wonderful clementine / 24134 posts
@Bao: I believe they recommend looking at what the yearly cost is and then "budget" for that amount over 12 months.
For example, we budget about $1,200 car repairs, oil changes, etc every year (I have an older car). So, a simple $100/month is set aside for that and if it isn't used that month, it saves up for the future months.
pomegranate / 3809 posts
@runsyellowlites: I think the point of the savings it's to build money, since Dave Ramsey's next steps include investing and such, but moreso IF something were to happen (needing new tires, etc) you wouldn't have to rely on your CC to pay for them.
That is true, but as long as you are still carrying CC debt, that savings is not truly savings to me. Say it's January and you have 2k CC debt, you put 100 into the CC and 100 into savings. But In Sept, you need to fix something in the house, and use that 900 in savings to do it. Ok, great, you didn't need to put it on the credit card. But the way I see it, if you were to have been putting all 200 into the CC, then in Sept, yes, I have no savings and I'd need to use the CC again for the expenses, but during that entire time, the money has been applied to the CC reducing the interest being charged. You'd end up in almost the same place, but just slightly ahead due to the saved interest.
grapefruit / 4671 posts
@PurplePumps: this. And said so much more eloquently than I could have. I would rather pay off a cc and have to charge it again in an emergency than not pay it off at all to save a bit more while accruing all that interest.
eggplant / 11824 posts
@bao: I’m usually not a fan of taking on new debt to get out of debt; but if your credit cards are up over 8% interest you might look into getting a personal/debt consolidation loan through a local credit union. My credit union offers personal loans for up to $15k at between 4-6% interest (depending on your credit score). If that would be a lot less interest than you are currently paying; that might be worth it to look into.
GOLD / wonderful apricot / 22276 posts
@yoursilverlining: We have excellent credit scores so that wouldn't be an issue. With our tax return though, we could pay off the CC and personal loan, CC is 8% and personal loan is 13%, but that would leave us with a little less for our savings account. We could still do the 1k in savings though, on top of paying off both debts.
grapefruit / 4671 posts
@Bao: seperate from your tax return, can you afford to put anything into your savings every montth? If you can then it might make sense to pay off the cc and personal loan and put $1k into your emergency savings with the tax return. From there, you can decide on an amount you want to put into your emergency fund every month until you have 5K or 10K or whichever amount you feel most comfortable having.
pomegranate / 3809 posts
I agree. I'd definitely wipe out the personal loan and credit card if I could do that with the tax refund. Then focus on building up "true" savings with no high interest loan hanging over your head anymore. Worse case scenario again, you have something unexpected it and need to put it on your credit card again, you're no worse off than if you had that cash in savings and was still carrying a credit card balance. But hopefully that wont happen until you can get that nice savings buffer.
GOLD / wonderful apricot / 22276 posts
@plantains: We aren't able to put much at all away each month (the reason why we don't have anything in there now), but that is because with the CC and personal loan, plus all of life's other expenses it has been tight, with me being a SAHM. However, if we pay off that debt we could pay them both off, PLUS put 3k in savings and have some to repair some necessary issues in the house, but there wouldn't be as much of a down payment on DH's car (he totaled his the other week). But having all those debts paid off and having some to save would be much better...
grapefruit / 4187 posts
Well right around this time last year, my DH was obsessed with overpaying our mortgage every month and putting our cash into different investments. It took a long time and lots of convincing, but I finally got him to agree to save some just as cash. Turns out, it's really good that we did that because a month later we realized we hadn't been witholding enough so not only did we have to pay the IRS 1/2 of our cash savings, we also had to change our witholdings at work so our paychecks were much smaller. If we didnt have that cash I don't know what we would have done, we'd be in big trouble!
So I obviously go by the philosophy that cash is king and it's more important to have a stash of cash than to have your debts paid off. Of course, everyone's situation is different and sometimes debt just has to be paid off quickly, but I think in general this is true.
coconut / 8305 posts
@PurplePumps: If we weren't following the Dave Ramsey plan then I could see the "breaking even" and still having the "savings" BUT acquiring new debt is a pretty big no no for us and since any emergencies would rely on us paying 100% cash (given we had it all) and depleting our savings we would be much more frugal in how we dealt with our emergency as opposed to how things may be if we had the "credit" to deal with it.
Since we don't survive on our cc we will not be adding to the debt we have through them and once paid off they will be cut! (For those that have been relying on their CC to survive Dave Ramsey does suggest weaning off them as opposed to not using them/relying on them immediately)
I think this couples situation give examply to exactly how DH and I would handle a situation that needed emergent funding without acquiring more debt.
http://www.whitneysparks.net/oh-no-our-emergency-fund-has-depleted-what-are-we-going-to-do/
I think it really just depends on what is more important to you... cash or not increasing debt. For us, I know we can build back up and acquire more cash, but trying to pay off debt and KEEP it gone is much harder so being more diligent in that area would take precedence for us.
honeydew / 7667 posts
@runsyellowlites: Knowing that you want to be wise with your money wouldn't you be just as frugal paying with credit? I certainly don't pick more expensive choices just because I'm using credit.
coconut / 8305 posts
@Bao: I really liked it because it give RL example of someone following his plan even though it seems kind of scary & extreme.
@MrsH: You would think, but I believe it's been found that even when using cash vs. debit (cash in bank) one spends more when using their card than when they see/use cash in hand. I actually noticed this just today with buying groceries.... Thankfully I wasn't "too much" over. Using a CC is much "easier" than handing over the last bit of money you know you have in an account.
It may not be like that for everyone but I know it would be for me.
grapefruit / 4671 posts
@runsyellowlites: This used to be the case for me too, but then I started paying my cc balance every 2 days to keep myself accountable. This has been really great for keeping my balance at zero and forcing me to question whether I can really afford things but still racking up rewards etc.
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