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What do we do now?

  1. agold

    grapefruit / 4045 posts

    People are burning American flags and waiving Mexican flags in Southern California. That's not the best response.

  2. autumnleaves

    pear / 1622 posts

    @daniellemybelle: I am planning to write the President too and thank him and his family. We are fortunate to have had his leadership for 8 years.
    @Mrs. Lion: seriously!
    Hoping Trump is going to be better than we think.

  3. agold

    grapefruit / 4045 posts

    @Mrs. Lion: that's shocking but it doesn't actually appear to be kkk. Picture is misleading, apparently. http://www.snopes.com/klan-marches-celebrate-trump-victory/

  4. Mrs. Lion

    blogger / grapefruit / 4836 posts

    @agold: Oh thank god. Thanks for sharing. I was too distaught to fact check haha. It sure does look like they are wearing hoods...

  5. honeybear

    nectarine / 2085 posts

    @Mama Bird: I agree with you that the US is resilient enough to survive bad leaders. But those examples of the country surviving lousy presidents have an interesting pattern:

    - we had quite a few (quiet) womanizers (Kennedy (D), Clinton (D), et al.--well, maybe not so quiet...),

    - one who decimated the Native population (Jackson (D)),

    - one who dropped two atom bombs on civilian cities (Truman (D)),

    - one who got us into Vietnam (Kennedy and LBJ primarily (D and D)),

    - one who got us into Iraq (Bush (finally found an R!)),

    - and one who tried to "stuff" the Supreme Court with extra judges and put the Japanese in internment camps (FDR (D)).

  6. emilye519

    cherry / 129 posts

    @honeybear one thing to keep in mind is that the ideologies and makeup of the democrat and republican parties have majorly shifted over the past century so that breakdown - although an interesting pattern, I'm not sure it's accurate

  7. agold

    grapefruit / 4045 posts

    @Mrs. Lion: it was so crazy that I had to look at it myself!

  8. honeybear

    nectarine / 2085 posts

    @emilye519: I'm aware of that. Most of those guys are still pretty D by today's standards, though.

  9. Chuckles

    persimmon / 1495 posts

    @mrs green grass: and @madison43: I completely agree that Trump is not nearly as conservative as his horrible rhetoric would suggest. My fear is that since he's a directionless moron, in terms of policy, Pence will step in to bring us back at least 50 years.

  10. MrsF

    honeydew / 7283 posts


  11. codeitall

    clementine / 874 posts

    Honestly, as a moderate who tends to vote conservative, but has major left tendencies, this election surprised me and it shouldn't have. Obviously, I think that we have to consider why Trump won. Is it because of the rhetoric? The dislike for Clinton? The outrage over Obama's legacy? The vaguely Republican policies?

    Personally, I plan on continuing to be informed and active in my local and state government and teaching my children to be kind and respectful. I may not have voted for him, but enough other people did that I need to reevaluate why they did and determine what I can do to address their concerns so they don't feel a need to resort to Trump again in 4 years.

  12. MrsF

    honeydew / 7283 posts

    My four year old daughter cried this morning when I told her (and I was pretty upbeat for her benefit!) I just didn't want her to hear anything in her preschool class. I'm grateful that she's young enough to not really know what Trump stands for.

    I'm feeling like I need a more concrete plan for how to instill kindness and love for our neighbors, diversity, etc in my everyday life with my (young) children. I always try to focus on these things but I'm feeling a new kind of desperation about it today...

  13. petitenoisette

    pear / 1521 posts


  14. meganmp

    persimmon / 1420 posts


    You may write me down in history
    With your bitter, twisted lies,
    You may tread me in the very dirt
    But still, like dust, I'll rise.

    Does my sassiness upset you?
    Why are you beset with gloom?
    'Cause I walk like I've got oil wells
    Pumping in my living room.

    Just like moons and like suns,
    With the certainty of tides,
    Just like hopes springing high,
    Still I'll rise.

    Did you want to see me broken?
    Bowed head and lowered eyes?
    Shoulders falling down like teardrops.
    Weakened by my soulful cries.

    Does my haughtiness offend you?
    Don't you take it awful hard
    'Cause I laugh like I've got gold mines
    Diggin' in my own back yard.

    You may shoot me with your words,
    You may cut me with your eyes,
    You may kill me with your hatefulness,
    But still, like air, I'll rise.

    Does my sexiness upset you?
    Does it come as a surprise
    That I dance like I've got diamonds
    At the meeting of my thighs?

    Out of the huts of history's shame
    I rise
    Up from a past that's rooted in pain
    I rise
    I'm a black ocean, leaping and wide,
    Welling and swelling I bear in the tide.
    Leaving behind nights of terror and fear
    I rise
    Into a daybreak that's wondrously clear
    I rise
    Bringing the gifts that my ancestors gave,
    I am the dream and the hope of the slave.
    I rise
    I rise
    I rise.

