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TTC After Loss Part II

  1. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @periwinklebee: I'm so sorry for all the stress. I think there is a good chance your hcg will drop this week on its own and start AF, and have you back to zero before you ovulate so you won't miss ttc. I know that wait feels endless.

    if it doesn't drop yet, I would not be afraid to advocate for yourself and ask to wait a week if that feels right. it's not always easy but you know yourself better than they do.

  2. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @bhbee: Thank you I know I'm stressing about this too much, and that I'm ultimately the one who decides what medical interventions to do and when to have sex. It's actually empowering to remember that, as we have so little control over most of TTC...

    I wish I had not gotten bad news on a Monday morning, I have to work tonight and it's going to be a busy week in general... counting down to the weekend already. I need to plan something that will be a fun distraction from TTC.

  3. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    Ugh to this whole thing. I was feeling more hopeful today as I think my levels are going way down - I even had normal cm for this time in the cycle (with a little spotting still). DH wanted to talk about how I was doing which I appreciate but I am struggling to connect with him because he had no skin in the game emotionally. I get it especially for a 3rd baby, it was very abstract for him, but it kind of gets to me. He asked me what he could do to help and I said be emotionally invested in wanting this baby and trying again so I can look forward. But I know he's not there at all right now. It's not so much that I blame him as it just makes me sad. My cycles can go back to normal but it doesn't matter if we're not on the same page. Just a rant I guess, time for some Netflix to think about something else!

  4. theotherstark

    pomegranate / 3045 posts

    @Academicsocialite: I'm behind on this thread, but so glad it was just a cyst! What a relief.

  5. theotherstark

    pomegranate / 3045 posts

    @periwinklebee: so sorry and to have the added worry and stress about retained tissue on top of the bad news is sucky. Sending hugs

  6. theotherstark

    pomegranate / 3045 posts

    @bhbee: hugs for you, too. It is rough.

  7. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @theotherstark: thank you mostly this experience, while not that bad compared to last time, makes me worried about next time. I feel like the time it took us to conceive and multiple losses point towards bad egg quality and I wonder how many losses, some potentially not this early. we'll have to go through before we catch a good one. Really no alternative though to trying again once this one is dealt with and dealing with the future when it happens.

    @bhbee: I'm sorry, I understand this. There has definitely been points when this whole process has been tough on my relationship with my husband. I just try to keep communicating so he knows my perspective, even if he doesn't share it. I can also see some upsides to one of us being much less upset by the whole process. thinking of you and I'm here to vent to anytime

  8. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    Ugh, I have to make a day trip to NY (from Boston) today for work, and I was so out of it last night that I managed to set my alarm for an hour too late, despite the fact that I've been dreading for a week exactly how early I was going to have to get up. Thankfully my first appointment was cancelled and the later train is on time so far, so hopefully it will be fine, but I honestly feel like between the emotionally and the physically exhausting side of loss, I've been operating with half a brain for awhile. (Hopefully it's practice for operating with half a brain when we finally have kids.) Sometimes i wonder if I'm losing it...

    A senior colleague walked in yesterday right after I saw the bad beta numbers, and I tried to act normally but he told me I sounded dejected. Then he said "it's probably because you are sick as hell of dealing with this stupid problem on this project, me too, hah hah" and found the whole thing hilarious.

    I'm going to work hard on being distracted and thinking of this as little as possible, and hopefully my brain starts to function better...

  9. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @periwinklebee: You just described me for the past 7 months. I have not been all there mentally and it's really starting to take its toll. I think my mental state hit an all time low last week and now things are starting to get better, but I still have my moments.
    No advice, just hugs This sucks.

  10. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @mrskansas: It's so hard. My husband walked in to pee while I was getting ready this morning, and I couldn't help but think how nice it would be to pee and not have to worry about seeing blood, or hope to see blood...I think TTC just takes up mental space in so many little ways, and all the more after loss. And it sucks when it's a longer journey - I haven't learned anything that will make TTC easier or more likely to succeed in the future, it is just a matter of enduring until we finally (I hope, ugh) win the lottery. Thinking of you and I hope you continue to feel better... I think the best time for me is like CD5 through ovulation, when the mental burden feels lighter...

  11. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @periwinklebee: Yes I think I feel the best after my period ends and while I'm waiting for ovulation (which is maybe why I feel ok now...).
    I don't think there is anything to make this easier. We can do things that lift our spirits for a while, but at the end of the day, it's still really tough.

    I hope your period shows up soon and you start feeling better. While I was waiting for my period last week I felt pretty miserable and depressed, honestly. Then over the weekend the fog finally lifted and I felt a little more optimistic.

  12. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @periwinklebee: hugs! I totally agree about the mental capacity thing. The whole process takes up so much mental energy not to mention the physical toll of hormones. Which is why I value these boards in a way dh can't understand ... talking to people who understand it in a way no man probably can.

