grapefruit / 4862 posts
@yoursilverlining: it's hard for me because we have to pay substantially more to rent than we would to own. Rent is inflated here. We need 3 bedrooms (I work from home and LO has a PT nanny (with DH other part) so she's here so I can't work in the loud living area. Soooo... Inflated rent for the amount of house we need makes me forever behind the 8 ball. If we could pay what the owner pays to own this house we would be ahead in no time. (We were a lot more ahead pre-baby- nanny is about $600 a month. During that time we paid off medical debt and put away 1,000 in an emergency fund which we still have. All while buying things for baby.) We lived in a house DH owned before so I know home ownership is expensive. But kids are the same way. So are pets. Things come up. Just because I struggle to save doesn't mean I couldn't handle that if I had te right mortgage payment.
hostess / wonderful persimmon / 25556 posts
@kjpugs: on my first house, I didn't put anything down. I paid for my closing costs, though. How did I save closing cost money? Well, I lived with my parents before I moved South and paid the "rent" that they gave back to me to buy the house. Not helpful in your situation, I know.
To save money now, we just pinch where we can and put every little bit extra we have away.
I know very few people irl who put 20% or more down on their first home. Honestly, I probably know 0 people irl who did that.
grapefruit / 4862 posts
@mediagirl: id say half of my friends still live home and/or have no student loans. If I think about how ahead I could be if we got to live rent free for a few months or if we didn't have $800 a month in student loans (and one we just pay interest) I feel sick to my stomach. Just seems like the cards are stacked against us to ever get ahead. (Partly because my pay got cut - long story- but we went from being slightly ahead to somewhat behind) but that's a whooolllle nother post
wonderful clementine / 24134 posts
@kjpugs: $1400 for rent is not bad at all.
With a mortgage you have so much else to factor in like PMI (if you owe more than 80%), insurance, taxes, etc. I think our $900 "mortgage" comes out to about $1300 per month. Add in some random $100 project per month we have to handle (lawn, pest, termite bond, etc) and you've met rent. But in home ownership you also have upgrades, major fixes (ac roof etc) and risk that you can move immediately if needed or will have to sell for a loss.
Those are close to our numbers and it adds up quickly. Basically all of the above is why we want to probably rent if we move south.
GOLD / squash / 13464 posts
@kjpugs: in your example of the $1,400 rent vs $900 mortgage payment everything is SO subjective. The amount of the mortgage payment will depend largely on how much you're able to put down. So maybe if you put down 20% the mortgage payment is $900, but it will be much more than that if you put nothing down. To answer your question about dollar amounts 20% was significantly more than you highest bracket, and we live in a relatively cheap house. As far as saving my husband and I have always lived well below our income levels and saved extensively (we also invest our savings moderately aggressively so that it has grown over time.) We currently save about 50% of our take home income and we are planning to upgrade to larger house so we are really trying to save diligently towards that down payment.
persimmon / 1128 posts
@kjpugs: We put a $50K downpayment on our current/first home which was a combination of savings and gifts. It wasn't 20%, but we avoided PMI because we went with a lender's promotion that covered PMI at 15% and covered closing costs.
{PMI is private mortgage insurance and is usually required by the lender as security in case you default on your loan. You pay it while you're under 20% equity, once you reach that point you can request that it be removed.}
kiwi / 714 posts
This thread makes me feel like I'm doing adulthood wrong. We put 10%, or 14k, down on our house. I can't fathom affording 30k on a down payment!
nectarine / 2272 posts
For what we pay in rent, we could afford a pretty substantial mortgage. But nyc requires 25 percent down which would be well into six figures. It will take us quite awhile to save that much.
GOLD / wonderful apricot / 22646 posts
We put 10% down on our home when we bought in 09. Refinanced a couple years back and now we no longer pay PMI.
We bought a second house last year and put 20% down on that, but the house was 100K cheaper than our home.
