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  1. lawbee11

    GOLD / watermelon / 14076 posts

    Is it just me or did Michelle look to Jim Bob to respond almost like she needed permission to speak? Not surprised that they're playing the victim.

  2. travellingbee

    hostess / papaya / 10219 posts

    Jim Bob said, we talked to other families and they were like, we had something similar happen too. ?????? Really? Is it really common for older siblings to molest younger sisters? Ew!

  3. Mamaof2

    squash / 13208 posts

    @lawbee11: yes I noticed that too

    I only watched 10 mins - they asked a question and they talked around it - never actually answered it - cant stand that!

    Everything was "we were shocked" "he has a god heart" "he was so sorry"

    blah blah blah

    did anyone see the girls being interviewed?

  4. yellowbird

    honeydew / 7303 posts

    @Mamaof2: I think the girls interview is on Friday night

  5. daniellemybelle

    cantaloupe / 6669 posts

    I just watched clips online but it was disheartening that they only really talked about Josh and how they were heartbroken that he had made a bad choice - not that they were heartbroken that their children had been violated. They seemed to think that the offenses were very inconsequential and the girls were not affected.

  6. Truth Bombs

    grapefruit / 4321 posts

    Direct quote from Jim Bob "this was not rape or anything like it". Just as suspected., these girls have been told for years that what happened to them wasn't anything significant worth being upset over.

  7. Mrs. Lemon-Lime

    wonderful pea / 17279 posts

    @travellingbee: based on years watching Oprah I siblings molestation is more common than we'd like to admit. The way adults (parents) respond makes the difference.

    I read excerpts of the interview on Fox News and was dissappointed at how little the parents seemed to understandhuhis actions from the victim's perspective. I was happy to know they were behind it going on record and made Josh go to the police. That probably should have been the first step and not after two more incidents and getting sent away though.

  8. anbanan15

    grapefruit / 4681 posts

    @travellingbee: At the end of the interview she gave some statistics. I forget them all off the top of my head, but it was more common for males to be the attacker between ages 12-14 and something like 85% go on to never have a repeat offense.

    @Mamaof2: Girls interview is Friday. Had I known that I could have skipped that painful hour!

    @lawbee11: Absolutely! The girls do it too when they are in side-by-side interviews with their spouses. Regardless of the topic they often look to them, as if for approval to speak.

  9. travellingbee

    hostess / papaya / 10219 posts

    @Mrs. Lemon-Lime: @anbanan15: I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I doubt it's common enough that you could just talk to a group of friends and have them say, oh yeah me too. The way he said it made it seem like a normal teenage boy exploration.

  10. anbanan15

    grapefruit / 4681 posts

    @travellingbee: did you hear the part where they basically said it was harmless because the girls were asleep and he just briefly touched them over their clothing and had a heavy heart so came to them right away and the girls didn't even know until they asked them about it and actually found out about it from the parents?!

    I personally call bull on the whole interview. Rehearsed and planned what they were going to say. To me Michelle was actually more raw and honest, but Jim Bob...everything out of his mouth was just beyond frustrating. The timeline of what happened and how they handled it did not meet what I read in the police report. And then how they are trying to blame it all being released on someone else because the records were of a minor and illegally released and acting like their family is the victim of an even bigger wrong doing...which this may be true but it does not erase, excuse or downplay what actually did happen and now has become public knowledge.

  11. mrscobee

    clementine / 903 posts

    @anbanan15: I agree about bull on the interview. It seemed hard to even gauge any of the responses b/c they seemed very rehearsed. They seemed naive to the potential effects on the girls (even if they were asleep). I thought the questions asked were decent, but the responses didn't seem to answer the questions or seemed overly rehearsed.

  12. Applesandbananas

    pomegranate / 3845 posts

    @anbanan15: this is what's really frustrating to me about the whole situation, they're being re-victimized now that it's all out in the open. I agree what Josh did was horrible and I doubt they received any counseling, but, I just can't get on board with all the media coverage and speculation. My heart hurts for those girls.

  13. travellingbee

    hostess / papaya / 10219 posts

    @anbanan15: yup. Gross. They really glossed over some of the graphic stuff from the police report. It was definitely BS and I love all the "hard-hitting" journalism here. Tough questions Fox.

  14. travellingbee

    hostess / papaya / 10219 posts

    @mrscobee: really? I didn't think the questions were tough at all but I admittedly didn't finish watching it.

  15. mrscobee

    clementine / 903 posts

    @travellingbee: Well, I didn't necessarily say tough. I thought decent. Of course it wasn't super hard hitting, but I don't think it ever is when an individual cherry picks a network to which to grant an exclusive interview (no matter the network). There weren't enough follow up questions, but that's a common problem in journalism. I guess I thought it could have been worse (Mike Huckabee, a former Fox personality, supported them!!). I did like the question about why do reality TV with these secrets? I also liked that a couple times she tried to steer them back to the girls when they were overly focused on Josh. And she did point out that it wasn't a licensed counselor when they tried to gloss over that.

    In these types of situations I don't think the interviews are ever super hard hitting b/c the interviewee holds all the power. They select the network, make stipulations, and could probably walk off set. I guess all I was trying to say is that I wasn't overly disappointed in the questions, but it doesn't really matter what the questions were when the answers came across as that rehearsed!

