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TTC After Loss Part II

  1. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @mrskansas: I'm so sorry the emotional beat down is so intense. A new RE might have some ideas if you decide you want to try again. The second RE I worked with (due to unexplained losses) tried some different things ... a different kind of test to look at uterus internally, a biopsy to check for low grade infection or issues in the tissue. He treated me with strong antibiotics for a potential problem. In the end he suggested ivf with testing which honestly would only have been affordable because we lived in MA and had mandatory coverage. But in the end, I got pregnant (with my 2yo) the month we moved anyway. There was another bee around the same time though who also got treated for some low grade infection (something with no symptoms you would never have noticed) and she did get pregnant. So there are a few options other than just throwing iui and drugs at it. But not pushing that at all ... I know it may make sense to just step back too! Hugs

  2. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @periwinklebee: thanks! and congrats on your (yeah I'm totally a thread stalker )

  3. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    I also knew someone who had repeat chemicals and she thinks it was related to a symptomless infection that could be easily treated with a dose of antibiotics. Bodies are so complex, and I feel like a large majority of doctors basically will apply the cookie cutter solution - whatever fixes the most common problem - and not go beyond that.

  4. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @bhbee: Thank you I'm so, so relieved that everything came back normal. I know that there's always a risk of things going wrong, but I feel like now I can actually start to let myself believe that this is probably going to happen.

  5. PeaceLily

    apricot / 360 posts

    @mrskansas: I'm so sorry you've been going through this and have experienced so many losses. It's so hard to feel hopeful month after month.

    I'm feeling pretty defeated as well and just want to give up. It's been 7 months since my loss and I'm still not pregnant. On top of ttc again I've also been dealing with what I thought were recurrent UTIs since Feb (I've had 3 in 5 months), but now we aren't sure if that's what it is since a urine culture when I had awful symptoms and white blood cells in my urine came back negative with no bacteria. I've been taking antibiotics almost monthly and cant help but think these infections are ruining our chance every month. My next stop will be a urologist if this happens again.

    I also went to my OB yesterday and she said she wouldn't start any testing until I've been trying for a year. She's not concerned that we've been trying for 6 months since our loss and said to just keep going. There's no way I can wait until it's been a year though so I've started researching RE's and will probably make an appt for next month. It's just been so depressing and I hate that there is no end in sight. I'm going to try to keep my mind off ttc this month and will probably ditch the OPKs and just hope for the best.

  6. PeaceLily

    apricot / 360 posts

    @periwinklebee: Congrats! So happy to hear that everything came back normal.

  7. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @PeaceLily: Thank you! I'm really sorry to hear about the recurrent infections - I totally agree that getting to the bottom of this, and looking for an RE, is a good idea. I think doctors often have you wait because problems may correct themselves and the odds of striking out for a half a year or so are not that low (yeah, I confess that I spent a Friday evening simulating the odds that I would get X bad eggs in a row if my eggs were normal for my age). But I think getting things checked out can give peace of mind, and save a lot of heartache if there is a diagnosable issue. Sending lots of and

  8. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    Things are finally settling down after almost 2 weeks on vacation. I'm back at work and really not feeling motivated so I guess that's a great opportunity to come here

    I do know that I will not be returning to the RE. Our insurance rolled over 7/1 which means everything goes back to being out of pocket and I just can't stomach paying thousands of dollars for something that is just a chance.

    I'm on CD 3 so I know I have some time to figure out what we're going to do this month... but I really have no idea what I want anymore.

  9. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @PeaceLily: I'm sorry that you are struggling as well The recurring infections sound so frustrating... I had a really bad UTI in April and keep having symptoms but with no infection so I'm at a loss as well. A urologist sounds like a good idea if it doesn't clear up soon!
    Thinking of you

  10. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @periwinklebee: SO glad everything came back normal! How far along are you now?
    And congrats on the little boy!

  11. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @mrskansas: I think there's nothing wrong with taking your time to figure out what you want next, and using a tiny bit of the money you would have spent on the RE to treat yourself to something relaxing given everything you've been through

    I'm 12 weeks, and so relieved everything so far looks ok...

  12. PeaceLily

    apricot / 360 posts

    @mrskansas: My OB said it's possible I just caught it early or my urine was too diluted for the culture to catch it, so I'm guessing that's what happened. I went to the dr literally 3 hours after I started getting symptoms and I was drinking tons of water. I just hope I don't end up with another one this month.

    I would probably feel the same way as you and would not want to return to the RE. My feelings about ttc change almost daily though.. Sometimes I am all for going to an RE and other days the thought of going makes me panic when I think of all the stress that comes with testing, treatments, scans, etc. If there was a clear sign that something was wrong I would go, but everything seems normal so it's been hard to push myself to make an appointment.