Both down payments came from DH who had a substantial savings from his first few years working (he didn't have college loans and lived very frugally in his 20s).
grapefruit / 4862 posts
@T.H.O.U.: I get it. We have lived in a house DH owned. $1400 is a lot for us. I'm going off of sales and mortgage calculators and the fact that Orlando's rental market is super inflated. I do remember from having one that more goes into the mortgage than just that #. Overall though it costs more per month (not including projects) to rent than to buy in Orlando in most cases. We pay $86 a month for lawn care now while renting. We had to buy a washer dryer. So I get it.
Sorry not trying to go off but everyone seems to be trying to "school me" on "you don't know this and that about home ownership" and I DO. I have had to pay to fix a leaky roof or a broken water heater or a broken toilet. I'm aware of those expenses. Just didn't buy the house with DH so I wasn't privy to that process.
persimmon / 1420 posts
We put down 20% ($66,000), but $61,000 of that was loaned to us by my parents, who I am paying back with a miniscule interest rate.
wonderful clementine / 24134 posts
@kjpugs: yea like I said though I think those mortgage calculators give you an idea of the mortgage. But then you have those other things that are added Into your mortgage payment. I just thought I would offer our situation since it sounds close to the numbers you are probably facing (900 mortgage which really means a 1300 payment).
coconut / 8430 posts
We put 20% down. We lived ridiculously frugally for years before we were able to save up enough. For instance, I used a pay as you go cell phone for $100/year for years and years!
I agree that home ownership is expensive. Every year we have at least $1000+ in expenses for this or that. The first year was getting the home ready to live in and buying lawn tools, the next year was maintaining the deck and trees, after that was a new furnace ($5000, ouch!). Sometimes I wish we didn't buy and that we were still renting!
When you put <20% down, you must pay private mortgage insurance which I believe is not deductible. Above your principal and interest payment per month, you will also have property tax, hazard insurance and PMI.
watermelon / 14206 posts
We're paying cash for our house. It's very modest but we are looking forward to not having a mortgage and paying tons of interest.
GOLD / squash / 13464 posts
@kjpugs: sorry. I wasn't trying to talk down to you or anything. It honestly sounded like you were looking for clarification on the home buying process.
GOLD / watermelon / 14076 posts
We put down around 10%. Part of the down payment came from my parents. When we got engaged they said they would give us x amount of money. We had an intimate destination wedding so we were able to put a majority of the money towards a down payment (probably one of the best decisions we've made). Then while I was in law school I got a job over the summer and we saved my entire income from that summer (because we were used to living on one income anyways).
grapefruit / 4988 posts
We put down 15% in a very high cost of living area, so let's just say the downpayment was large and painful. We had been renting in our current town and we actually moved away to a much cheaper town for awhile to save up. We had both just finished grad school and started jobs, but we continued to live with our grad school budget for a couple years. We didn't put much at all into our retirement funds for a year or two. I borrowed a bunch of money from my parents and paid off a large student loan, and started a plan to repay my parents at a lower interest rate. Finally, I cashed out a mutual fund that my parents had started for me when I was young. It took alot, but I'm glad we did all that. Our house would cost much more to rent than what our mortgage is.
wonderful cherry / 21504 posts
@MamaMoose: you said just what I was thinking but couldn't word it so well.
We are putting 20% down in a very expensive area, but we have both been out of school and had jobs for over ten years and are very lucky to not have student loans. While we live in an area with very expensive housing, the premium to rent really isn't that bad, so we never were interested in buying something that we could afford until now. Home ownership just wasn't a big ideal for us- but I know it's different in different parts of the country.
grapefruit / 4663 posts
We've bought 2 houses and sold one. If you want any advice, text me. I've got a spreadsheet we used last time if you want to see it. Also all the extras you pay per payment can be predicted it's not like if you pick a house with a xyz payment and when you get your first bill it'll be double that.
pomelo / 5258 posts
Since you asked $$$, DH and I put down 100k and we were "gifted" the remaining amount to get to 20%. We had been saving for a long time.
pomelo / 5132 posts
We put down 20% (over 60k) on our house, which is 3 bedrooms. I lived with my parents until we were married (I was out of college 2 years when we got married), and I was fortunate enough to have no loans. We tapped out our savings pretty much and DH's parents loaned us some of the money, which we pay back with a little interest. Our mortgage payment is more than what our rent was the 1 year we lived in the city when we first were married.
grapefruit / 4085 posts
We will be putting down 20-25% depending on final purchase price. We put down around 13% on our current co-op and got rid of the PMI this year, which was nice. We will be using a combo of money from the sale, money we've saved specifically for the down payment and a generous gift from my parents.
grapefruit / 4441 posts
For our current house, we put down 20% (80k).
