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  1. Mrs. Lemon-Lime

    wonderful pea / 17279 posts

    @bluestriped bee: a catch-all for it's personal without getting into specifics is "TMI for online consumption." I would be okay with that.

  2. Grace

    cantaloupe / 6730 posts

    II say make a trial unlimited and see how it goes. If it changes the vibe of HB or is abused, reassess. Just because we can imagine how it could be abused doesn't mean it would be.

  3. birdofafeather

    pineapple / 12053 posts

    @mrbee: i had no idea! i feel like it's so rare to see a closed thread, but maybe they're off my radar by that time.

    i think that would be good for the classifieds as i see open threads all the time! but i don't know protocol for when it's actually supposed to be closed? after shipping? (sorry this got off topic!)

  4. MrsStormy

    clementine / 818 posts

    This is a delayed response, but I agree with @Grace:

  5. anonysquire

    cantaloupe / 6923 posts

    I second the people who say too many threads are being closed as it is. And for dumb reasons... We all have our own opinions and if you can't handle different opinions from your own maybe don't come here?

  6. Mrs. Yoyo

    blogger / pomelo / 5400 posts

    Personally not a fan of this. If a thread goes south where people are clearly piling on, beating a dead horse, being mean, etc., I think the current system works just fine and there is a clear rationale for asking for a thread to be closed. But I fear that overly sensitive OPs will close threads when differing positions are presented in a respectful way (95 percent of what I see) and that's not good for the community.

  7. mrsjazz

    coconut / 8234 posts

    This is a community. When does a thread become the community's thread and no longer "owned" by the OP? Like the Miley Cyrus thread yesterday. I thought there was a great conversation going and it was closed because the OP wanted it closed. Obviously the OP had a reason but it was an interesting thread that people took the time to comment on and boom it was shut down. It's almost as if our comments don't matter if they aren't what OP wants.

    So would someone who was interested in continuing the conversation from a closed thread start a new thread?

    I can see if you start a thread looking for advice or regarding a personal issue that the OP could take things personally if comments aren't what they were expecting or if comments are negative. I think this community is normally very respectful even when disagreeing and it bothers me when threads are closed because the OP doesn't like the answers they're receiving (barring any personal attacks, name calling). Sometimes some of the answers & conversations that come up in threads are helpful to people besides the OP.

    Double posts, a post about a topic that already has a thread, classifieds: I get those being closed.

    ETA: I think the OP asked for the Miley thread to be deleted and mrbee closed it but I can still find it when I search for it.

  8. Mrs. Lemon-Lime

    wonderful pea / 17279 posts

    @mrsjazz: agree.

    In the case of the Miley Cyrus thread that was deleted, how about just changing the OP to AnonyBee (like today's blog post)? This way the OP is no longer associated with the thread, but other users can continue the discussion.

  9. immabeetoo

    honeydew / 7687 posts

    I basically agree with everything @mrsjazz said and similarly was looking for the Miley thread because I read parts on my phone and wanted to respond on my computer.

  10. mrs. wagon

    blogger / watermelon / 14218 posts

    I think threads should only be deleted if they are accidental duplicates. If people have a change of heart and want their content or photos deleted, I think the system of having a limited amount per user, requested through the help boards, is a good system. And I think threads should only be closed in extreme situations. If people are getting too heated and posting in a way that's bad for the community, you can always flag their posts and then they're put into moderation. I've seen instances where threads were closed for being veered off topic, and other threads open up for the new topics, which is fine... but then what about the people who find the thread later and want to discuss again?

    I don't like whole threads being deleted because then everyone else's comments on the thread are deleted without their knowledge.

    This is the internet, so everyone should think about what they post before they post it... deleting or closing things should be the exception, not the norm.

    ETA: then again, if you want to start up the discussion again I guess you could just start a new thread. But again, I don't like the idea of all the other users' comments just being blown away forever.

  11. mediagirl

    hostess / wonderful persimmon / 25556 posts

    I like the idea of closing your own threads and this may be difficult to code, but I think you should have to write a comment at the end before closing.So, you could only close a thread when writing a comment in the thread, the check box would be in the "reply" section. Maybe on the other side of where Subscribe is?

  12. BSB

    hostess / wonderful apple seed / 16729 posts

    @anonysquire: Wow, I just have to say, I'm shocked at your response. "if you can't handle different opinions from your own maybe don't come here?"

    Just wow! As I pick my jaw off the ground...

  13. T.H.O.U.

    wonderful clementine / 24134 posts

    @Mrs. Yoyo: @mrsjazz: I agree, I think the current system works well and helps users from abusing the system.

