...what were the symptoms?
nectarine / 2262 posts
Terrible intractable reflux, not responsive to meds. Like going to the ER for choking and not breathing.
Also, explosive horrible poops from day one - like shot across the room. Very quickly, the poops got bloody and FULL of mucus. Not a little mucus - it was like the whole diaper was like strings of bubblegum. No seedy poop. And the poop smelled HORRIBLE - like super acidic and sometimes vinegary. (not the usual BF poop smell, which is pretty inoffensive)
And my son was inconsolable. Never slept, day or night. After I would nurse him, he would cry for 2-3 hours. He was also very congested all the time.
I eliminated dairy when he was a week old on the recommendation of his pediatrician. At 1 month old, his pediatric GI recommended I eliminate soy and then all top 8 allergens. His diapers also tested positive for blood.
Dairy was for sure the thing that affected him the most, but unfortunately it was just the beginning for us. I had to eliminate a lot. When he was 3 months old, we went to a party at Thanksgiving and I ate a piece of turkey that I thought was safe but had been basted with butter. That Thanksgiving weekend that followed was pure hell - he was vomiting and screaming nonstop.
I'm 34 wks pregnant with #2 and I've already eliminated dairy and soy in preparation for this baby.
persimmon / 1129 posts
@CatchAFallingStar: My 3 month old has this. He had blood in his dirty diapers around 6 weeks old. And mucous, although I honestly wouldn’t have registered that as a problem if it wasn’t for the spots of blood. And every single diaper was dirty. Never just a wet diaper. He was not particularly gassy, fussy, or anything.
The diapers returned to normal within a day of cutting out all dairy.
cherry / 235 posts
Screaming, reflux, blood and mucus poops, eczema, wheezing, aspiration, refused to nurse, clenched fists 24/7. It got so bad we switched to formula. She's only 18w and we're still trying to figure out what's wrong. She's on an elemental formula, "medical food," called Neocate.
pear / 1718 posts
pomegranate / 3895 posts
Very visible blood in her diapers. Her poop was the normal yellow seedy but was also super mucousy. I desperately wanted to believe it wasn’t a dairy allergy, but it got to a pretty undeniable point. She wasnt fussy at all, which made it hard to believe she had a problem without the diapers.
nectarine / 2806 posts
My daughter has green, mucousy poops. She’s had them for the last 4 days. The nurse said she suspects a milk allergy and that I should cut out dairy and soy. We have her 2-month well check tomorrow, so I’ll be asking the pediatrician then. I feel like it’s s little drastic to change my diet without any other symptoms.. but maybe not?
I had to cut dairy and soy out with my first daughter and it was so hard! Of course, I’d do anything for my babies, but I just want to make sure it’s necessary. You know?
pomegranate / 3350 posts
Mucusy and sometimes really green poops. And kind of like it just leaked out, always a dirty diaper. Sometimes noticeable blood. Couldn't sleep due to horrible gas. Spitting up a lot. Eventually refusing to nurse.
All 3 of mine had variations of those symptoms and definitely worse after I consumed dairy.
clementine / 935 posts
Lots of poopy diapers, green, mucousy poop, occasionally bits of blood in the diaper.
Do you all think cutting back instead of totally eliminating dairy would help at all?
Follow-up question. What’s a good alternative to dairy/soy for cereal and coffee?
cantaloupe / 6131 posts
@CatchAFallingStar: there’s dairy sensitivity and then there’s dairy allergy. If it’s a sensitivity, cutting back might help but if it’s an allergy, it won’t.
Nondairy creamers - if you want sweetened my husband drinks the Silk almond creamers. If you want unsweetened, I like Nutpods. Nondairy milk for cereal, DH likes light almond milk - unsweetened is too bland for him and the regular one is too sweet. The light or hint of honey ones that are around 45 calories is just right (says he). I like unsweetened nut milks and currently my fave is Milkadamia. Ice cream, coconut bliss is pretty good IMHO.
pomegranate / 3113 posts
I liked Good Karma flax milk for cereal when I was nursing DD. I just got used to taking my coffee black because none of the alternative milks I tried ever really worked. But I did enjoy the occasional vanilla almond milk latte, so that could be worth a try in regular coffee too.
@CatchAFallingStar: Love Silk Nutmilk + Protein for cereal and coffee. The red one is very lightly sweetened and my favorite. The vanilla and chocolate make for yummy coffee treats. The key with coffee is to put the milk in first and slowly pour in coffee so it doesn't curdle. Personally I find almond creamer disgustingly sweet. I don't love Ripple milk either although it is another popular option.
@catchafallingstar dairy free/soy free seems so daunting at first, but it isn't that bad once you get used to it and used to reading labels. The hardest thing (for me) is I can't really eat out or grab takeout (everything has soy). But I was df/sf for 16 months with my first and I've been df/sf for about a month so far again for baby 2.
