DD2 is basically the worst nurser on earth and I feel we're headed down the slippery slope towards EPing. Tell me that I'm not going to hate every minute of it! I really want to make nursing work but not at the expense of her weight gain.
DD2 is basically the worst nurser on earth and I feel we're headed down the slippery slope towards EPing. Tell me that I'm not going to hate every minute of it! I really want to make nursing work but not at the expense of her weight gain.
cantaloupe / 6885 posts
I started EPing at 2 weeks. BFing didn't work out for us, dd spent a week in the nicu for jaundice/dehydration and the bf/supplement/pump cycle was frankly exhausting. It was either EP or quit altogether so I decided to try EPing.
I have to say that I really enjoyed it!! It was sooooo freeing not to have to worry about how much she was getting, if she was gaining enough, etc etc. It helped that 4/10 mamas in my baby group were EPing so I had lots of support. The first month was tough... It SUCKED feeding her in the MOTN and then pumping afterwards to get my supply up. But around 4-6 weeks she was STTN so I stopped getting up to pump and my supply adjusted fine.
I started off doing 6x a day, and then each month I dropped a pump until I was down to 3x a day at 4 months which was really manageable. I didn't mind supplementing with formula though so I never worried too much about my output. I usually got enough to cover 75% of her feedings and it didn't seem to matter how many pump sessions I did so I stuck with 3 for a while.
By 6 months I finished for good, partially because my supply tanked after the flu and I didn't have the motivation to start power pumping again to boost it up.
Some things that helped me ...
-store your parts in the refrigerator and then you only have to wash 1x per day. I threw everything in the dishwasher at night so it wasn't a lot of work
-let someone else feed baby at times while you pump if you have the help! Dh really enjoyed feeding her!
-get the boon lawn drying rack
-buy extra sets of pump parts and lots and lots of storage bottles
-if you have a PISA the cheap gerber bottles fit on and the dr brown caps fit on those! A lot cheaper than the medela storage bottles
-allow it to be your "me" time...I read magazines while I pumped and it was actually relaxing
-don't stress about output...I had a 10 min pumping max...I knew that if each session was only 10 min it was more doable
-never quit on a bad day (dh gave me this advice when I wanted to throw in the towel during a mastitis bout and I'm glad I listened to him!)
-don't put too much pressure on yourself!
-the Munchkin soother wipes were great for cleaning parts on-the-go when I was in a pinch
Long story short, I enjoyed EPing a lot more than I thought I would and will definitely EP for all future LOs as well, though it probably gets tougher with toddlers around!
Good luck
honeydew / 7917 posts
Great advice above!!
I EP'ed for a year with my first, and I'll be honest. It was a very long year, full of struggles of being a first time parent. Pumping made my life more stressful. Despite how crazy the first year was, I don't regret my decision. I am thankful that my body was able to produce enough milk to nourish my LO for a year. That being said, I don't think I have the strength to do it all over again. I admire those who EP.
hostess / wonderful grape / 20803 posts
Posting Bc I did EP from 6 wks - 4.5 months and have feedback but not time to write an in depth post at the moment.
apricot / 338 posts
All that @Charm54 said. I loved pumping! I think in that I'm a minority it was my zen time. Also DH helped with washing pump parts.
grape / 77 posts
I agree with @Charm54 too. I'm at 14 weeks and dropping to 5 ppd which is pretty manageable. I like that pumping is more flexible and that my husband can feed the baby too. It's also a lot quicker than nursing! I second the Boon lawn drying rack; it is awesome!
grapefruit / 4862 posts
I hated EP and wanted to set fire to my pump. But I had a very specific situation. We paired a horrible nurser (aka, DD) and my very low supply. After we had to start supplementing I struggled through many visits with a LC we hired, and finally we determined EP was best.
