How did you decide how many embryos to transfer during either a fresh or frozen cycle? I transferred two fresh embryos right after my retrieval and it didn't work. I now have two frozen embryos left. I don't know what to do!
How did you decide how many embryos to transfer during either a fresh or frozen cycle? I transferred two fresh embryos right after my retrieval and it didn't work. I now have two frozen embryos left. I don't know what to do!
persimmon / 1483 posts
My clinic had guidelines that were adhered to pretty strictly. For my first LO, I was under 35, with no previous IVF failures, diagnosed PCOS as the cause of IF and had a number of highly graded embryos to work with. For all of those reasons, they would only transfer one. For my frozen cycle with this LO, I was 35, but because of my previous successful cycle and number of frozen embryos, I was still firmly in the single embryo transfer camp.
grapefruit / 4045 posts
@Madison43: Thanks for your response. Interesting that your RE transfers just one. My RE said he suggests transferring one more than what was transferring during a failed fresh cycle. So for me, he would recommend transferring three! But I only have two, so that's what he recommends. Still, I'm considering transferring just one but don't know how to make that decision.
persimmon / 1114 posts
With my first fresh Ivf they transferred two bc it was a day 3 transfer and I got pregnant with 1 embryo that cycle. With my first FET they only transferred 1 bc I had a successful Ivf and it did not work. For my second FET i transferred 2 and 1 took but it was a blighted ovum. For my third FET I was at a new clinic and they have a strict one embryo only policy. However, my embryos looked "average at best" so they let me transfer two. I am currently pregnant with a singleton from that transfer. All of that to say- I am a big fan of double embryo transfers because - for me- that is the only time even 1 seems to stick. However I am sure a lot has to do with the quality of your embryos.
grapefruit / 4045 posts
@bloved: Thanks for responding. I wish my doctor had a strict policy because then I wouldn't be left with making the decision.
persimmon / 1114 posts
@agold: haha but clearly not that strict since they broke it for me do you know the quality of the embryos you have? Honestly I think most studies show there is no benefit to transferring two- you are just more likely to have twins. With that in mind, transferring 1 is probably what most clinics would recommend. I think my experience might be an outlier one.
grapefruit / 4045 posts
@bloved: I've just emailed my nurse to ask about the quality of the frozen embryos. I do know that they were frozen on day 6 and did reach blastocyst stage by that day. The two fresh ones I transferred on day 5 had only reached a pre-blast stage. (This has caused me extreme angst and anxiety.)
persimmon / 1483 posts
@agold: such a tough decision. The doctors at my clinic are huge proponents of single embryo transfer when possible - my doctor used to tell me that transferring 2 doesn't increase your odds of getting pregnant, it only increases your odds of having twins. I'm a little surprised your doctor wants to transfer more embryos than during your fresh cycle - I was pretty sure that recent research indicates that frozen cycles actually have a higher success rate than fresh cycles - so much so that many doctors are moving toward frozen cycle transfers only. I have zero medical background though, so take that with a grain of salt...I'm only repeating what I remember about my conversation with my RE before my frozen cycle.
nectarine / 2465 posts
I only wanted to transfer 1, twins scare me in the end, I didn't have a choice because we only had 1 viable embryo.
kiwi / 613 posts
I would decide based on history, embryo quality and doctor recommendation. I also find it strange that your doc would recommend transferring three, especially since you don't have a bunch of transfer failures behind you. I agree with everyone else that transferring two doesn't really increase your odds of getting pregnant, only of getting twins. And from a financial perspective paying out of pocket, you'd get two chances doing them one at a time. That being said, I understand the emotional draw towards transferring two, even if the stats don't support it. I transferred one in my first IVF cycle and first FET (only had one frozen), but then upped it to two for subsequent cycles. However, I'm pregnant now from a single embryo transfer (but from a donor egg, so that's a big quality difference to my own 38-year old eggs.)
grapefruit / 4045 posts
@MrsKRB: And your one embryo was a great one!
@momazon: That's so great that the donor egg embryo worked out. My husband likes the idea of having two chances at doing FET. I'm a tad worried about time - if I need to do another fresh IVF cycle, I'd rather know now and do it sooner than later. Ugh. Too much to consider.
grapefruit / 4291 posts
@agold: there's an HB member called Mrs Greengrass who has blogged about the complications from her double embryo transplant (I hope that's the correct terminology!), I believe her IVF cycle resulted in four babies and she talks about undergoing selective reduction. She writes over at Baby Making Merry Go Round.