  14. MsLipGloss

    GOLD / pineapple / 12662 posts

    @bluestriped bee: I agree with @Anonysquire (and the pps who stated similar responses albeit slightly more diplomatically). There have been several threads closed lately because (presumably) the OP didn't like the responses and/or was anticipating different responses (I can think of one in particular about finding a receipt for a gun in a farmer's market shopping bag).

  15. kjpugs

    grapefruit / 4862 posts

    I guess I don't go into controversial posts too often since I rarely see posts closed. I had to read all the comments here to distinguish between closed and deleted- I think that needs to be clarified. I think you should be able to delete your own post- or I guess close down the comments on it- but I think limited # (or I prefer having to request it) or else I think it would be abused majorly. I also don't see much of a point for closing a thread. I agree with some PP's that at some point it becomes less the OP's thread and more a community discussion, which is why I like the idea of it going through mr/mrs bee. I would be upset if I was involved in a conversation and the thread got closed because of how the OP felt.

  16. babycanuck

    pomegranate / 3105 posts

    I think the current system works well

  17. Mrs. Pickle

    blogger / wonderful cherry / 21628 posts

    I don't like the idea of closing your own threads. I think the current system works fine.

  18. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    I don't really see anything wrong with the current system of asking to have a thread closed. I have not qualms with people wanting to close threads no matter what the reason. People are welcome to start a new thread to discuss the topic.

  19. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    @bluestriped bee: I'm with you. I don't see any problem with a poster wanting to close a thread if comments aren't going the way they thought, especially if OP is feeling attacked.

  20. BSB

    hostess / wonderful apple seed / 16729 posts

    @MsLipGloss: So all this talk about HB being a great supportive community but yet if you can't take different opinions, you better leave?!? That's the HB community I've grown to love.

    I don't know why those threads were closed and eventually deleted but MrBee does allow us to delete 3 threads. I think that was very accommodating of MrBee to allow deletions.

  21. MsLipGloss

    GOLD / pineapple / 12662 posts

    @bluestriped bee: *sigh* That is the point . . . the OPs requesting threads to be closed because people were posting comments that differed from the OP's opinion/expectation on an issue. We share our differing viewpoints--for the most part--very cordially here. If they can't take the heat . . . . I don't think we need to double-kid-glove-up for anyone.

  22. Mrs. Lemon-Lime

    wonderful pea / 17279 posts

    Toot Toot!

    I posted a great solution IMHO...If an OP would like to close a thread for future comments or delete altogether the user id should be changed to AnonyBee. That user would no longer ve a ssiciated with the post, but v the community can still benefit from the discussion. Call it Ghost Bee Protocol. Boom!

  23. BSB

    hostess / wonderful apple seed / 16729 posts

    @MsLipGloss: Well, as you sigh, I'm shaking my head. You think I'm wrong and I think you're wrong. Guess that's the only thing we can agree on.

  24. mrbee

    admin / wonderful grape / 20724 posts

    @Mrs. Lemon-Lime: Hmm, what about replies... wouldn't those still be around in the comments on that thread?

  25. Mrs. Lemon-Lime

    wonderful pea / 17279 posts

    @mrbee: ok, you stumped me...unless we change how poster replies to the OP are identified. Could you highlight these replies like you have now when the OP replies within the comments section. There would be behind the scenes coding that would allow the highlighted usernames change to AnonyBee. SOL for the instances when users that type the OP username without "correctly" replying.

  26. MamaMoose

    GOLD / squash / 13464 posts

    @bluestriped bee: I have to agree with @MsLipGloss:. Certainly the statement by @anonysquire could have been made in a more diplomatic manner, however, her sentiment is correct. I think one of the best parts of this community is that we are able to maintain a supportive environment in spite of different opinions. If you are unwilling to acknowledge any opinion other than your own I don't think this is a place for you.

  27. mrbee

    admin / wonderful grape / 20724 posts

    @Mrs. Lemon-Lime: I don't mind the extra work of programming a feature like that, but it would be a bummer to do all that work and still end up with a solution with holes in it!

  28. mrsjazz

    coconut / 8234 posts

    @mrskc: I think there's a difference between someone attacking or name-calling OP and posters just disagreeing or offering countering viewpoints than the OP...which from some recent posts that were closed seem to be the latter.

    @bluestriped bee: You're right, it is great that we have the option to delete and an OP can delete whatever thread she wants to. It just seems lately that there have been a few threads closed and/or deleted because the OP just didn't like the responses. How do you build and maintain a community when some members seem to only value commentary that validates or is in agreement with their beliefs? But honestly, this is not that serious, I don't know why I'm so gung-ho about it, whatever mrbee & mrsbee decide is fine because I don't run this place.

    @mrbee: I guess I'm saying we should keep it as is, even though I may not agree with certain policies as they stand. I'm not trying to rock the boat. Maybe if the OP wants a post deleted and you or mrsbee can't get to it right away, than that OP just has to wait!