  13. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    I also love the first half of the cycle! I can't wait for the next one so things can feel back on track.

  14. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @bhbee: This board has been a life saver, especially this month. My husband doesn't want to hear about anything TTC related this cycle so if I didn't have you guys to talk to I would explode!

  15. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @mrskansas: Thanks. AF is now approaching a week late, and I think my body just doesn't like to let go (last pregnancy I bled for 5 weeks and still needed a D&E). I cleaned my menstrual cup really well and put it in so I don't have to think about inspecting the tp every time i pee. Hopefully hcg falls enough by tomorrow to not need an ultrasound... I'm sorry your husband doesn't want to talk about it, but hopefully instead he will provide lots of TTC distractions.

    @bhbee: It makes such a huge difference to have people to talk to who understand The cycle after my D&E was rough, the next one was so much better until the end - now it just needs to hurry up and be over! I can't wait for CD 5-13 to come again, and think my expectations during the TWW will be lower than ever, so hopefully that helps too...

  16. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @knittylady: How are you doing?

  17. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @knittylady: thinking of you...

    Survived a very long day of meetings having to smile and pretend to be happy. Hopefully my pretending was not completely shoddy. Finally on the (long) train back home. Part of me feels completely crushed. The other part of me feels like f it, this whole having kids thing obviously isn't working for us, but there's a giant world out there, surely if I don't have such a single track mind I can find something super-fulfilling to take the place of just wanting to be a mom.

    After my last loss I had to see the genetic counselor. Apparently our pre-conception testing from a little over a year ago was already completely out of date, and they can now test for >200 conditions instead of 60, so I had it redone. I got a voicemail that I tested negative for all the conditions and that I should rest assured that this reduces my risk of future losses. oh well... I assume a very small portion of them are things that we can test for instead of random bad luck. At the same time, it's hard to believe that it's just random bad luck and not some underlying problem...

  18. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @periwinklebee: I understand what you feel about random vs an undetectable issue. I have wondered it often for myself and it can be a heavy weight. But don't give up hope! The path may not be straightforward but there are so many examples on the bee of success after losses. And it's totally ok to obsess and grieve - things are still so fresh. Be kind to yourself, you've been through so much!

  19. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    I just want to be pregnant. My first due date is around 6 weeks away and I really hope I am pregnant before then.
    I've been having a bunch of crazy dreams about taking tests and they are super dark, so it's either the Femara or my body telling me I'm going to get pregnant

  20. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @mrskansas: I hope it will be the real thing!

    I feel sad whenever I see a pic of my sister in law (they are posting vacation pics). She's due one month before I should have been. I know it's luck but it just feels unfair. I guess I better get over it though since we live 45 minutes away.

  21. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @bhbee: It does feel unfair. I've been trying to really focus on all the great things I have been blessed with and just looking at the losses as an unfortunate but necessary step to getting a healthy baby.

  22. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @mrskansas: my mind knows you are right. My heart is not always on the same page

    I do have a lot of blessings. I struggle with SIL at times because she complains constantly about her 2yo and her pregnancy, in a really negative way. She got pregnant with a healthy baby her first cycle and #1 was a surprise. I keep telling myself maybe I'll be pregnant again before hers is born. And then I freak out about the months we may miss for travel reasons. But mostly I try to remind myself that we have been so lucky already to succeed at all!

    (And After writing this it's clear why mental energy is so hard in this!)

  23. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @bhbee: Oh yeah my heart usually is on a different page than my mind, haha.

    I've been feeling pretty calm this cycle but today is CD 8 and I can feel the crazy starting to set in. I desperately want to be pregnant so it's hard to stay zen about all this.

  24. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @bhbee: Thank you I know there are so many stories on here of people who went through multiple losses before having healthy babies, and I really want to be one of those women, but also know that it doesn't happen that way for everyone. I think we don't really see the ones it doesn't work out for here, because they're probably not going to hang around here once it doesn't work. I do know of a couple of distant acquaintances who had multiple losses, then failed ivf with pgd to try to find the few remaining good eggs. I know it's probably just bad luck for me, but there's also a possibility that our luck doesn't turn and this experience makes me think I should start thinking more about what a fulfilling life without kids in the next few years looks like, just in case. Maybe it will make me happier in the meantime anyways.

    Also, agreed that it is super obnoxious when people get pregnant easily and then complain about it non-stop. I know they may need to complain, but they should pick their audience for that carefully. I wouldn't complain about my job to a person who's unemployed.

    @mrskansas: I'm sorry, this just sucks. thinking of you.

  25. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @mrskansas: I have no zen We will be happy to listen to the crazy!

    @periwinklebee: I agree it can't hurt to find other things to focus on!