I hope I'm not overstepping the mark by bringing up her experience or her blog and wish you luck with whatever you decide!
hostess / wonderful apple seed / 16729 posts
We transferred 2 and my RE asked is how many we wanted to transfer in our FET. I always wanted twins so we were okay with the idea of multiples. Plus, I knew not all embryos would take so I figure with 2 transferred that hopefully one would take. I did also have to consider the risk of twins or more since it's possible for them to split. Oh, we had 7 embryos frozen from our retrival, so we have 5 left in the freezer.
ETA: My embryos were ICSI and day 5.
persimmon / 1023 posts
We transferred two on our first fresh IVF cycle and ended up with our son. Our clinic let us choose between 1 or 2 on the day of transfer after telling us the grade...I think we had 1 excellent and 3 average embryos. We had talked about it and decided we were ok with twins and thought we would always wonder what would have happened if we just transferred one and it was unsuccessful. I believe under 35 it's a max of two at our clinic and they strongly prefer you transfer only one. They were very realistic about the chance of multiples. If we were to do it again for a second child, we would likely only transfer one...I think we were pretty nonchalant about the realities of having twins and I think with an already increased chance of multiples with IVF, it's important to think through those realities if that should happen.
pomelo / 5628 posts
@Kemma: no prob! I always chime in. You explained it pretty well
pear / 1986 posts
Here are the guidelines from the American Society of Reproductive Medicine by age (note these do not distinguish between fresh and frozen):
Under 35: 1 embryo for favorable prognosis/blastocyst transfer; 1 to 2 embryos for favorable prognosis/cleavage-stage transfer; 2 embryos for all others
35 to 37 years: 2 embryos for all patients (except 3 embryos for women with less favorable prognoses who receive cleavage-stage embryos)
38 to 40 years: 2 embryos for favorable prognosis/blastocyst transfer; 4 embryos for less favorable prognosis/cleavage-stage transfer, and 3 embryos for all others
41 to 42 years: 3 embryos for those receiving blastocysts and 5 embryos for those receiving cleavage-stage embryos
AFM: I had a single embryo for my fresh cycle ( age 34), 2 for FET #1 ( single age 34), 2 for FET #2 and #3 ( age 36 & 37 ), and 3 for FET #4 ( age 37). All embryos were blasts day 5 or 6. I'm pretty sure we will transfer 2 if we go through a fresh cycle again and have good embryos.
Tough decision, I know!
honeydew / 7230 posts
We transferred 2 for our day 3 transfer at the recommendation of our embryologist. This was a little over two years ago and it was standard practice at my office to transfer two. We were totally on board (and I secretly wanted twins) so we went with the dr's recommendation. My twins are 17 months old now. It's been quite the trip. Our twins are the best thing that have ever happened to us, but I feel like I should also point out that having multiples is HARD! Think long and hard about how twins would fit into your life before transferring two. If we had to make the decision again, we'd still transfer two but I think I remember at least one other twin mom here who said she'd do it differently if she could go back in time.
blogger / wonderful cherry / 21628 posts
My DH and I based our decision on how many babies we would be comfortable with. My clinic transfers up to 3. We went with 2 because we would have been ok with twins.
After losing a twin in the first trimester I'm not sure I would transfer 2 again.
persimmon / 1132 posts
Interesting ideas and experiences here! We will transfer two once we get there shortly after you this fall! Our decision is pretty much based on our RE's recommendation which is also the ASRM guidelines posted by @GreenThumb:. But we also got two "good" blasties from our freeze all, so that also helps decide things. As you know, I'm in the much-envied (ha!) 38-40 category! So if we had gotten, say, 3 "fair" or 4 "poor" blasties, I think I would be evaluating the situation a little more and thinking it through like you're doing. Not to say we're not thinking it through now! We would be happy with a singleton or twins. We would be very nervous with triplets just for health reasons (and close friends are living this difficult experience as we speak!) And then quads...