  29. mrbee

    admin / wonderful grape / 20724 posts

    Thanks for all the feedback! I really liked this idea:

    "If there were the ability to mark off why you want the thread closed without bumping it, it would be great." - Bluestriped Bee

    "I like the idea of closing your own threads and this may be difficult to code, but I think you should have to write a comment at the end before closing." - Mediagirl

    Maybe there could be a pulldown or something? I really like that... like someone said, we in the community get attached to threads and so it feels reasonable that if someone closes a thread, it would be great if they let us know why.

    Plus on a personal level, it might stop people from thinking that I'm closing threads... when it's really our users asking for thread closings!

    As for the current system working well... I thought it worked ok too and it hasn't seemed like too much work! But traveling overseas has made it more clear to me how much work is involved... so if there's a way we could allow you guys to close your own threads (but with safeguards), then that would be wonderful. Definitely something we want to think through though...

    We're about to get on a plane to Manila in a few hours, so we will discuss this stuff en route!

  30. anonysquire

    cantaloupe / 6923 posts

    @MsLipGloss: thanks for getting me and not blowing my comment out of proportion

  31. anonysquire

    cantaloupe / 6923 posts

    @bluestriped bee: this is the Internet... Not your moms house. People are bound to disagree with you. That doesn't make this community any less supportive. The people who ask to have threads closed always seem to come back. I've often seen threads closed here that did not have any snark comments or anything, just differing opinions which I think is wrong. But by all means, if you can't handle different opinions don't post a controversial question!

  32. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    @mrsjazz: I get that. I guess I'm thinking more from the stand point if you post something about your personal life and you're feeling attacked (not necessarily name calling). I don't see what's wrong with wanting the thread closed. I also think sometimes people close threads when things get off topic (maybe the case with the Miley thread? who knows). I've only had one thread closed and maybe it was silly of me to request it, but I felt a lot of anxiety over the thread. I just couldn't take seeing one more comment on it and I felt relieved when it was closed. And now I'm more careful about threads that I start.

  33. mrsjazz

    coconut / 8234 posts

    @mrskc: I do see your point, especially with more personal threads. I guess whoever suggested the possibility of a closing statement with threads would work for the members who are left feeling abruptly shutdown.

  34. Penny Lane

    nectarine / 2163 posts

    @mrbee: I wonder if it would be possible to give a hostess or two the ability to respond to requests to close threads, instead of just you and Mrs. Bee? That way the responsibility isn't all on you two, but there's still another level to go through before a thread can be closed? Just a thought

  35. mrbee

    admin / wonderful grape / 20724 posts

    @Penny Lane: We're holding off on building a moderator program just yet... but that's almost definitely something we'll add over time!

  36. matador84

    papaya / 10560 posts

    I haven't read through pp, but I have mixed feelings on closing threads. I don't think it would be used all that much, but I don't usually HB until after work and I would selfishly be bummed if a whole bunch of threads closed before I could post I guess. BUt, I do think its a nice feature to have if you're "over" a post you started.

  37. sunny

    coconut / 8430 posts

    I totally agree with @mrsjazz: about the thread belonging to the community at some point, vs. belonging to an individual poster. I really do like some of the discussions that happen and it bugs me when threads disappear for no reason... especially when I've contributed to them and I'm interested to hear opinions other than my own.

    I also agree with @Penny Lane: that maybe Hostesses could have the ability to close threads to take the burden off of @mrbee:.

  38. Dapple Grey

    clementine / 780 posts

    Kind of random.. but One of the things I really value about HB is that it is not like wedding bee in terms of the community feel. No offense to the WB, but I got a little put off by the whole hostess/moderator policing, and the blurred lines in terms of their abilities, then preferences and interpretations in regards of the TOS. I don't see HB anywhere near this, but sometimes when these threads pop up I feel an uneasy vibe.

    Anyways, I think its nice to have some adult conversation and having the chance to self regulate. I think its wonderful that we can have the ability to remove sensitive material upon request. Id be down for either option- change or no change, just as long as it doesn't change the community feel!

  39. Boogs

    hostess / papaya / 10540 posts

    I couldn't agree more with @Mrs. High Heels.

    The sheer number of requests for thread closures will be a big job for someone as the site grows, so I'm all for making someone's job easier. At the same time, I don't imagine that this is a feature that would get abused and because of that, I believe the community should be treated as adults who can handle this privilege. I am fully confident in Mr. and Mrs. Bee, and I have no doubt that they would happily reevaluate this topic if it became a problem.

  40. BSB

    hostess / wonderful apple seed / 16729 posts

    @MamaMoose: I can absolutely agree with your statement. I think people can disagree and still be valuable to this site. But rare instances where people can't see other points of view can be very hard for our site.

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