  26. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    All the blood draws are starting to get pretty tiring, I'm sure many of you have been there. It usually involves seeing pregnant women all around, which is just another reminder that this pregnancy won't get to that point. Worse, it's not in a convenient location. My left arm is now super bruised from taking so many draws, I politely asked the person to take it from my right arm today and she told me "I'll decide which is best" and took it from my left anyways, making the bruise worse. I know these are all really minor things, I think I'm just in a bad mood.

    eta - just found out that it's down to 15, relieved it's falling, hopefully 0 is in sight, though last time at the end it was only falling by 3 per week...

  27. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @periwinklebee: girl, I feel you. I've had my blood drawn over 20 times in the past 6 months, all for failed pregnancies.
    Current bruise making me look like a druggie:



  28. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @periwinklebee: you're not alone, I used to feel so depressed every time I walked to the RE and took the long elevator ride to the top where their office was. And it's so hit or miss whether the healthcare workers will be kind. I really hope you get a lower beta today! when do you hear?

    Just saw your post on 15 yay! With a cp it may fall faster. I hope so! Mine went down quickly last cp after it got off the plateau.

  29. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @mrskansas: I was hot at work and wanted to roll up my sleeves yesterday but then was like, no, I look like a druggie. Ugh... So sorry...

    @bhbee: Thank you - I hope it falls more quickly this time! How are you doing?

  30. knittylady

    pomegranate / 3212 posts

    @mrskansas: @periwinklebee: I'm chugging along. My blood clotting panel came back clear, so the ob is thinking shitty luck. Actually prefer that, but a problem with an easy solution would have been nice for my planner side...

    Had blood drawn for hcg this am. Should hear back by tomorrow. Feeling like I want to try again next cycle and am thinking I'll call OB to ask her more specifically if that's ok... at the same time I'm terrified to be vulnerable again...

    Oof. Some moments are good and full of joy and some moments are so so low.

  31. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @knittylady: thinking of you... I'm really sorry you have to go through all of this. I'm glad there are no blood clotting problems (even if shitty luck stinks in and of itself). Will be thinking of you and hope you get the green light to TTC again next month if you're ready then.

  32. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @knittylady: Being told that you just have bad luck sucks. That's pretty much my "diagnosis" also.
    Eventually luck has to turn right?? Ugh

  33. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @periwinklebee: I'm doing ok. It's on and off. DH had asked a couple times what he can do for me and my real answer is agree to try again asap, but given he doesn't want to hear that, I think my answer today should be to listen to me talk about why and how I want to try again, without getting into a back and forth. Just hear where my head is at and then think about it himself. I'm hoping it helps me to get it out on the table and maybe it will help him frame his own thinking. It's just taking up too much mental space for me.

    I thought my spotting was about done but nope, it's back. Ugh. It's not awful or heavy I'm just over it. Now I'm going to go poas because I can't help myself

  34. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @knittylady: I hope we can both try next month!!

  35. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @bhbee: I hope he listens and you are able to be on the same page. It is so hard...

    I think almost by definition ttc and loss can complicate communication because we experience a loss so differently from men. I got upset last weekend, when in response to my tests not getting darker my husband once again brought up his co-worker who is convinced she had a miscarriage because she was too stressed at work and that when she switched jobs, she could sustain a pregnancy no problem. And he said maybe I just need to relax... he now knows that I am not a fan of that piece of advice in the context of preventing miscarriage...

  36. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @periwinklebee: My husband has said the same thing.
    We were at a wedding about a month after I had my daughter and were talking to a friend who was finally pregnant after trying for SEVEN years. My husband said "Well, I knocked [me] up the first month and she was really relaxed about getting pregnant so it must work..."
    I wanted to kill him. I do not advertise to anyone how easily I got pregnant the first time, especially not to someone who tried for 7 years.

  37. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @mrskansas: I kind of think the idea that being stressed causes infertility or loss comes from a deeply held cultural belief that a woman's place is in the home, and not in the stressful workplace or outside world. And even very forward-thinking men may be influenced by these stereotypes. It really stings when he even suggests that the problem why we've had difficulties may have been because work and everything else makes me too stressed. I am sure I should relax more, but I honestly don't feel that stressed - I've never had ovulation delayed by stress, for example - and even if he's just trying to problem solve, it makes me feel more insecure about whether I did do something to cause this.

  38. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @periwinklebee: Yeah that's what bothers me the most - suggesting that I was so stressed that I caused a miscarriage. I don't even think that's physically possible.

  39. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @mrskansas: no, despite being so, sooo important to us, the viability of a pregnancy is just completely out of our control... I think people always want there to be a reason for something to have happened, something that could be fixed, but life oftentimes doesn't work like that....

  40. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @periwinklebee: Yeah that's the hard part. We control none of this and I'm kind of a control freak, so it's tough.

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