    Maya Angelou

  15. mrs.shinerbock

    pomegranate / 3779 posts

    Now, we have to channel this outrage and sadness into sustainable energy where we stay knowledgeable and involved in our politics.

    We need to vote in every election including primaries. (Primaries are especially important in states that typically always vote one party and we need to reclaim elections from the fringe voters who dominate the primary elections.)

    We need to know what legislation is being reviewed and make sure our politicians know where we stand.

    We need to get others to be involved as well.

    And most importantly we need to raise our kids to be kind and thoughtful, to be able to think critically and to be respectful and embrace the differences in our country that make us great.

  16. Mama Bird

    pomegranate / 3127 posts

    @honeybear: oh, interesting! I can't remember the party affiliations of every one of them, so this is very curious for me to see. Though I'm not sure what to make of the pattern! I really don't think of Jackson, for example, as a Democrat in today's sense.

    @mrs.shinerbock: yep! Hopefully that will help some.

  17. Mrsbells

    squash / 13199 posts

    @petitenoisette: With two brown babies I'm disgusted that so many Americans voted for him when the entire world can see how unfit he is. We are the laughing stock of the world. I'm genuinely unclear why even 1 single person would vote for him.

  18. lilybean

    coffee bean / 25 posts

    I am so angry and have trouble even processing this. I shouldn't be surprised. But I am. And so very disappointed.

  19. Mrs. Lemon-Lime

    wonderful pea / 17279 posts

    I didn't like Trump's rhetoric either, but I have a hard time believing that all votes for him were because of his rhetoric. An underlying theme of much of what he said was about the economy and national security, which are very relevant issues for people to vote on.

    I will try to keep in my mind a vote for Trump was not a personal attack. I will also make my voice heard more by weighing in on issues that my elected leaders are tackling.

  20. Jess1483

    nectarine / 2641 posts

    I still haven't fully processed this incredibly disgusting result, but...
    If we're truly asking "what we do now," well, I signed up with a local organization that is helping to coordinate and support refugees settling in my city. I will do everything I can to communicate to them that we are happy to have them here.

  21. erinbaderin

    pomelo / 5573 posts

    @Mrs. Lemon-Lime: Daniel Dale was a Toronto Star reporter who followed the Trump campaign for 18 months (he's getting a lot of publicity right now because he kept an ongoing list of all the false things Trump said at every event). He said today that while he hears a lot of talk about disenfranchised voters and people outside the big cities voting on change and the economy that for him, getting out of the city centres and talking to rural voters made him believe more, not less, that it was about racism. His quote: I'd read the analysis about econ anxiety, then I'd talk to people and hear about imprisoning Muslims, cutting off welfare to lazy blacks.

  22. Mama Bird

    pomegranate / 3127 posts

    @erinbaderin: omg, I know this guy! Small world. Off to read his articles!

  23. Madison43

    persimmon / 1483 posts

    @erinbaderin: Anecdotally, this is true for me. I just had a long, incredibly frustrating conversation with my dad which started out with him talking about how Trump is going to bring all the jobs back and quickly devolved into a rant about keeping Muslims out and ending handouts to welfare queens.

    I just find it incredibly ironic and sad that a large percentage of the people that believe Trump is their savior - blue color, underemployed people like my dad - are the ones that are going to get fucked the most when the jobs don't come back and the government safety nets that they rely on are gone.

  24. travellingbee

    hostess / papaya / 10219 posts

    @honeybear: Don't you think you are cherry-picking history a bit there? There are plenty of problems that have come from the Republic party. Here are some, just to name a few:

    Nixon (R) Watergate
    Reagan(R) Iran Contra scandal
    Republicans who were known philanderers or had affairs: Eisenhower, Harding, Reagan is said to have been quite a ladies man in Hollywood...
    Hoover (R) The Great Depression, The Smoot-Hawly tarrif that sent the world financial markets into a global melt-down....

  25. honeybear

    nectarine / 2085 posts

    @travellingbee: I didn't cherry pick anything. I was responding to Mama Bird's list--please see the prior page.

  26. Mrs. Lemon-Lime

    wonderful pea / 17279 posts

    @erinbaderin: I am not blind to those voters who believe that's what we should do, but I have a feeling many of them weren't going to vote for a Democrat anyway. If anything this is a wake up call for many folks that some of America wants it to be 1962 again. Should we thank or condemn Trump for letting the ones in our inclusive bubble finally see that? There are still plenty of people that are not bigots that align with Republican ideals/ can't stand The Clintons that wanted their party back in power. I think we have come far enough in a society or at least I hope we have that the rhetoric that some people latched onto is not something our elected leaders can ultimately get behind. Christie and Guiliani are already walking back investigating Clinton.

  27. skipra

    pomegranate / 3350 posts

    @erinbaderin: that is horrifying

    I am guessing that with time people will get over it and move on. Right now I'm at the point of wondering when do we call it irreconcilable differences and just give up? But I'm sure that will not happen and soon people will calm down and get on with their lives. At least until the next big election.