    I can totally relate to not knowing what you want anymore. I want to stop actively trying and just see what happens, but I also want to get pregnant asap, so not really sure what to do.

  13. PeaceLily

    apricot / 360 posts

    @periwinklebee: Wow 12 weeks that went fast! I am so happy for you.

  14. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @PeaceLily: Thank you

    The initial IF testing isn't that costly in terms of time, may be financially, depending on insurance. I haven't done treatments, but I think then it's a different story. My PCP recommended testing after 6 months of careful timing - in part because of my age (close to AMA) but also because she'd personally gone through infertility and knew how emotionally draining it could be. I don't regret seeing the RE, even though in our case I think it was just bad luck initially and nothing the RE could have diagnosed. However, I might feel differently if it had put me out a ton of money, which is obviously a consideration. Thinking of you and sending lots of .

  15. Kemma

    grapefruit / 4291 posts

    Hey ladies, have any of you found that your luteal phase has shortened since your miscarriage? Our loss was in February and my cycles haven't been very regular since and my LP seems to only be about ten days at the moment!

    I had a reasonably short LP of 11-12 days when we were TTC with our oldest six years ago but prior to our loss my cycles were pretty steady and healthy (and we conceived after only 1-2 months with the last two pregnancies) so I'm feeling kind of annoyed that my cycles are a bit off 😠

  16. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @Kemma: not LP specifically but it absolutely changes my cycles. Hormones all over the place and I've been having heavy painful periods which are not normal for me prior to the loss. Hopefully it gets better with time or I think it would also be reasonable to ask your dr about the short cycles.

  17. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @bhbee: Do you remember what infection you were treated for? I've been having uterus pain during sex for the past month or so and have written it off but maybe I need to ask my OB about some testing.

  18. knittylady

    pomegranate / 3212 posts

    @Kemma: yes! I was having 12 day lps and last cycle it was 10... the one before nine.

  19. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @mrskansas: is it weird I have a journal where I can look it up?

    I had an endometrial biopsy done during a hysteroscopy. Apparently they found evidence of chronic endometritis which is usually asymptomatic but can interfere with implantation according to some ivf related studies. I think given your situation that biopsy could be worth doing, but I don't know if a regular ob would do it or not.

    Stumbled on Wikipedia article while looking up spelling, worth a read perhaps https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endometritis

    In the end the treatment didn't help me but in my case I have older crappy eggs apparently. The other bee I mentioned was treated for something similar and got her sticky baby right away after multiple chemicals.

  20. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @mrskansas: One thing to have checked could be ureaplasma, if you haven't already cultured for it. It's a bacterial infection that doesn't respond to many antibiotics. I think it's controversial the extent to which it causes IF, but there's some evidence it can cause repeat chemicals.

  21. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @bhbee: I have about a week's worth of antibiotics at home that according to Google are commonly prescribed to treat uterine infections. I wonder if it would hurt anything to take them as a precaution.

    @periwinklebee: I will ask about that! I was doing some research the other night on recurrent chemicals and came across that so it has been on my mind.

  22. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @mrskansas: I guess it depends what it is - I took a strong antibiotic for 2 weeks and they did not want me to ttc while taking it so I did 2 weeks of bc pills to hold off my cycle (started both on cd1)

  23. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @bhbee: It is Keflex, a broad spectrum antibiotic.
    It's the same one I took when I had a UTI a few months ago and when I mentioned it to the RE they didn't say anything, so maybe it doesn't affect things? I will probably just call and ask to be sure.

  24. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @mrskansas: seems fine then, REs are usually pretty cautious

  25. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    Just found out that I didn't get the FIFTH internal position I applied for. Yes, I have tried five times and failed.
    Can't get pregnant, can't get a promotion.

    FML

  26. knittylady

    pomegranate / 3212 posts

    @mrskansas:

    I can't land an interview. Have been applying to about 2 jobs a week since January. I feel like I'm failing at everything. I'm sorry you're having a similar experience.

  27. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @knittylady: That's exactly how I feel. I am constantly failing and cannot get myself out of this hole.

    I've been applying for jobs outside of my current company and haven't gotten so much as an interview either.

  28. PeaceLily

    apricot / 360 posts

    So I just found out that I have bacterial vaginosis. I've never had any sort of vaginal infection before, but apparently this could keep me from getting pregnant since it messes up the PH balance down there. I am so upset and angry. I thought I've been getting UTIs since Feb, but odds are I've probably had BV this entire time. I can't believe this. Of course google scared the crap out of me since this can lead to pelvic inflammatory disease which can cause infertility and mine has been untreated for months.