Your RE's reasoning (transfer +1 than your fresh cycle) seems a tad ... I don't know ... unscientific or something. I've never heard of that before. Sounds like you have some nice blasties left if they made it to day 6. Once you hear back some kind of quality grade, I'd probably start there and then get on the same page as DH and just trust your gut about what is right for you guys!
nectarine / 2433 posts
@agold: The RE VERY strongly recommended that we only transfer one as long as we had a blast on day 5. We were told that transferring 2 only increased our risk of multiples, not of it working. At the time of our fresh transfer I was 30 and our issues were MF and endo+DOR; also it was our first cycle.
For my SO and I personally we also discussed the fact that our life would need to change dramatically if we had multiples. The cost of living is very high and daycare for one infant is $1900++ :shocked:. It is such a personal decision but you have to trust your instincts.
ETA: We also did ICSI and assisted hatching which can increase the chances of embryos splitting. Stories like Mrs. GreenGrass' weighed on me as yet another reason to only transfer one
pomelo / 5628 posts
And just to add info, I was 32 and they were high quality blasts with ICSI on both and assisted hatching on one. (First cycle, fresh transfer, day 5).
nectarine / 2765 posts
We transferred 2 very good quality 3 day ICSI embryos that resulted in our twins. Two was recommended (but in the end completely our choice) based on my history (unexplained, previous loss). We knew that twins was a high possibility and were completely at peace with it. If we were to do it all over again I would choose two all over again...that being said, like @twodoghouse: mentioned, multiples are very HARD! At least they are for us, they'll be two soon and they're nonstop. Also for me, the twin pregnancy was pretty difficult. It's a tough decision, I hope you're able to have peace with whatever route you take!
pomegranate / 3764 posts
Always single. Gold standard practice in most clinics in Australia is SET. Reduces risks to mum and baby, and their end result is a singleton healthy baby, better for their stats.
pear / 1580 posts
At my first clinic, they strongly recommended single embryo transfer because their own stats showed that it was statistically just as successful as transferring more than one (*again, at their clinic). We didn't get to do IVF there, but that idea stuck with me when we went to our second clinic after we moved, so I transferred just one. I also knew two sets of IVF twins who had lots of minor-to-moderate health problems. Of course I'm not a doctor and I have no idea whether their twinness had anything to do with it, but it scared me a little. I decided I'd rather it take longer and go through more cycles with one embryo at a time than possibly risk health issues for twins. This was for a fresh transfer.
Good luck to you! I hope you get some clarity and make a decision you feel good about!
pomelo / 5573 posts
With my first IVF, we had the choice between one and two (I only had two) - we chose two, but it was unsuccessful. With my second IVF my doctor told me he planned to transfer as many as there were (I'm a low responder so it wasn't like we were looking at, like, 12) but only one made it, so that's what we did - that embryo is 21 months old and the other day my husband looked fondly at him and said "Remember when this guy was just a cheque for $12,000?" which made me laugh.
grapefruit / 4045 posts
Hey everyone! Thank you so much for giving me your opinions on this topic. I know this is such a personal subject so I really appreciate all thoughts that have been shared. I feel like all decisions with IVF are such a gamble. My husband and I are leaning more towards transferring one than two. We wouldn't mind twins, but we prefer just one at a time for several different reasons. I have a couple more weeks to sort this out and I'm sure the quality of the frozen embryos I have will be the final factor. But, it looks like transferring one will win out - time and money be damned!
grapefruit / 4045 posts
@erinbaderin: That's such a funny sweet story about your husband. I can't even imagine, at this point, having a child from all of these IVF efforts. I hope I do, though!
apricot / 365 posts
according to the guidelines posted above, i'd be in the 2 embryo category, but my RE will only do a SET (hubby and I were discussing 1 vs 2, and it ended up not being an issue anyways). This is our first cycle and we're doing FET
persimmon / 1316 posts
Our RE was open to transferring one or two if there wasn't PGE testing done. We chose two, got pregnant with two but lost one at 9 weeks but we have one beautiful baby now. I will only transfer 1 in the future.
hostess / wonderful apple seed / 16729 posts
Oh, I'll also add that I left my first clinic and went to one that had more success rates from people who failed to conceive at other local clinics. The IUIs done (#4-6) were unsucessful but my 1st IVF (FET) cycle worked for me.