Best alternatives/products I like:
- Almond milk for cereal, cooking, etc
- creamer: I like almond creamer. Coffee Mate just started making an almond milk creamer that is really good (but kind of sweet)
- bread: look at sprouted bread/natural bread for soy free (most grocery store bread has soy). Aldi makes some that is cheap.
- Peanut butter: I believe Skippy is soy free (double check the label) - I eat a lot of PBJ on safe bread.
- Fruity/gummy candy: a lot is safe, i.e. skittles, fruit snacks, etc. Also fruity popsicles (check ingredients)
- Enjoy Life brand allergy chocolate and snacks: it is more expensive, but my grocery store carries it. I keep a bag of the chocolate chips in the pantry for a chocolate fix.
- Earth Balance buttery spread (the soy free kind - red top or light green top). Tastes just like real butter, I use it in oatmeal, on toast, cooking, etc.
- I grill a bunch of chicken breasts, burgers, etc. and keep in the freezer for meals. Easy sides are steam bags of rice (trader joe's), sweet potatoes w/earth balance and brown sugar, veggies w/olive oil, etc.
Also most "fresh baked" bakery breads and bagels are soy/dairy free because they don't have the preservatives. Obviously check ingredients. Plain, blueberry bagels are DF/SF at Panera and so is their sourdough bread. Chipotle is a DF/SF place to eat (check ingredients - obviously omitting cheese and sour cream).
I use So Delicious coconut milk creamer. I love it.
Cutting back wouldn't have worked for my LO, but you never know. If I was going to try cutting back I would fully eliminate then slowly add back.
other helpful food products I thought of -
Smart Balance makes a soy free mayo that is good for sandwiches, making egg salad or chicken salad, etc.
Amy's makes a cheese-free pizza that is also soy free. You can add some pepperoni or crumbled sausage to the top. It is SO GOOD.
Almond milk yogurt is very yummy (although a little pricey) if you are craving something like yogurt.
Avocado/guac is a great substitute for cheese on sandwiches, etc.
pear / 1521 posts
@MrsADS: So many great suggestions! Avocado is like my BFF right now, I'm eating a lot of avocado toast and love it in mexican food as a sort of cheese replacement.
I'm dealing with this now for the second time as well - @CatchAFallingStar: I'm thinking if your first LO had this issue than it's likely to be the issue again this time. We also don't have a lot of symptoms besides the poop - mucousy poops, sometimes green, and despite cutting dairy and soy for weeks now I have seen a few specks of blood the past few days. So now cutting out soy oils/lecithin which are supposed to be ok. We've gone out to eat a few times so I'm guessing that was also a culprit even though I tried to order dairy/soy free!
For dairy replacement in my coffee, I use unsweetened vanilla almond milk, I actually never went back to regular milk after my first LO.
pomelo / 5509 posts
DD had an intolerance, not an allergy. She had reflux, bad eczema, and mucousy poop that sometimes contained visible blood. Her intolerance lasted until at least 6 months (tried reintroducing then, but she had a bad reaction), but she started having dairy at 12 months with no issues.
I used unsweetened vanilla almond milk in my cereal, oatmeal, and coffee. When I wanted more of a creamer for coffee, I did some of the So Delicious flavored creamers. I used Earth Balance spread in place of butter (I actually think that stuff is delicious!) For yogurt, I liked Kite Hill almond milk yogurt best, although Forager makes a cashew milk yogurt that's really delicious, but $$$.
We did discover I could have goat's milk products without issue, so I did a lot of goat cheese and I also found this really good goat cheese cream cheese at Trader Joe's. As a PP mentioned, a lot of fresh baked breads and bagels don't contain dairy, so I'd spread the cream cheese on bagels, mmm.
cantaloupe / 6017 posts
@CatchAFallingStar: if weird poop is the only symptoms, every doctor I've spoken with says its unnecessary to change your diet. Colic or seeming to be in pain, weight loss, or other symptoms would be more important symptoms to look for. Poop is just poop. Both my kids had green, mucous poops at various points and I was never advised to change my diet, as it was the only symptom (my son had reflux, but was treated for that successfully with medication)
@Silva: Agreed. My ped told me that they often recommend eliminating dairy when parents comment on color, texture, etc of poop because they know parents need to feel like they are doing something. The whole "can't really hurt" mentale. She said there is probably a whole host of moms out there that are probably restricting their diets without need.
ETA: We took a diaper in that we saw visible blood in and got it tested to confirm. With the confirmation of blood it was seriously very easy to get motivated to eliminate dairy. I told my husband if I couldn't go all in that we needed to do formula because I wasn't going to continue to feed her knowing that my diet was hurting her.