  16. Madison43

    persimmon / 1483 posts

    @mrscobee: oh man, I thought the questions were terrible. I didn't want or expect her to get into the details on the abuse, but she didn't ask any real follow up questions. Michelle kept talking about safeguards they put in place after his initial confessions but Megyn never asked what they were, or after they obviously failed, why they didn't take a different course of action. At some point Jim Bob said Josh wasn't a pedophile because pedophiles are 16 and he was only 14 and she had zero reaction. She let all of their statements go unchallenged. I found it extremely frustrating.

  17. mrscobee

    clementine / 903 posts

    @Madison43: Yeah, I hear you on these points - you're right... See my reply above. I guess I was expecting it to be even worse, so I was not overly upset with the quality of the interview. Of course there could have been more follow up questions.

  18. Madison43

    persimmon / 1483 posts

    @mrscobee: we posted at the same time. Yes, I should have managed by own expectations better - I loathe Fox News but somehow had hope that because this is such an important topic (sexual abuse, not the Duggars), that it would be more than a fluff piece.

  19. mrscobee

    clementine / 903 posts

    @Madison43: I hear you. I don't think we are ever going to get what we want to hear out of the Duggars. They obviously have a strange view of the situation and are screwed up in general and are still in "save our show" mode. I think all their answers will forever be generic and I doubt they'd agree to an interview with someone who'd be "tougher". The interview with the girls should be interesting (but I'm assuming they will be operating under strict instructions from their parents, so maybe not)...

  20. Miss Ariel

    nectarine / 2210 posts

    @Madison43: they actually did mention some of the safe guards. But it was things like not letting boys babysit, a boy and girl play by themselves or play hide-and-seek, or let girls sit on the lap if an older brothers. Things that basically tell every other son they can't possibly trusted to have any type of actual relationship with their sisters.

  21. yoursilverlining

    eggplant / 11824 posts

    @Miss Ariel: That’s sad (added to the incredibly long list of sad things associated with Duggar parenting styles, sigh). It also reinforces that boys/girl and by extension men/women can’t just be *friends* either, because neither (especially boys) can’t be trusted to be left alone together. And also that boys and men generally can’t be trusted….except of course the one you marry without really getting to know, who has to be trusted completely as he knows best for everything for you.

  22. daniellemybelle

    cantaloupe / 6669 posts

    @Miss Ariel: Those "safeguards" made me think they just didn't understand - or chose not to see - what was going on here. I think a lot of kids "play doctor" with their siblings, which is what it seemed like they were trying to prevent by saying boys & girls can't play by themselves or play hide & seek. But it's kind of hard to participate in something when you are ASLEEP. This was not a case of kids being unsupervised and getting into trouble, but of their son calculating to take advantage of his sisters.

    It was so odd and discouraging to me that they never once said that they felt worried for their daughters' safety or wellbeing. It almost seemed like they didn't even see any of this for what it was. They saw it as sin, but they didn't see it as abuse or even really negative for the girls at all.

  23. Maysprout

    grapefruit / 4800 posts

    What bizarre liars. They said the girls were asleep and had no idea anything happened. Are they implying their daughters lied when they said they were aware in the police reports.

  24. coopsmama

    cantaloupe / 6059 posts

    @Maysprout: That was very odd to me, too! Super brazen.

  25. anbanan15

    grapefruit / 4681 posts

    @Maysprout: @coopsmama: Exactly! The entire interview I was thinking "well that is not what I read in the police report". Also I love how the "treatment center" he was sent to was referred to as an actual treatment center again during the interview and all these reports, but Michelle said it wasn't in the police report, so obviously someone is telling lies here.

  26. daniellemybelle

    cantaloupe / 6669 posts

    @anbanan15: I really used to like the Duggars, but they fell even further in my eyes watching the interview. Of course they are going to do media training and have talking points, but they were plainly dishonest, either by lying or carefully wording things or not correcting Megyn when she said things that were not true at all, which last time I checked runs completely counter to their belief system. But I guess Michelle's outfit was modest so that's what really matters.

  27. anbanan15

    grapefruit / 4681 posts

    Anyone watching the girls interview? Their comments are almost identical to the parents. A little too similar IMO to not have been rehearsed

  28. Mrs. Jump Rope

    blogger / coconut / 8306 posts

    @anbanan15: I am. I find it infuriating, scripted and full of inconsistencies.

    It makes me feel sick.

  29. yellowbird

    honeydew / 7303 posts

    I just started watching it, so rehearsed! Who says "my parents deciding to get us licensed counseling was great!"

    Just putting the word licensed in there sounds so fake!!

  30. Beth24

    cherry / 223 posts

    @yellowbird: I thought the same thing! They were carefully to say professional counseling and licensed counseling. Seems very fake

  31. turquoisemama

    persimmon / 1481 posts

    @anbanan15: @Mrs. Jump Rope: @yellowbird: @Beth24: I hate how they keep downplaying it saying "mild inappropriate touching". What message does this send to girls who have been touched in the same way?? Oh no big deal, it's just boys being boys! Wtf??

  32. Torchwood

    pomelo / 5607 posts

    This blog post provides some more details about the interview and specifically what was BS about it. The comments are great too. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2015/06/jim-bob-and-michelle-duggars-interview-with-megyn-kelly.html @anbanan15: She also points out that not only was it not a proper treatment center, it was part of an organization headed by a man who was later found to have molested at least 30 girls.

  33. anbanan15

    grapefruit / 4681 posts

    @Torchwood: so basically everyone they went to for "help" has been accused of molestation or child pornography?! Interesting.

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