I definitely agree that the number you ultimately choose to transfer is a personal decision. Lots of luck to you!
pea / 10 posts
Madison and Greenthumb...
Did either of you pgd test your embryos? Are either of you pregannt or become pregannt? I didn't get pregnant from my fresh transfer. I had 46 eggs retrieved resulting in 20 5 day blastocysts. 19 are frozen and I transfer one mid November. I'm freaking out we didn't pgd test and that it wont work. My Dr recommends u transfer one since I'm 28 and a small frame. What clinics do you guys go to? Any one at shady grove?
pear / 1986 posts
@Hopingforbaby: We did not do PGS on our frozen embryos because at the time of our first fresh cycle, there was nothing of concern to the RE that would indicate screening was necessary. Even though out of 1 fresh cycle and 4 FETs we have only had one successful pregnancy (I have a 2 year old daughter from our first FET), going into a new fresh cycle shortly, my RE still does not recommend PGS for us as all of our genetic testing has come back negative and we are healthy. Also, while some labs will do this, he does not recommend thawing and refreezing previously frozen embryos for the purpose of PGS as this process has a fairly detrimental effect on the embryos. I would say that with 19 tries with embryos from your current age of 28, you will very likely be successful!
honeydew / 7463 posts
I only had one good embryo (PGD testing) so that made it very easy.
But we had decided that if we had two we would have transferred both. We want(ed) two kids total and felt that if we could avoid the stress and expense of IVF by having two at once, we would do it.
Now I'm glad we only had one. The twin mommas out there are my rockstar heroes! I don't know how you do it But I would still MAYBE transfer two if the opportunity arose next time (if there is a next time, we might be one and done). This time the deciding factor would be that I don't think I want to be pregnant 3 times, for various reasons. So if we ended up with 2 embryos by some miracle, Id probably just transfer both. But that is a highly unlikely scenario.
@agold: what does your RE recommend?
honeydew / 7463 posts
@GreenThumb: That's interesting that your doc advises against thawing for PGD then refreezing. Mine made it sound like it wouldn't be a huge deal. He said of course there is some risk but they've seen it happen successfully many times.
But logically I would think your doc is right!
pear / 1986 posts
@SweetiePie: I know, the reason I asked at our appointment last week is actually because I have a friend who recently had a failed cycle and her RE is recommending they screen the three frozen embryos that she has left. I was pretty surprised at my REs answer, too, based on what my friend is doing, but I guess every clinic has their own stance. I'm just hoping our fresh cycle is a .
persimmon / 1483 posts
@Hopingforbaby: I did one fresh and one frozen cycle and very luckily, both were successful, resulting in my two daughters. We didn't PGD - it was recommended for our frozen cycle but we paid for everything out of pocket, so opted against it, particularly because we had one successful fresh cycle behind us. If our first FET had failed, we may have done it for the next cycle. My clinic is NYU.
grapefruit / 4045 posts
@SweetiePie: Thanks for commenting! My RE recommends that I transfer two. I'm still very much undecided. I'm getting very tired of continually injecting hormones into my system. So now that's factoring into my decision. I won't know the grading of my embryos until closer to the FET so it will probably be a game time decision. I only have two frozen so I'm just so torn.
nectarine / 2648 posts
Just wanted to stop by and say what an interesting thread this is - even if it's 2.5 years old.
We are awaiting the results of PGS on our 9 frozen embryos. On our first round of IVF (age 38, single transfer, ) they recommended we transfer only one. We hadn't yet done PGS though, so they gave us a 30% chance of success, and fortunately we were in that minority. Since then, we conceived naturally (age 39) but underwent an emotionally painful TFMR for T21. This time, we'll do a FET with PGS tested embryos, and again they are recommending only a single transfer, but this time giving us a 70% chance of success, despite me now being 40. I imagine since the embryo will be tested, the chromosomal variables contributing commonly to loss are much less likely.
I had entertained the idea of transferring 2 on our initial fresh cycle 2 years ago but am so glad I didn't. I ended up getting sick with severe pre-E and HELLP, and delivered a premie at 32 weeks. We most certainly would have lost one or both if it had been a twin pregnancy - I'm sure of it.
Despite occasionally wanting to do impulsive things, I've learned to trust and listen to our RE. So far he's been right 100% of the time.
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