We had both owned homes previously... both those homes were significantly less expensive. (I paid for my first down payment by doing well in the stock market with $ from babysitting/nannying jobs during high school/college, gifts, etc.). I built sweat equity by remodeling the house I bought w/ my parents's help (tore up carpet, refinished old hardwood ourselves, gutted/remodeled kitchen, painted, bf's dad put in central air, etc.). I also had 1-2 roommates at all times who basically paid my mortgage (I paid for insurance, taxes, repairs, remodeling). When I met my husband, I helped him remodel his kitchen, repaint, etc., but he had purchased near the height of the housing bubble and so we broke even on his house. However, his income was much higher than mine and he had saved the majority of each paycheck living as a bachelor.
For both of us, it was important that we were contributing at least 10-20% of our salaries to our 401k's, could pay our mortgage on one income, and had at least 1 year's worth of mortgage payments in liquid savings. We asked the seller to pay closing costs.
ETA: My DH has had unexpected health issues this year which have threatened his ability to work. This makes me really nervous, but I'm at least glad that we at have several safety nets in place in case he were to lose his job. It seems like that would never happen, but you really never know. OP, it sounds you're already planning for the worst case, but just thought I'd share my experience.
wonderful pea / 17279 posts
For several years post college I lived rent free at my mom's house. I didn't have many bills either. I was able to save the equivalent of 20% down plus some. We put 10% down and the rest went to furniture and upgrades. Majority of closing costs were covered by my husband's relocation package. He had about 12-15% of our home purchase price in savings too, but that was spent covering the mortgage and seller expenses for his other house before it was sold about 9-10 months after we purchased our house. He accumulated his savings through company bonuses.
ETA: dollar specifics $35 k, 5k over loan amount, 2k our closing. So at sign time we forked over $42k.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
We did an FHA loan and put down 3.5%. We probably saved for about 3 years to cover that much plus all the closing costs (we opted to put down a lower percentage in order to not drain our savings).
This was definitely the right choice for us. 3 years after that, we refinanced to a 15 year loan with a LOT lower percentage, so we're going to be saving thousands over the life of our loan! And we knew going in that we would eventually refinance when we could!
apricot / 338 posts
@hotchildinthecity: We bought our home with 20% down. I remember seeing some coops have 25% req but not all of them.
eggplant / 11716 posts
I bought a townhouse in Texas before I met DH. FHA loan, only 3% (maybe $6000) down plus closing costs. And I got the $8000 obama tax credit for first time home buyers. It's a rental house now and the rent covers my mortgage.
Our current condo was bought by DH on his own after we got married. We moved to a much more expensive market (NYC area) and he put down 25%, which was a little over $160,000.
I said this in the other thread, but he saved it by living very frugally. He couldn't find a job in his field for a year after graduating college. He worked two jobs--one at 7-11 and one as a janitor. His first "real" job was very low paying for a few years. Then he moved up. As he went up to job chain, he kept living like the guy working at 7-11.
When we met, he was driving an old minivan that his parents didn't want any more. He paid for his graduate degree as he went. And he just saved his money basically, from the age of 23-30. I think before he met me, his philosophy was "Why buy _____ when you can live without it?"
I definitely have more of an urge to consume, but he's been right about a lot of things in regards to having a baby--in the end we didn't but a jumperoo or an exersaucer, or a swing, or a bouncer. We've bought exactly 1 stuffed animal and a few teethers. And our stroller (on sale, not one of the expensive brands). We were given some hand me down toys and we've found that we don't really need anything else.
