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@winniebee: I'm pretty sure I asked her to drop it off...she didn't live far. I'm not sure what I'd do in your case. Ask to pick it up? She could leave it in her mailbox?
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@winniebee: I like your latest plan. I would tell her via phone she can agree to a time and place to exchange the key for the week's severance (or equivalent pay to the number of days she has actually been present for?)
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Even though we fired our nanny in person, we asked our landlord to change our locks. You can't be sure she hasn't made a copy...
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I think that's a good plan.
Perhaps in the next contract you'll need to write something about only giving severance after the nanny has worked with you a year. If the nanny has been there for 3 mo or less, no severance and between 3 mo-12 mo, some partial amount of the 2 weeks severance.
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I would give her the two weeks of notice and maybe she will volunteer to go earlier since it's only been five days.
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I like your updated plan. I think she's lucky she even got this last wk (sick) paid. Pto is earned on a time in period, no?
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I think you have to pay. But next time around I would include that severance is available only after a probationary period. Although a nanny probably isn't going to take a lawyer to small claims court so you could probably get away with not paying.
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I would just pay her and move on so she has nothing against you. Next time put a probationary period in the contrsct.
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@winniebee: this doesn't solve your immediate problem, but i'd look into changing the locks in your house to keyless entry. You can assign everyone that needs to get in a unique code and then when you don't want them to have access any longer, you simply deactivate the code.
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I like your revised plan. I think it sounds very reasonable. I was a nanny for a long time and the agencies I worked for stressed that the contracts were not binding agreements because domestic help is an "at will" position. I can't say I actually know what that means but maybe it helps you? I guess the idea is more for mediation purposes.
Maybe for for future contacts revise it to say one week severance is earned after a 90 trial period and another after 6 months or a year.
Good luck! I hope it goes smoothly! I am glad that finding a new nanny went well!
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@looch: I can't it's a rental house
@mrsjyw: I didn't pay her this past week for her sick time. She hasn't asked and I didn't bring it up.
I keep going back and forth on how to handle this hourly.
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@winniebee: since you live in a rental, will you let your landlord know someone else has a key to the place in case you don't get it back from her?
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I didn't read all the responses but we had a similar experience with our first nanny. We had a contract and let her go after 1 month for similar issues that you are having. We ended up giving her 1 weeks pay and then, going forward, we now have a 90 day trial period for our nanny and then will offer severance and sick/earn time after that if we keep her on.
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@winniebee: Why not? Save what you currently have, replace them when you leave. I've replaced the barrel with every apartment I've lived in. As long as you replace it to the current state, it shouldn't be an issue.
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@winniebee: please do not fire her over the phone!!!!!! I get freaked out over ppl doing crazy shit and she has a key to your house.
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@looch: @winiebee: I think most lease agreements state the landlord must have a key, though you are likely free to change the barrel as long as you provide a new key. You can always ask your landlord if it's ok if you rekey the lock or put a keypad entry.
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@winniebee: Just because it's a rental doesn't mean you can't request to change the locks with your landlord. You may have to pay for it, but if you feel that your safety is in danger, he has to comply. As long as you give him a key to the new lock, you can certainly change them.
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@sunny: Actually, that's not my experience, but this is not the point of the thread. Our leases have stated that we must provide access to the apartment when given advance notice. We could do that with a providing a key, or just being there when they enter.
@winniebee: do you feel unsafe, or that the safety of your house is compromised?
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I would let her drive into work, ask for the key, then hand her her last paycheck. One week. Unless she brings it up. I was a nanny for years and I can't imagine not showing up for a week. So unacceptable. I worked through morning sickness! When my water broke prematurely and I wasn't going to be at work the next day the mom was one of three people I called on my way to the ER. It's a two way street. You can't expect your employer to be generous and committed to you if you aren't to them.
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I let nanny #1 go this morning, in person. She cried and I felt awful. I was (mostly) honest with her. I told her that when she called out sick all week it put me in a tough spot so I reached out to an old nanny contact and she babysat all week and turned out to be a better fit for our family. That is all true. I left performance issues out of the equation. She said she was glad I had an in person discussion with her.
I paid her 2 weeks severance. I know she had only been with me a few weeks, but I felt it was the fair thing to do because I wrote the contract. An expensive lesson I learned. She asked for a written reference, which I will do.....I guess....
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@winniebee: glad this past! What a tough situation.
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