    I've been so stressed wondering why I haven't gotten pregnant the last 6 months and am now terrified that this could have caused some permanent damage.

    Does anyone have any experience with this?

  29. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @PeaceLily: I've had it before but it has been quite a while. I am really surprised all the antibiotics for the suspected UTIs didn't take care of it though.

    I would definitely go ahead and make an appointment with a RE and see what their opinion is regarding your situation.

    Hugs

  30. PeaceLily

    apricot / 360 posts

    @mrskansas: I've done some more research and it seems like it's very unlikely for it to cause any damage and I actually didn't realize how common it is. I kind of think I did have a uti but the antibiotics may have caused this since I know they can cause yeast infections. I guess I'll never really know. I at least have a reason now for why I haven't gotten pregnant yet. I hope treating this is all I need. Thankfully I've been taking probiotics these last few weeks so hopefully that helps keep it away after it's cleared.

  31. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @PeaceLily: Yeah it's not serious and is really common. I used to get BV and yeast infections every month before my period and it sucked!

  32. PeaceLily

    apricot / 360 posts

    @mrskansas: Ugh, that must have been awful! I think I may want an ultrasound after treating this to make sure things are ok, but it seems like it should be fine. This is just so frustrating. If they bothered to do a urine culture back in Feb and it came back negative I would have gone to my OB then. They just assumed it was a UTI and so did I.

  33. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @PeaceLily: I'm sorry you've been through this. I hope this fix is it for you!

  34. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    I am feeling like kind of a wreck tonight. Tomorrow is 9dpo so the first day I would really have a chance to see a bfp. I don't think it will be one although clearly I have no idea yet. I just feel such a sense of impending doom, like a devastating loss is just around the corner. I know a bfn is not really so high drama. I guess maybe it's the sense that this could be the end? Or perhaps a preview of how I would feel if I did get a bfp? I really don't know but I feel sick to my stomach. We will be apart most of the next month and no chance to ttc. I really hope I can figure out what's next. I wonder why I put myself through this when I know I could be happy with my two. Anyone else felt this way? I think I need to go listen to sad music or watch something sad to get my feelings out. And then I feel like I'm being dramatic over a miscarriage over three months ago.

  35. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @bhbee: I am so sorry. I know exactly how you feel. I wonder all the time why I torture myself every month when I have a beautiful healthy girl already. I have often felt that sense of dread and I think for me, it is my intuition telling me something is wrong. I have felt that way every single month for the past 10 months.

    I just spent about 30 minutes crying my eyes out. I got a text that our friend who was due a week before me had her baby today. I cannot help but feel extremely sad for myself and it hurts even more that I am still not pregnant and this was my second due date. I feel horrible because I started crying really hard when my daughter was on me and she really tried to cheer me up and I couldn't stop

  36. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @mrskansas: big hugs mama that is such a hard moment to deal with. I was laying down in my son's room trying to get him to sleep and I started sobbing. It's hard to feel like a good parent when all this is happening, even though I know we both still are.

  37. knittylady

    pomegranate / 3212 posts

    @mrskansas: I'm so sorry ❤️ August is my first due date and I'm so dreading it. I can't imagine that paired with a birth.

  38. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @PeaceLily: I'm so glad you discovered this, and I really, really hope it does the trick for you! It's funny, when we first started trying we had a bunch of bfns, and then bam - no problem getting pregnant (though staying pregnant was a different matter). I thought maybe it was just a bad luck with eggs thing, because I know the timing was right, but your post makes me wonder if things like this play a role more often than we might think. The only thing I changed at the time was drinking a bottle of kombucha every morning - I did it because it had a bunch of b vitamins and I was trying to lengthen my luteal phase, but I wonder if the probiotics gave a more favorable environment for implantation. Anyways, I'm blabbing, but I hope this does the trick. If we TTC again, I will definitely be using probiotics from the start.

  39. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @bhbee: Thinking of you I hope this is it - but if you don't get a positive today also know that it's super early still

    @mrskansas: @knittylady: Thinking of you both.

  40. PeaceLily

    apricot / 360 posts

    @periwinklebee: That's really interesting that kombucha could have helped you conceive. B vitamins are so important and I'm sure I'm lacking in at least B12 since I'm a vegetarian. I knew all the antibiotics I was taking for UTIs could have caused something like this, but for some reason I didn't think to take probiotics until a couple weeks ago, ugh. I'm definitely going to stay on them for a long time. I'm scared that this will be an ongoing problem, but at least now I know what I'm dealing with. BV has recently been linked to recurrent UTIs so it makes sense.

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