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@keepcalmcarrie: my son clearly reacted to one of them. But we did dtap (casein) and pnuemonia (soy protein) at the same time and I didn't know at the time. So I am splitting those up for my daughter. But she hasn't been diagnosed MSPI because she has never had an opportunity to react as I have been off dairy and soy since third trimester.

Definitely not a state I'd want to live in.

@MamaG: that was my thought too. I grew up in CA and remember the vouchers being a big deal but I'm not sure where it stands now.

Love this! Go California!!!

@birdofafeather: Can I ask why you chose not to get the polio vaccine?

@ShootingStar: we've just delayed it. she's received vaccines at every doctor's appt she's gone to (except when she had an ear infection and ped delayed) and i wanted to watch for any reactions because i have read the side effects of vaccines and as a parent, i am concerned with the sheer number and frequency. i wanted to do the ones that were more likely to be an issue first and as polio has been eradicated in the western US for many years, it went to the bottom of the list. same with chicken pox. it's a disease that every one i know growing up had and one i didn't feel was needed at her age. we'll reassess as she's older if she doesn't get the disease, but that's a decision that should be made by me, DH and her doctor, not by the government.

I am 100% pro-vaccine (or more so public health initiatives), but I'm also a little conflicted about this. I think that most vaccine excemptions are done out of a lack of scientific I understanding. And al you had to do was check a box to get a personal exemption for school. I think that should be a lot stricter, but I feel a little uncomfortable about being told what to do. My biggest connection would be to abortion, totally separate issue, but I can't fathom being told what to do to my own body. This is different but has some similarities. I wonder if they couldn't have done a larger public health campaign first. But I am not sad that vulnerable kids will be more protected from this point on.

The problem with the current situation is that even if the state has a 92% rate, there were pockets at less than 50% which makes the spread of some really scary diseases way too easy.

The current vaccine schedule is outrageous and our children are getting more and more vaccines and too many at one time! Parents need to research the ingredients of what their putting in their babies bodies!
Don't you wonder why so many kids today have such severe food allergies, eczema, asthma and the list goes on!!! The ingredients in the vaccines have not been tested at the current schedule. The vaccine makers are not liable for any adverse reactions your child may have, so why would they strive to make vaccines safer?..

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I am pro-vax and vaccinate my children, but not a huge fan of this law.

I find it amazing that so many people (parents, especially) are singing California's praises from the hilltops, but how many of those parents are fully vaxed? Everyone speaks of the danger and risk it poses on others when you don't fully vax your children (which is legitimate), but how many of those who are so adamantly pro-vaccine are fully vaxed with the HiB, PCV (Prevnar), DTap, Rotavirus, Hep B, MMR, Polio, and Chickenpox vaccines? Since some of these are relatively new since we were children, the answer is likely, "not very many." To me it seems like a strange double standard. I'll admit, I've never received the PCV vaccine, nor have I ever been asked or offered to get it.

While they're at it they might as well impose a law that states adults can not attend their place of employment unless they are fully vaccinated according to the CDC's schedule. I wouldn't be happy to live in California right now.

Go Cali. Anytime I can prevent my child from getting a horrible disease, I will. I'm not surprised that the list of vaccinations is larger than it was 30 years ago. Science.

@jh524: Not vaccinating your child is still letting them be a “science experiment” – just the other direction. It’s also part of the “experiment” in herd immunity and communication of diseases. Maybe that’s a risk you feel comfortable taking, while others don’t, just as you don’t feel comfortable with the risk of vax side effects, while others do. It doesn’t mean you’ve removed risk for your child, you’ve just selected a different set of risks for them.

I am so proud of my adopted state! People who are anti-vax often talk about their choices and how this law takes their choices away, however, the children that do not have choice are those with cancer and organ transplants who cannot receive live virus vaccinations despite the fact that the diseases that these vaccines prevent can kill them. This law helps to protect them

I love this! So glad this passed, and I hope similar measures are passed in other states.

The law doesn't exist in a vacuum. A new law is always, at best, a stab in a certain direction. Because sometimes you need to ride public momentum to get someplace on an issue. A law is constantly amended and tinkered with as it is put into use. In this case, I guarantee the medical exemption will evolve to work with people with specific medical conditions or circumstances.

@brownie: I totally see what you're saying, but as a fellow mama of two with MSPI (actually, my first had a milk protein allergy and an intolerance to soy, so the dairy reaction was more severe) I would rather deal with the hassle of getting a ped who will give you a medical exemption, if it meant ensuring that most of the state's childhood population is vaccinated. Especially since your children on a delayed vaccine schedule would be more susceptible to contracting measles, pertussis, etc from children in daycares or schools who have no reason to put off or turn down vaccines other than their parents' beliefs.

Again, I support the rights of parents to refuse vaccines for their own children based on their own personal beliefs. But if that puts other kids at risk (and it does, because herd immunity) then you exercise your right to that by homeschooling. I think that's fair.

@birdofafeather: @Rainbow Sprinkles: I'm with both of you. We are also pro vax but are on more of a delayed schedule- we didn't want our LO getting 4 shots in 1 visit so we did one per month. She is mostly caught up, but doesn't have the second polio vax or chick pox. I find it crazy that she would be considered unvaccinated too and would be denied an education. Just bc we didn't want to give our newborn a million shots at once!

I'm happy for kids of responsible parents. I'm sad for kids of devout anti-vaxxers who won't get a good public education because it isn't their fault their parents made that choice. And I wonder if we are dooming those kids to a very narrow world view because they'll be so stuck in their tiny anti-vaxxing community. I don't really have a better solution though.

@Foodnerd81: that is interensting! I always imagined Christian Scientists as well as Scientologists (as most celebrity anti vaxxers are Scientologists) are anti vaxx. DH and I talked about it tonight and both were kind like, "well I'm glad people will have to vaccinate for school"

@rainbowsprinkles: I'm fully up to date and just recently got some of my boosters. All adults should ask their doctors about it, and you are right, we all should be fully immunized. Also some childhood vaccines give you lifelong immunity, while other diseases mainly affect children and children don't have the immunity to fight off certain diseases as well as adults. It's ridiculous to compare an office or professional environment to a kindergarten class room for many reasons, the most obvious being public vs private. The other comparing the behavior of children to that of adults.

@novbaby1112: we don't give newborns a million shots at once. And we are not even talking about infants here. We're talking about public school, so kindergarten at age 5. If you are only 2 shots behind schedule, why would this be a problem?

@JH524: Let's compare the vaccine schedule from 1908 to the present one. Oh right, there have been advances in science, public health, research and development and public funding for new and better vaccines that you conveniently disregard. How is a vaccine schedule from when we were kids even relevant to today? And if advances in public health help to develop even more vaccines in the future, will you disregard those as too many? Further, you cite the increased prevalence of asthma, food allergies and eczema. Could it be our completely ravaged food supply system and abysmal diets, lack of oversight over the chemicals in our water, use of plastics and other endocrine disrupters in everything we eat and touch, less safe water and poorer air quality and other environmental and dietary issues? Other factors? Nah, let's just blame vaccines. I would trade asthma for polio any day.