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@CakeLady: Yikes, we went through that with our son and it was tough!!

How long are naps during the day?

E used to do 4am for a bit and i would just get her up for the day. bad idea! She eventually started sleeping more when 4am became a very very boring time.

@CakeLady: so 12 hours a day or so a day? Wondering if he sleeping more than that (or less) before sleep training...

@CakeLady: We are stuck in this place right now...early riser plus overtired plus daylight savings time....it's awful

Every article I read about baby sleep says that short naps and waking early are classic signs of an overtired baby. May be worth looking into. It is definitely our problem over here.

Sending hugs because truly, this sucks

@CakeLady: If he's sleeping the same total as he did before night training, then it's good that he's not sleeping less than before! Maybe nap training could extend his total sleep?

Another thought: I heard that 4 am is a classic wakeup time because sleep cycles tend to be around 4 hours, and that's the end of the second sleep cycle. Is he able to self-soothe and get himself back to sleep these days? Our son used to rub his sleeves to soothe himself back to sleep. Once he was able to control his hands enough to do that, he was able to self-soothe and get himself back to sleep when he woke up at 4 am!

@CakeLady: look up under-tired/overtired loop. At 6 months, he MIGHT do better with more awake time??? Who knows, these babies are all so different, but at 6 months I was so tired on all the short naps that I just decided to put baby on a 2-3-4 schedule with a later bedtime. Naps have lengthened considerably and he wakes at a decent hour most days. Now if we could eliminate some MOTN wakeups, it would be great.

@CakeLady: I don't have advice but you have my sympathy. My LOs naps and sleep were very similar. Hopefully you didn't name your kid something that means dawn/sunrise - I think that was part of my problem.

LO finally grew out of the 4am wakeups a few months ago. I tried for months to solve it but the situation only seemed better when I gave into it and tried to find some positives in it (sunrise, getting to eat two breakfasts, no wait at 24 hour diners). I hope you find a solution quickly.

@CakeLady: oh okay. I'm so sorry, which I know doesn't help! But it could just be that he's not a sleepy baby, like you said. If he's not acting overtired/cranky, he might just have a lower sleep need. My daughter has never slept near the recommended amount, but she's generally happy and doesn't seem bothered by it, so I'm just trying to embrace it, even though it means I am getting less sleep too! Like everything else, hopefully this is just a phase, and one that passes quickly!

@kes18: @CakeLady: i would second the idea of leaving him until he gets really upset! i don't go in for her unless she's upset at a time like that. sometimes she talks to herself for a bit and then falls back on her own.