My biggest issues were my schedule and my low supply. If I had the same schedule as my DH, it would have been much more do-able. DH works 11 hour shifts, leaving the house around noon and not coming home until after 1am. I work a "nromal" schedule from home. It made it hard to balance all the household things, taking care of DD by myself, AND pumping. Especially when she would need me and I was pumping.Horrible to sit and watch her cry and try to entertain her with a toy while I was finishing. If DH was home, he could be on baby duty while I pumped. But his schedule is the cause of MOST of my issues so hopefully that's just my burdern and not yours
I think my supply was an equal 50/50 frustration. I think if either the schedule or supply was easy it would have made it more doable. I started out getting 1-2 oz a DAY. My max at about 1,.5 months PP was almost 9 oz in a day. Then my in laws came to visit and I went back to work and my supply plummeted. However I will say that I felt pulled in so many directions that I also was finding time to pump less and less. And feeling discouraged hearing how much other people pumped in a session. (My aunt's sister told me she didn't wake up at night to pump, since she got SEVENTEEN OUNCES in the morning anyway. WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. That was like, a week for me.)
That being said, my friend who I call my "Twinner" (whose DD was 12 days older than mine) is still EP at more than 7 months. She also had to supplement too (but just barely) and built up a freezer stash while she was at it (she probably had enough for 90% BM, but fed about 75% breastmilk - daytime, with formula at night - and froze the rest). She too wants to set fire to her pump, but with her schedule and supply it was way more do-able for her.
If you have specific questions I am more than happy to ask them to her for you!!! I think that if the stars align it can be an AMAZING and very do-able option for moms.
grapefruit / 4862 posts
Oh yeah, and like @Charm54: said, I LOVED knowing how much she was getting. It's great to be able to monitor it, let others feed baby, etc. Actually supplementing worked great for us because I could bring formula when out and about (I didn't know how breastmilk-only EP mamas went out for longer periods)
I also felt MUCH free-er when I learned you could store the pump parts in the fridge and not clean after EVERY. SINGLE. Time. omg that was life-changing. Also if my hubs wasn't always working I would have asked him to maybe be in charge of washing the parts at night or something. I think that part of my disdain for the pump was washing all the parts every day.
ALSO- try to get the best pump you can. If you have a good supply especially, because then you know you're in it for a while. I had the Ameda Purely Yours which I felt was purely crap. After about a week or two of arguing I got my insurance to provide a rented hospital grade medela which made a difference. I also had to try a variety of flanges (filanges? I forget the name. The boob cup thing.) until I found the right size. And I used isis for support (SAD that that's gone now) for any nip problems, irritation questions, etc. Definitely utilize HB. It can feel isolating when you have a question and aren't sure where to go, so build up a group of support around you (try to connect with other EP moms via social media!) so you can text each other questions, etc. That is a huge help.
ETA- I ended up EP for 3 months.
grapefruit / 4862 posts
@yin: I feel the same way! Even with just my 3 months. Unless my husband got a 9-5 job I won't be able to do it for #2. It was hard enough entertaining LO while pumping, let alone an older child and baby when we have #2. But I don't regret doing it for a second.
wonderful olive / 19353 posts
I EP the first 6 weeks of DS's life until he was big enough to latch on and nurse. I didn't mind pumping and liked that I knew exactly how much he ate! Cleaning parts wasn't fun but DH did that so yay! lol Plus pumping meant exclusively me time. I can't hold or tend to DS so DH does and I can fully relax the 15-20 minutes while I pump.
eggplant / 11716 posts
I EP. My LO is 10.5 months now...I started off trying to BF and my LO had a series of issues that we just couldn't get solved quick enough--tongue and lip tie, jaw tightness from the birth process that meant she couldn't open her mouth wide enough (we went to therapy for it), and then I have flat nipples on top of that. The pain was so awful right from the get-go that I knew something was wrong and I started pumping immediately in the hospital and feeding with a spoon or bottle, as well as continuing to BF.
