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  1. anbanan15

    grapefruit / 4681 posts

    @coopsmama: I unfortunately have the pleasure of knowing someone I went to K-12 with who is convicted of owning a substantial (understatement) amount of child pornography (to which the media said was categorized in such a way that would put a professional Liberian to shame). As far as we know he never physically touched anyone. He has not been able to find a job and there are limitations to the type of job he can have. He cannot work with the public, work with computers and he cannot go places like the mall. He is also on Megan's law for life. At first nephews could not visit his home if he is there, but then his family had to go specialized class in order to allow supervised visits when children were involved. He was young and his entire life is ruined and while he did spend some time in jail (a lot less than he should have) and receive counseling I do believe this sort of thing will always be a struggle for an individual of this nature and is not something they can fully be cured from.

  2. anbanan15

    grapefruit / 4681 posts

    @mrscobee: I believe it is like many other forms of addiction. While some people may be able to overcome them, they have to work hard to remain free from that temptation. I would hope that for the sake of his loved ones, sisters, wife and children that I am wrong and he truly has been freed from these desires.

  3. mrscobee

    clementine / 903 posts

    @anbanan15: I agree with you.

  4. BlueWolverine

    pear / 1510 posts

    @coopsmama: I don't think someone should immediately lose their job for committing a criminal act. However, Josh's job involved advocating for, supposedly, families. There's a pretty rock solid argument that he is no longer an effective advocate, and thus can't do his job.

  5. Dandelion

    watermelon / 14206 posts

    @mrscobee: any place that works with children would do a background check and when it shows this on record, they would not let him (or anyone with this on record) be near children. They would never give him the chance and risk it. The fact that it wasn't reported makes this invisible and is a risk.

  6. cascademom

    coconut / 8861 posts

    @mrbee: I've heard these rumors for years on gossip sites. The fact that they're true is so sad and explains so much of the recent history of the family.

  7. mrscobee

    clementine / 903 posts

    @Dandelion: I totally agree!! But if he was recognized as a minor at time of offense, would his record have been sealed at 18? That is my only question... I just want to understand the law. Am not trying to imply he should ever be allowed to work around children.

  8. Dandelion

    watermelon / 14206 posts

    @mrscobee: if this was reported appropriately, there would have been court and a judge that would have determined how that would have been handled. I think it differs in each situation.

  9. Torchwood

    pomelo / 5607 posts

  10. Foodnerd81

    wonderful cherry / 21504 posts

    @Torchwood: that is absolutely horrifying.

  11. mrscobee

    clementine / 903 posts

    @Dandelion: I see. I wish it would have been reported appropriately.

  12. mrscobee

    clementine / 903 posts

    @Torchwood: omg!! lunatics!

  13. Torchwood

    pomelo / 5607 posts

    @Foodnerd81: @mrscobee: Yeah. I can't even imagine how those girls must feel/have felt.

  14. LemonLong

    pear / 1698 posts

    Here's the police report from 2006: http://imgur.com/a/zqPMi#0

  15. Mrs. Oatmeal

    blogger / honeydew / 7081 posts

    That abuse chart is horrific. I can't think of one single case where this reflects Christianity. Those poor, poor girls.

  16. yoursilverlining

    eggplant / 11824 posts

    @Torchwood: this isn't surprising, but still such a kick in the gut to think about the "counseling" those poor girls (and thousands of others) receive after abuse. My heart hurts for them.

    the Duggars didnt raise "respectful" kids - they mentally and physically bullied, brainwashed and broke their children's spirits. How many times did those girls have to hear they have no value beyond their use to men before they believed it?

  17. wrkbrk

    pomelo / 5084 posts

    @mrscobee: I especially liked his reason for leaving his job - all of a sudden he doesn't feel like he is in a position to do it well. Surely was though up until this came out on Thursday! You know, even though the abuse happened in 2002!!!! Still - I blame the parents more than him.

  18. wrkbrk

    pomelo / 5084 posts

    @BlueWolverine: not no longer - he never was! He just was planning to keep up this facade as long as he was able!!

  19. anbanan15

    grapefruit / 4681 posts

    I just read they are considering keeping the show and just cutting Josh and his family from it. Honestly I feel the show should be canceled due to the parents involvement and putting their other 18 children at risk. Had it just involved Josh and his parents acted appropriately I could see where removing him and his family from the show could be a valid option, but with the way things played out I'm sorry but the show should end.

    Also I'm a little concerned (curious maybe?) about what his family is going to do. I imagine it will be hard for him to find a job for awhile, if ever. I cannot imagine Anna would be able to get a job that supports a growing family of 6. And will they be moving back to Arkansas?! Which I would think would be traumatic for his sisters if he moved closer to home in the wake of all of this.

  20. artsyfartsy

    cantaloupe / 6692 posts

    @anbanan15: That's what I'm curious about too.

  21. mrscobee

    clementine / 903 posts

    @wrkbrk: True, he was totally fine with his job before people KNEW his secret. Unbelievable!!

  22. birdofafeather

    pineapple / 12053 posts

    I started reading the police report and it's just so sad. I couldn't finish. Those poor girls. I wish this had come out when they could still investigate/prosecute because these girls deserve to be in a home where their interests are cared for. Now I'm just sad for the whole family. I've always given them the benefit of the doubt but covering up sexual abuse in your own family is too much for me.

