blogger / wonderful cherry / 21616 posts
@Mae: I know what you mean. I wasn't quite a teenager, and I remember feeling... Confused. I knew it was bad, and sad, but I didn't quite understand how devastating it really was.
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
Is it true that no one has come forward and claimed responsibility?
bananas / 9227 posts
Has anyone heard from @lamariniere: ? I think she has family in Paris.
cantaloupe / 6630 posts
@looch: looks like ISIS had praised the attacks online, but no one had accepted responsibility.
hostess / papaya / 10540 posts
@Mae: I know what you mean, I was scared and in shock, but all these years later you really get it. It makes you sad for your kids to grow up in this kind of world.
papaya / 10570 posts
Its morning here. When I went to bed, the death toll was 30. Now its 120. I'm completely heartbroken this morning. Terrible.
nectarine / 2521 posts
I went to bed early and woke up with a ton of text messages from people asking if DH is okay since he flies to Paris every week. I never thought we would both be grateful that he has training this weekend and is stuck at home.
My heart breaks for the people of Paris and the news reports...the shootings in the theater are truly heartbreaking.
pineapple / 12566 posts
@SugarplumsMom: thanks. I'm ok. My husband's family doesn't live in Paris, but I have a lot of friends who do. I've been frantic to check and I've seen most people are "safe" thanks to Facebook.
Reports say that ISIS/ISIL/IS are claiming responsibility for the attacks. It's just sickening. I'm so sad.
apricot / 343 posts
So sad. It makes me feel for the poor innocents which face similar attacks in war torn countries on a regular basis
cantaloupe / 6059 posts
I knew it would be ISIS or some other Islamic based religious extremist group the second I saw even the most initial reports. It always is. I'm getting sick of it. And I'm feeling very numb to it, sad to say, because it's stopped feeling shocking and much more expected. I've been following the situation with that particular group closely for the past few years and am just so over the terror and the hate and the persecution of so many people at their hands.
Praying for all in Paris today.
GOLD / watermelon / 14076 posts
Anyone know of the best organization(s) to donate money to?
pomelo / 5660 posts
wonderful pea / 17279 posts
The first known American that died was just named. She was CA and studying abroad. She was killed at one of the restaurants.
I feel numb too. @coopsmama: Whether the violence is here on our soil committed by our citizens or abroad committed by terror groups this just all too common now. The new normal is just not a safe place. So tragic.
pomelo / 5866 posts
@MrsSCB: @.TWIST.: @mrs. pen: Thank you so much - yes, thank God she is ok. Her line was tied up today, fast busy signal, which is strange because it's a U.S. number but she Instagrammed that she was shaken but safe.
grapefruit / 4045 posts
Some of the Islamic terrorists who were part of this were amongst the flow of Syrian refugees. Anyone shocked by that?
eggplant / 11824 posts
@agold: I hope no one is surprised that out of more than 1 million refugees, some ISIS members would have infiltrated and snuck in as well. That helps their cause too, because by blaming refugees anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant sentiment grows. Which is what they want, and which is happening.
So far, several of the terrorists were French citizens, though at least 1 (last I heard a few hours ago) was a recent refugee immigrant.
grapefruit / 4045 posts
@yoursilverlining: do you know what the make up is of the refugees? When I saw the dead boy, I imagine it was all sorts of women and children fleeing, but I heard somewhere that the refugees are mostly single, military-eligible aged men. Have you heard anything about that?
pomelo / 5257 posts
@agold: that is a claim politicians were throwing around as a reason to not accept refugees but it is false. Over 50 percent are female and over 50 percent are under 17. http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/stretching-facts-on-syrian-refugees/
Though it doesn't make any difference to me. Young males aren't any less deserving of safety than any other demographic. Where did you see the info about attackers being among the refugees? I hadn't heard that. I know they found a Syrian passport but I haven't heard any details as to how the attackers entered the country.
I think a lot of people are trying to use this as a reason to no longer accept refugees, which I think is disgusting. These terrorists are exactly who refugees have been dealing with for years, while we've hardly done a damn thing about it, and are exactly who the refugees are trying to escape. A lot of the response to this tragedy makes me sad for humanity.
blogger / wonderful cherry / 21616 posts
@MrsSCB: I have seen this argument on facebook just a bit ago and it as well disgusts me. One reason I love America is because of how open it usually is to refugees. Just because someone is Syrian doesn't make them a promoter of ISIS. And if some ISIS members made it here too, I really don't think that it would have stopped them if we hadn't accepted refugees in the first place.
I am hating the entire politicization of the ordeal.
grapefruit / 4418 posts
@agold: seriously?! Just because a refugee is single, male and of military age doesn't mean he's a part of or will become a part of ISIS..
Also, where are you getting your numbers from? Donald Trump?
The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees — which refers refugees for resettlement in other countries — says there are more than 4 million registered Syrian refugees. Its figures on the demographic makeup of refugees is based on available data on the 2.1 million who were registered by the UNHCR in Egypt, Iraq, Jordan and Lebanon. (Another 1.9 million Syrian refugees were registered by the Government of Turkey, and more than 24,000 were registered in North Africa.)
UNHCR’s data show that 50.5 percent of refugees are women. Females age 18 to 59 make up 23.9 percent of the refugees, while males in that age group make up 21.8 percent.