@LBee: yes, this. its unfortunate. I know they are in a hard spot because parents want to feel like they are doing something, but it seems like such poor advice to give to women who already a. blame themselves for everything that goes wrong with their kid, b. have no time to feed themselves, and c. likely have at least some history of disordered body image/eating (given that most women seem to!!)
@Silva: she’s also always congested, but I’m not sure if it’s related or not.. so hard to tell
@CatchAFallingStar: If it actually makes you feel better to do something, then it doesn't hurt to try. Even if its just placebo effect, you feeling better is worth something. But full dairy elimination is a serious undertaking, so if it was me I'd try to read some research, and speak to the doctor at length before altering my diet. As some people have mentioned, they observed improvements just by reducing dairy, so you could go that route but a true dairy allergy would require full and cautious elimination.
Congestion is pretty common when babies are little in my experience. I was totally uninterested in changing my diet, I have celiac disease and its already hard enough to find convenient things to eat without also eliminating dairy. I obviously would have if my kid had a true allergy.
@LBee: Yep, I was the same way. I only eliminated dairy after the blood appeared in the diaper. In hindsight I do kind of wish I'd done it sooner because her eczema was awful, but oh well.
If it had just been green or mucousy poop I doubt I'd have restricted anything.
clementine / 873 posts
My son had/has a dairy allergy. The first signs were his absolutely terrifying projectile vomit of any formula. Ugh. I wished we had leather couches back then....
At 6 months, when we were introducing solids, he had terrible gastro issues after rice cereal (which has milk in it) and the clinching factor for me was when he broke out in hives all over his face when we tried frozen yogurt. No more dairy after that. We got him skin allergy tested at 11 months to have a doctor's note for daycare.
I never had a problem with eating dairy myself though. I practically lived off of yogurt and pizza and he never reacted negatively to my breastmilk. He was sensitive enough that if my husband had cereal and gave him a kiss a few minutes later, he'd have a nice little section of hives
He also had several gastro viruses his first year that I combed through my brain trying to think if he'd had milk and couldn't come up with anything.
On the plus side, we've managed just fine with soy milk/yogurt/cheese and he was just tested and is in fact growing out of the allergy!
Pediatrician said it’s definitely a milk protein intolerance. I have to cut it. Ugh!
Milk protein intolerance is different than an allergy and the good news is they usually outgrow it pretty quickly. I think average is around a year. Actual milk has been the biggest challenge for us, which is why I am so happy that Silk has included pea protein in their Nutmilk. My youngest is still sensitive to cheese so we haven't introduced milk yet so it really does help.
I think you got some great suggestions on products. Try to avoid processed foods whenever possible. And yes, the Earths Best butter in the red tub is so good. I definitely kept buying it long after I needed to.
@CatchAFallingStar: Ugh bummer! My son has a milk protein intolerance but seems fine on soy. His ped had me cut just dairy first to see if that solved the problem. If it hadn’t, she would have had me cut soy. I’ve found I can’t have any milk protein at all. Some people seem to be ok with a little. I did a trial run of butter on a piece of toast last week and his diapers were bad like 6 hours later.
Here are some random things that have helped me:
-Oreos are dairy free!
-Earth Balance margarine
-Reading labels on bread, crackers, etc. A lot of them are dairy free.
-Q Doba and Chipotle are easy places to eat out
-Coffeemate makes almond milk coffee creamer that is pretty good!
Update! I started cutting out dairy right after the pediatrician appointment on Friday afternoon. It’s now Sunday morning and her poop is already back to brown/yellow! I am surprised to see results so quickly.
@MrsADS: wow! Thank you so much for all of this wonderful info.
@My Only Sunshine: thank you for all the info!! Yay Oreos!
Thank you, everyone, for the suggestions on dairy free options. Keep ‘em coming!
@CatchAFallingStar: I would probably alert your doctor it has cleared up. Milk takes 2 weeks to get out of your system and 2-4 weeks to get out of baby’s. My daughter’s didn’t clear up for 3 weeks after elimination. I can’t link a study on it on my phone, but if it cleared up that fast I’d be considering other items in my diet that had a shorter half life.
@LBee: she said it can vary from a day to 3-4 weeks .. but yes, I’ll ask again
nectarine / 2243 posts
@LBee: yep this totally. His led actually said the same thing as far as the likelihood of a lot of moms needlessly restricting dairy. He looked at me and said “if I told my wife she had to give up cheese and dairy without sufficient evidence she’d kill me”
@Littlebit7: I found this study most interesting (on phone so just screen shotted). The nutritional implications is why it was so important to me to have her diaper tested, etc. Our ped is also going to refer us to an allergist after her 9 month appointment.
It’s back to green, I guess that one time was just a fluke.
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