  23. Foodnerd81

    wonderful cherry / 21504 posts

    I stupidly read one of the posts defending the Duggars, saying "progressives" are the hypocrites, not the Duggars. I had to see their reasoning, but couldn't even finish because it was making me ill.

  24. Rocker2014

    persimmon / 1367 posts

    @mrscobee: Just FYI, I work with juvenile sex offenders, and yes, minors can absolutely be put on the sex offender registry. Individual states manage their own registries, and it is done on a case by case basis so it may be more common in some states than others.

    This story makes me so sad for everyone involved.

  25. MrsSCB

    pomelo / 5257 posts

    @Foodnerd81: I can't believe all the people defending them! I had to stop reading comments, particularly after I read this one: "This was like 10 years ago... They've had lots of counseling and are now on the brink of adulthood. I would please like the families who have had no history of sexual sin to come forward so we can congratulate them." Ummm, WTF?!

  26. littlebug

    honeydew / 7504 posts

    @birdofafeather: Yeah, the police report was tough to read. Ugh. My heart just aches for those poor girls.

  27. anbanan15

    grapefruit / 4681 posts

  28. Torchwood

    pomelo / 5607 posts

    @MrsSCB: That sort of attitude is exactly what I was talking about with how in the most extreme purity culture, all "sexual sin" is basically equal. So they would say that my family having several women who have gotten pregnant when not married is just as bad as this. I just... don't have words for how angry that makes me, and how sorry for the young people growing up in that kind of environment.

    @yoursilverlining: I absolutely agree. That family, and so many like it, is not some shining example of great Christian parenting. It is awful, psychologically abusive, etc. People just don't get that there's so much more going on behind the scenes. Those kids seem happy because they will literally be punished/spanked for having a "bad attitude." (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2014/08/an-open-letter-to-duggar-defenders.html)

  29. Synchronicity

    grapefruit / 4089 posts

    @anbanan15: he is so disgusting.

  30. Torchwood

    pomelo / 5607 posts

    Also, a note to those who are upset that his wife supposedly knew about the abuse before they were married- it is HIGHLY unlikely that he confessed it in terms that actually clued her in that he was referring to molesting children.

    "I want to finish by quoting from Josh Duggar’s description of his courtship with Anna, which included discussion of the years before he met her. I quote it here because it backs up Carmen’s contention that Anna was probably told of Josh’s past “mistakes” in a language that disguised what they really were.

    "As I became a teenage young man I was constantly tempted to have lots of wrong thoughts, and often battled to keep my heart right. One of the greatest things that helped me in my struggles was my parent’s commitment to accountability. They were faithful to talk with each one of their children – if we were willing to share honestly & openly with them – to maintain a clear conscience. I learned quickly that great freedom can be achieved by accountability, and great accountability requires humility & openness. I often had failures in my early teenage years, but found I had a clear conscience only when I was willing to confess my thoughts and temptations quickly to God & my parents. (1 John 1:9)"

    Josh says he was “tempted” to have “wrong thoughts” and that he “had failures” but learned to confess his “thoughts and temptations” to God. There is no hint that these “temptations” involved sexual molestation. Instead, the rhetoric sounds not unlike that of any other young man in a culture that values “purity” and treats any sexual thought as sin."
    - See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2015/05/anna-duggar-and-the-silencing-power-of-forgiveness.html#sthash.72f0Zj4k.dpuf

  31. simplyfelicity

    cantaloupe / 6634 posts


  32. looch

    wonderful pear / 26210 posts

    I thought he was also self employed, selling used cars. I am not sure if his father owns the lots though.

  33. daniellemybelle

    cantaloupe / 6669 posts

    @anbanan15: That would make no sense to me. I hold Josh responsible for his actions BUT I hold Jim Bob & Michelle even MORE responsible for A) not protecting their daughters and B) creating this media circus which I'm sure is very painful for those girls, by seeking fame AFTER all of this happened.

  34. travellingbee

    hostess / papaya / 10219 posts

  35. anbanan15

    grapefruit / 4681 posts

    @daniellemybelle: I agree! They are all responsible here (Josh and his parents). There are 5 daughters that lived in the home at that time

    ETA: I also think it would be wrong of TLC to keep the show when others were dropped for the same/similar things. They didn't just stop filming a few personalities on those shoes like they are considering here.

  36. gracecat

    clementine / 878 posts

    I read that TLC pulled the show

  37. Miss Ariel

    nectarine / 2210 posts

    @gracecat: they've stopped airing old episodes, but haven't made a statement on whether the new season will be airing in the fall yet.

  38. DesertDreams88

    grapefruit / 4361 posts

    I read this today and was taken aback by the insights but it definitely gave me some food for thought.
    http://madworldnews.com/duggar-girls-victimized/

  39. SugarplumsMom

    bananas / 9227 posts

    I'm overseas and had to Google who he is. The info on Wiki shocked me.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19_Kids_and_Counting

  40. AprilFool

    nectarine / 2591 posts

    @DesertDreams88: I disagree with this article on so many levels. While I do feel for the girls and think it is completely unfair they have been named in this ordeal, the article makes it seem like no harm, no foul. No charges were pressed because the Duggars waited too long to come forward not because no one wanted to press them. The girls never got a say in the matter and for the article to make the assumption the girls have forgiven him makes me angry. Just because they look like the happy family on tv doesn't mean they are. I don't think the girls were given much of a choice in the matter, victims of the parents and their brother and it is an awful matter that should not be handled privately within the family, as I feel the article is suggesting, since the family did their best to protect Josh and the girls were just collateral damage.

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