to by the larger party more and more often (either through moderate R's leaving the party like Olympia Snow, being forced out by the very conservative minority, or through straight lock-step party voting), it's really comes down to the Republican party as a whole.
People who argue that both parties are the same, both are equally to blame, both need to compromise more, etc. etc. are in denial and/or keeping themselves ignorant of how politics has functioned in the US over the past 8 years (really, much longer than that, but the past 8 years have been especially polarized).
I'm glad Obama is standing his ground on this. It's about time modern Dems grew a spine.
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@jedeve: well said!
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@jedeve: Right on, sister!
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Did you see that a rep from Indiana said today that republicans don't know what they want but they better get something out of this?!
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@Mrs. Jacks: That's horrible. It makes it sound like they don't even CARE about the American people AT ALL - they just want to WIN against the Democrats!
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@Mrs. Jacks: I mean, that's just it, isn't it? They don't care what they get, just that they get something that is the opposite of what the Dems (and, obviously, the voting public) want! Oh, and those pictures of John Boehner crying make me stabby. This whole thing is just infuriating. We must look like such huge assholes to the rest of the world. Petulant, spoiled America can't play nice.
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@MrsJacks... when I saw that- I was like what the hell does he want. A cookie and some crayons. Maybe we should start a 'toddler board' for the congressmen.
@mrsjumprope- why don't you qualify?
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@Coopersmama: Everyone qualifies. She just doesn't qualify for the subsidy.
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My in laws own a small business and they got a letter from their insurance company offering a 25% decrease in their premiums if they re-up with them and change their effective date to jan 1 of this year. So they must be afraid they'll lose them to the SHOP exchange my VERY conservative, anti-Obama ILs are pissed. At their insurance company.
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@dagret: I don't understand. They are getting a 25% decrease in premiums to stick with the insurance they already have and they are upset...?
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@Mae: yep, I don't understand it.
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This is just so upsetting. Thanks to whoever posted the Jon Stewart clip. He's right: “This is not a game of chicken! This is when someone is driving to work and there’s a car coming directly at them in their lane. That’s not a game of chicken, that’s an asshole causing a head-on collision.”
Trying to blame this on Democrats is so cowardly and wrong. This is definitely the Tea Party's fault, and the jelly-spined Republicans are complicit. As this NYTimes story said:
“Democrats howled about ‘extortion’ and ‘hostage taking,’ which Boehner seemed to confirm when he came to the floor and offered: ‘All the Senate has to do is say ‘yes,’ and the government is funded tomorrow.’ It was the legislative equivalent of saying, ‘Give me the money and nobody gets hurt.’ ”http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/02/opinion/friedman-our-democracy-is-at-stake.html?src=me&ref=general
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@yoursilverlining: I sooooi agree with what you said!
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@Cherrybee: Just to be clear, the USA isn't a democracy. It's a republic.
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I think there is fault all over the place in this. I hate bipartisan government. All this arguing and pointing fingers is just crazy.
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@Dandelion: the alternative of single party rule scares me more!
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@Mrs. Jacks: I hate that both sides are SO opposite from each other. It's the most extreme of politics on both sides. I wish there were more emphasis on other parties, like the Libertarians and the Green party, who are more down the middle with things. It would make a good tie breaker party so that things like this wouldn't happen.
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@Dandelion: How exactly would you consider the Green party and Libertarians to be more 'in the middle' on anything? Those groups represent the far extremes of right/leftwing politics, and they're not moderate about anything.
I've long been disgusted by how republicans act, but this has really taken the cake for me. I'm hoping that it will lead to an even larger exodus from their party by moderates.
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@Mrs. Jacks: Agreed! How do you feel about a 3 party system? I'm undecided.
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@Dandelion: Oh crikey, Im going to have to look that up now and get my head around it! So complicated! Thanks for the pointer!
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@Cherrybee: yeah its ironic when we say we're all abput spreading democracy and we're not one lol
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@sarac: I identify as an independent voter because I see things on both sides. The libertarian party is like that in that it takes from both sises also. Legalizing pot is pretty liberal while states rights is pretty conservative. They are about small goverent though so i can see how more liberal people don't like them. But the idea that they have ideas from both sides would make a good third party. We can keep having both sides pointing fingers and being stubborn. Its pretty ridiculous.
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