We buy clothes (never expensive clothes) and diapers/wipes. I think a lot of other people in our income bracket (I'm just saying this based on my real life mom friends) spend quite a bit on baby gear, designer baby clothes, baby photos, baby shoes, birthday parties, big toy gifts, baby classes of all kinds, etc. They are already planning big first birthday parties and get professional photos at 3, 6, 9, and 12 months--new outfits for all of those, several outfits for each holiday that aren't worn when the holiday is over, etc.
We own one car and it's 12 years old. I would LOVE to buy tons of cute stuff for my LO, but I also appreciate my husband's ability to not play "keeping up with the Joneses". I think he's a good influence on me. hah.
However, I do know there are hardworking people all over the US who have no belt to tighten, as someone posted recently. I understand that if a family is living on $1000 a month, that there is no way to save.
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
@kjpugs: To answer your questions:
We saved my entire salary for three years to cover the downpayment (20% was well into the 6 figures for us). As a result, we didn't buy a house until I was 37 years old! I did feel like an exception to the rule as a lot of people on these boards seem to buy younger, but it just wasn't possible before that.
wonderful olive / 19353 posts
1st house - 15% (all me)
2nd house - 15% (profit from selling house #1, and borrowed some from family).
nectarine / 2765 posts
@78h2o: First of all, I hope your DH is doing well. This actually happened to us. A couple years ago, an illness/injury made him unable to work & we're very thankful we purchased a house based on only one income. It's something we never ever thought would happen, but it did.
grapefruit / 4066 posts
@sorrycharlie: i hear ya! we never would have been able to buy a house if we had to put 20% down! that would be like at least $80,000 for houses around here!
We put down 5% on a Mass Housing loan, with no PMI. We could have put down a little bit more, but we wanted to have a nest egg and didn't want to deplete our savings. It made sense to us because we didn't buy a house above our means, and our mortgage+taxes+insurance+etc is well below what rent would be for a 3-4 BR apartment in our area. It is an income property though, so our tenants are paying over half our mortgage.
pear / 1974 posts
We put down just about 10%, on a FHA loan. That was mostly with DH's money he had saved. Closing costs came to about 2% of the purchase price. We are paying about $260/month for PMI I think? Which sucks but this house was a rare find in our little town and we had to jump on it quickly!
honeydew / 7811 posts
@kjpugs: just wanted to say I share your pain/frustration and that this thread (and life circumstances) depressed me so much! We will probably rent a crappy apartment forever!
pomelo / 5524 posts
We have two properties. The first is DH's condo. He put 20% down to purchase which was about $30,000. He was very lucky and lived with his parents who charged him minimal rent in order to save up for the condo over the course of 5 years.
Once we were married, we continued to live in the condo and used DH's paycheck to cover our expenses. We saved all of my paycheck which got us the down payment on our current house. We have an FHA loan on this house, so we put 5% down. We also paid about $60,000 less than what it appraised for since it was owned by a relocation company who wanted to dump it quickly.
clementine / 901 posts
We put 2.5% down(that was an inheritance) with another 1% covered by a state funded grant. Definitely take a look at grants in your state to see if you qualify for anything, as it could really help put this within your reach. I had no idea these things existed until we were talking with our home builder agent, who mentioned it casually. We also built our house/bought new so we wouldn't have to worry about so many hits the first couple years (furnace, roof, appliances etc.) plus our builder paid our closing costs. Might be something to look at in your area.
apricot / 294 posts
We bought in December and put down 25%, mainly to avoid a million dollar mortgage. We are in a very nice area in SoCal. However, we plan to live in this home for at least 25 years, or after the kids (2 yo and soon to be born) are settled and we are ready to retire (we are in our mid thirties).
While the mortgage payment is higher than any rent we paid (even for our former 2 bedroom rental in Manhattan), we definitely need the tax break. The AMT was killing us. We could have bought 3 new cars with the amount we paid due to AMT for the past 4 years.
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