  28. Mama Bird

    pomegranate / 3127 posts

    @honeybear: I guess I was the cherry picker! Totally unintentional, I swear, and I'm sure @honeybear: didn't mean to cherry pick either, she just listed the parties on my very incomplete list. How could I forget about Hoover, for example?

    Sorry, didn't mean to thread-jack.

  29. MenagerieMama

    pear / 1547 posts

    Personally, I think I'm going to become a contributing member of the ACLU and either Planned Parenthood or some kind of climate change advocacy related group. I want the groups that need protection or can do the protecting to have the help they need. To be fair it won't be a huge sum, but I also want to be more active in general. I work in healthcare and if the ACA is threatened I will be in DC standing up for the rights for my patients! I work with a very underserved population in a non-medicaid expanded state and have a lot to say about protecting Obamacare.

  30. yoursilverlining

    eggplant / 11824 posts

    @Jess1483: How did you go about finding that group? That sounds like something that I would be interested in in my area as well (I know of 2 Syrian families who have recently resettled through family/friends, but would like to do more than just reach out to them through my family.....)

  31. honeybear

    nectarine / 2085 posts

    @Mrs. Lemon-Lime: I like your approach. I also really liked Obama's speech yesterday, especially when he reminded everyone that "Ultimately, we are all on the same team."

  32. My Only Sunshine

    persimmon / 1129 posts

    I like this article on places to donate to help women, LGBTQ people, immigrants, the earth, etc.:


  33. Jess1483

    nectarine / 2641 posts

    @yoursilverlining: The organization has been in our local news, so I knew what to look for (I did a quick search in case this particular organization is in other cities, but it doesn't look like it.). We actually mostly have Congolese families settling at the moment, and in my really white homogenous city, they're easy to pick out in a crowd, so I've seen them around. I'd been intending to sign up but hadn't gotten around to it. I hope you can find something similar!

  34. yoursilverlining

    eggplant / 11824 posts

    @Jess1483: thanks for letting me know - and me too! We also live in a really, really white state (we had to work/lobby hard to have the KKK remove our state from it's suggested vacation destinations list, ugh, wtf), and we've had a lot of Congolese families resettle as well as families from Somalia over the past 10 years. In the past 5 years of so we've also had some Iraqi families resettle too, and a few have opened the most amazing bakeries/shops which has been such a nice addition to the eating scene, and the community generally! I know they get a shit ton of grief from many in our community (and tons of urban myth assumptions are made about them) so it would be nice to get involved and reach out; especially now...

  35. Jess1483

    nectarine / 2641 posts

    @yoursilverlining: Absolutely. We actually had a huge resettlement of Hmong families in the 80s, which brought some great and interesting culture to the community (I was ages 0-5 in the 80s, so I don't know about any of the resistance.) News reports have sited a ton of opposition to the current resettlement of refugees in general, but the families have reported that no one has been mean to them, which is heartening (although I'm not so naive as to think that it would be the same for a Muslim family.) My city is pretty liberal, so they're probably isolated from some of it. I am excited for more diversity here. The group I'm working to volunteer for also holds educational events about the struggles the families are coming from (not specifically about any family, just why there are Congolese refugees, etc.)

  36. travellingbee

    hostess / papaya / 10219 posts

    @honeybear: @Mama Bird: oh geez sorry. I should read more carefully. Apparently I'm sensitive right now!

  37. Modern Daisy

    grapefruit / 4187 posts

    @codeitall: I am in awe at your comment because it is by far the most mature, rational and intelligent thing I've heard from someone who is anti-trump. I am an educated, affluent working Mom who voted for Trump and for years I've felt like my point of view is completely unrepresented by the mainstream media. There are a lot of people out there like me who are not racists, bigots or sexist and wanted Trump to win just as badly as you all wanted Hillary. I think the reason this was all so shocking is the media's fault. They dismissed us, called us names (like immature children) then proceeded to write articles for each other to read. I absolutely did not have a voice during this election and I only hope the response to all the shock is to finally start listening to the other side.

  38. Freckles

    honeydew / 7444 posts

    Have you guys seen https://twitter.com/ShaunKing? Really hard not to cry.

  39. erinbaderin

    pomelo / 5573 posts

    @Modern Daisy: If you don't want to get into it I understand because it's a fraught subject but if you don't mind, could you explain how you square the fact that you are not a racist, bigot, or misogynist with the fact that your candidate is? Do you think he was exaggerating for media attention? Do you count on the other levels of government to temper him?

  40. Mrs. Lemon-Lime

    wonderful pea / 17279 posts

    @Modern Daisy: I always hear "'mainstream media," but that sounds code to me like CNN and MSNBC for cable channels at least. What about FoxNews? I know it's also cable news, but it seems like it represents everything anti-liberal/ Democratic Party.

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