Even younger males — age 12 to 17 — represent 6.5 percent of refugees, while females that age are 6.1 percent. The majority of refugees — 51.1 percent — are under age 17, including 38.5 percent who are younger than 12 years old. These numbers were as of Sept. 6.
pomelo / 5257 posts
@Mrs. Pen: yes, exactly. I completely agree. Let's not further punish people who have already suffered so much.
eggplant / 11824 posts
@Mrs. Pen: @MrsSCB: the immediate politicalization has been disheartening to say the least. Makes my heart hurt how callus so many others are.
grapefruit / 4418 posts
Unrelated to Paris but, this a phenomenal series for anyone interested. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/08/magazine/the-displaced-introduction.html?_r=1&referer=http://m.facebook.com
apricot / 343 posts
@agold: I'm with you and thought the same thing. I'm terrified for the future of our country.
pomegranate / 3643 posts
@Mae: I get what you are saying. I remember being pretty shaken by 9/11 but when you are a teenager it's hard to understand how it fits into life. You don't have enough life experience to understand how anomalous it is (or isn't) or what the fallout will be.
I think becoming a mom adds a lot of gravitas to this too. It is impossible to wonder what if it was your kid.
grapefruit / 4045 posts
@catomd00: Haha. yep, SERIOUSLY! And I've never made such a hasty generalization. Not all refugees are terrorists. But one or two might be. Just sayin'.
http://news.yahoo.com/two-men-linked-paris-attacks-registered-migrants-greece-195255102.html
@jlm22: Thanks, lady. I'm absolutely terrified for our future, too. My husband is attending an NFL game tomorrow and I know he will be fine but I still worry, and if I see a news ticker warning about NFL stadiums tomorrow go across the bottom of my TV screen one more time tonight I'm going to go into a full panic. I'm a worrier. Can't help it. From a military family.
pineapple / 12566 posts
@agold: from what I understand, the numbers of refugees are about 50/50 male/female as @catomd00: stated. I live in a place where refugees are transiting through and there are indeed a lot of young males, that I have seen with my own eyes, but many of them are fleeing so as to escape the military draft (in Syria), in addition to the extreme violence. I also understand that men will often come alone to Europe first, wait to be granted asylum status which in turn grants legal residency and then they are able to apply for family members to join them in the host country, and have them come through legal/safe means for those who can afford it/scrape together the money (by plane with refugee documents) instead of getting on a boat and paying smugglers to bring them in.
I encourage you to read this report on one refugee's escape to Europe to give you an idea of what the vast majority of refugees are going through. The overwhelming majority of refugees have one goal: escape the violence to live a better life. From the article:
“In Greece, someone asked me, ‘Why take the chance?’ I said, ‘In Syria, there’s a hundred-per-cent chance that you’re going to die. If the chance of making it to Europe is even one per cent, then that means there is a one-per-cent chance of your leading an actual life.’ ”
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/26/ten-borders
pomelo / 5257 posts
@lamariniere: you reminded me of a really powerful poem I read a couple months ago that hashtag stuck with me, written by a refugee. Part of it: "you have to understand,
that no one puts their children in a boat
unless the water is safer than the land" I can't even begin to imagine
pineapple / 12566 posts
@MrsSCB: I read that too. It really is such a sad and desperate situation. We firstworlders are so fortunate that we don't have to be scared for our lives and the lives of our children every single day.
grapefruit / 4045 posts
@lamariniere: Thanks I know refugee experience personally through my grandfather (or is that close second hand as opposed to personally?) who fled nasty comunnusim. So I understand refugees and have sympathy for them. It's just such a crazy time with the terrorists now. It's different times, but then again, not really. But I don't have sympathy for draft dodgers. America isn't great because of a bunch of draft dodgers. Sorry. Again, I'm admittedly biased. That's a major tangent. Good night. I'm saying prayers for Paris, America, and all of the terrorists' other targets.
ETA: Israel is first world and I'm sure that there are mothers over there fearing every day for their kids' lives.
persimmon / 1461 posts
"Not all refugees are terrorists. But one or two might be. Just sayin"
Most of your neighbours might be sane people, but one or two might be murderous psychopaths. Just sayin'.
Escalation to war will be imminent for sure The coming days with arrests/identifications are going to be really eye opening.
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
@lamariniere: I think we do need to be scared. Acts of terrorism happened on our soil. Ever since I watched WTC 1 fall to the ground, I have not felt safe. Every time I get in a plane after reading about how security screeners missed high percentages of weapons in carry on bags, I do not feel safe.
And then there are the shootings in schools and theaters. You just never know. That is what makes me sad for humanity.
pineapple / 12566 posts
@looch: oh, I agree. You just never know what could happen. Anyone could wind up in the wrong place at the wrong time. But I think you could argue that our daily lives are much safer, we don't have to be worried about being kidnapped or gunned down when going to the grocery store.
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
@lamariniere: yes, I agree that we don't live in war zones, we do not have to deal with the leaving your home and then coming back to find it reduced to rubble. I can not even begin to understand that.
But I am still scared, every day. Not in a debilitating never leave my house kind of way, but in a look over my shoulder kind of way.
bananas / 9227 posts
@agold: Regarding the refugees - our local news follow the group of refugees walking beside the highway on the way to Sweden - there seems to be a lot of kids. By kids, I mean toddlers with their parents. There was a piece posted a few weeks ago with very moving pictures taken by a photojournalist. The English title is called, "Where the Children Sleep" (warning, very emotional images): http://darbarnensover.aftonbladet.se/
bananas / 9227 posts
But honestly, this is a time for the lives lost in Paris. Yes, @iheartleopardprint: there are people that face this kind of tragedy every day in war torn nations - and it's as horrific as it is there.
grapefruit / 4418 posts
@agold: if a terrorist wants to get into a country, they will figure out a way to do it whether or not the county is accepting refugees or not. Terrorists got into our country and flew our own planes into our own building. They weren't hiding among refugees. It's just silly to believe we shouldn't help refugees because one or two might be a terrorist. I mean, come on!!
apricot / 343 posts
@SugarplumsMom: I don't see it that way at all, but I respect that we all will not agree on an issue such as this.
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