At 3 months, the pain was still immense so I gave up BFing totally and went to EP.
I've posted about this a fair amount before, but...I hate EPing. I honestly really, really hate it. Even though I am still doing it. First, I was very protective of my supply (even though I had a good supply) and pumped (edited for accuracy) 8 times a day, then 7 times a day (twice in the night) until she was 3 months and then 6 times (once overnight) until she was 6 months. ETA: It worked and my supply was always good, but the expense was my sleep and therefore, my sanity at times.
She's also a bad sleeper, so I was pumping at night in addition to doing her wakeups and feeding her. During my 5.5 month long mat leave, I *constantly* felt like I was ignoring her because I had to pump. Or I would try to pump when she napped (IF she napped) which meant I never got downtime for myself. Naps? Only took 1 on my entire maternity leave. The rest of the time I was pumping. She would be crying and I would have to try to sing to her (which usually wouldn't help) or make faces and we'd both just be miserable for 25 minutes until I was done. It seemed like she would poop, or get hungry, or get really fussy right as I started to pump--every time!
LO also has MSPI, so then I had to give up dairy and soy and basically change my entire shopping habits/eating habits.
Once I went back to work, I had to give up my lunch break every day to pump in a storage room with no cell service (cinderblock walls) and bad wifi. Then I had to try to squeeze in another pump some other time and was constantly walked in on, paged over the intercom, called, etc. Eventually, I started pumping in the car on the way home--but again, that means I have to give up runnings errands on my way home from work or doing things like drive through banking--I'm just too embarassed.
Once I stopped pumping at night it became *easier* and once as was back at work and didn't have to ignore my child to pump slightly easier again.
I pump now because Neocate is $50 a can and I would rather not pay $450 a month for formula when I can make it for free, even though I hate doing it. She's 10.5 months now, so the end is in sight. I'm down to 4 pumps a day. I supplement with 1 oz Neocate in every bottle now, because that's all the formula she'll take but my supply has dropped.
But looking back and knowing what I know now. I'm not sure I would EP again. It totally depends on you, your child, your supply, how often you are willing to pump. But certaintly I believe that pumping is the hardest and most time-consuming method of all the ways to feed a baby. BFing and exclusively FFing are much easier and take less time. With pumping, you have to do the time to pump, AND wash all the bottles a FF mom would wash, PLUS all the pump parts. Plus you get to worry about supply and what you eat/drink all the time like a BFing mom. You really get the worst of both worlds--it sounds so negative, but it's true!
The positives have been that my husband can feed (but he could do that if I gave formula). But I think in terms of time---the washing of the bottles and parts and the time spend pumping is still probably more than the time DH spends helping to feed LO, so....I don't know if I really count that as a "win".
One other positive is that I know exactly what LO gets. She was never a great eater and at least I know what she's getting. However, in some ways it can make you anal. If she has a day of eating less, you will see it and stress over it, whereas a BFing mom would have no clue if there are fluctuations from day to day.
Anyway, for me..when I have my next LO, my order of preference for feeding will be:
BFing
FFing
EPing
This is not to discourage you. I just want to be realistic!
kiwi / 543 posts
It's do able, I've done it and I'm happy to talk to you about it anytime ... facebook me! I wanna know more about what you've tried and who you've seen - maybe I can help?
apricot / 491 posts
I agree with @Charm54! I began Eping around 3-4 weeks, and overall it's been very good in many aspects. I think for me, the hardest thing has been when I've been alone with DS, and having to try and take care of him while pumping. And losing out on time with people, but other than that, it hasn't been too horrible. DS is now almost 9 months (!!) and I plan on pumping to get him to a year, and I'll hopefully be weaning myself down soon!
blogger / watermelon / 14218 posts
I EPed until LMW turned one and transitioned to cow's milk. I really loved it! I do not mind pumping (gave me an excuse to take a break from it all every few hours) and I would do it again if I had another baby (which I won't!).
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