Bees I need your advice.
I introduced myself a few months ago but promptly went back into lurker mode after TTC was put on the back burner for a while.
Today I found out via ultrasound that my baby has no heartbeat. I should be 10 weeks along. At 7 weeks 2 days this baby had a heartbeat of 170 bpm. I go in for a D&C tomorrow. This is my 4th miscarriage in 12 months. I know DH and I can have healthy children - we have an almost 4 yo DD (a surprise baby). I've had the repeat pregnancy loss blood panel and it came back completely normal. I was on progesterone and baby aspirin throughout this pregnancy. I cut out caffeine, I took my prenatals, I avoided high risk foods, I avoided BPA packaging wherever humanly possible, we didn't have sex, I avoided strenuous activity. I have never smoked, I don't drink and I've never touched drugs. I had autoimmune problems shortly after the birth of my daughter, but the tests for those issues came up negative in the RPL panel. I am 25, my husband is 29. We're healthy, and taking out recent events should not be at increased risk for miscarriage.
So there's the background. I just don't know how to make sense of this! Have any of you gone through this and had a healthy pregnancy afterwards? Do you know anyone in this situation that had success? What treatments were pursued? What underlying problems were discovered? Google cannot help me - every article states "no need to worry, there's nothing wrong with you unless you've had 3 or more back to back MCs". Well guess what google- here I am at 4, and I'm worried! I can't find any information relevant to my situation.
My OB will examine the baby for chromosomal abnormalities but I'm not sure what happens after that. Any information or advice you have would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you for reading x
nectarine / 2600 posts
I'm so sorry :o( I really don't have any advice, as I have no answers for my own losses. Just want to let you know that you're not alone with the things you're feeling.
The only thing I could suggest are to get a 2nd pair of eyes to look at your results. (A 2nd opinion basically.) Have you seen an RE?
Best of luck and I hope you get answers.
wonderful clementine / 24134 posts
I am so sorry. We have had two losses this year but have a little girl already. I am just now starting the blood work panel to do the RPL testing.
I think its a good thing to go ahead and test for chromosomal issues. It sounds like you did everything you possibly could, but maybe just something was not right.
I know there is someone else here who had like 5 m/c that were unexplained and tests showed nothing but did go on to get pregnant. Hang in there although I know how tough it is.
bananas / 9899 posts
I'm so sorry for your losses...
Like PPs, I suggest you get another doctor to get a fresh set of eyes on your case. Are you seeing a RE?
pomelo / 5820 posts
@BluebirdLove: I'm so sorry you're going through this. I had one loss prior to getting pregnant, but my mom had a lot of losses. She got pregnant with me fairly easily, but she had 6 miscarriages after me, including a very large (3 month gestation) ectopic pregnancy. She ended up losing a tube during that D&C. With all of that in mind, my parents eventually conceived my brother. She never received any kind of testing or treatment (in the 80s there wasn't a whole lot that they did for that kind of thing). They basically just told her to keep trying. Hopefully you can see an RE who will be able to give you some insight. If you're already seeing one, a second opinion never hurts.
I'm so sorry for your losses. I can't imagine how difficult that must be. I hope that you're able to get some answers with the chromosomal testing. Hugs to you!
GOLD / pineapple / 12662 posts
I just wanted to say that I am so so sorry for your losses. My heart breaks for you. I would definitely seek out an opinion or two from a RE. ((hugs))
pomegranate / 3275 posts
I don't have any advice, but I just wanted to say I'm so sorry for your loss. My SIL had back to back miscarriages, about 6 or so, and went on to have two healthy pregnancies, but I'm not sure what she did.
GOLD / squash / 13576 posts
@BluebirdLove: I have no advice... Just big hugs!
papaya / 10343 posts
I'm so sorry. I can't imagine how hard that is. I don't really KNOW anything to give any advice… but I do have one anecdote that hopefully gives you a tiny bit of comfort. I had a friend in hs whose mom told me that before she had him she had 4 miscarriages in a row with no known cause and she was convinced she was unable to carry to term. Then she got pregnant with him on pregnancy #5 and everything was just perfect! She got pregnant a few years later with his sister and that went a-ok too.
apricot / 355 posts
I am sorry you are going through this. I have a 2 year old, had two losses this year, blood panel showed no issues, and am now 15 weeks pregnant with what tests show to be a genetically healthy little boy (fingers crossed). I have a friend who has a 5 year old, suffered 4 miscarriages (tests showed no issues) and she now has a three month old healthy baby girl. She felt like the difference maker was acupuncture and I was willing to do anything not to go through another loss. I did accupuncture weekly while TTC and during the first trimester. I also did baby aspirin and progesterone. I will never know why I had the other losses and why this pregnancy appears to be working, but I am glad I did the acupuncture. Your acupuncturist can also help with stress and anxiety which are common feelings when TTC after multiple losses. It would be worthwhile to see an RE, though in my friends case which is quite similar to yours, they said IVF with pregenetic testing was the course of action (she got her sticky baby on her own the next cycle). In my limited research and experience, your problem is treated differently since you have proven you can have a healthy baby. Good luck and keep us posted on your progress.
wonderful olive / 19353 posts
I'm so sorry to hear and that you have to go through this. Hoping you find some answers soon.
wonderful grape / 20453 posts
I'm so sorry you are going through this. Have you had genetic counseling and a panel to check for underlying issues? I had two in a row and my dr sent me in for karyotype and chromosome testing, plus checked a bunch of my blood stuff (hemoglobin and some other stuff I think) and they found a blood clotting disorder that was causing issues. Has your husband been tested? He could be passing something down, too.
And sometimes, honestly, it is just the shittiest luck ever (and i hope it turns around for you!)
grapefruit / 4770 posts
I am so sorry for your losses. I don't have any advice, but hope you get answers soon.
grapefruit / 4311 posts
I don't have any advice, just huge hugs. That's one of the hardest parts of miscarriage - none of it makes sense. You sit there asking yourself, how can this be happening to me, why is this happening to me?
I have only had one m/c, but I'm pregnant for second time this year, and having the same spotting I did with my m/c. Every day I am fearful and anxious.
I just want to tell you how strong you are right now after the year you have had. You are stronger than you feel in the moment. I hope you are able to get answers from your doctor, but even if you don't, you will make it to a better place in the future!
pomegranate / 3759 posts
So sorry for your losses
pomelo / 5228 posts
I'm so sorry for your losses I've had at least 2 myself, and its a rough thing to go through. I agree with others, have another doctor look at your results. Since you know you had autoimmune issues in the past, there is a very good chance they can resurface. I have 3 different conditions in the "gray" area, and have been recently put on Lovenox after Ovulation to help implantation.
GOLD / pomegranate / 3688 posts
I have no advice, but wanted to send you a big (((hug))).
persimmon / 1259 posts
I am so so sorry for your loss. I hope that you are able to find some answers soon. *HUGS*
eggplant / 11408 posts
I am so very sorry for your losses
I had two losses in a row, and after the second, my doctor ordered some blood testing and an HSG to make sure my tubes were clear and "clean everything out," so to speak. I was also put on baby aspirin, progesterone, and ate gluten-free while TTC for this little one. I don't know if any of it helped, but I strongly suspect that the HSG did, as I bled quite a lot after it. I am now 22 weeks.
I'm so sorry that you still don't have any answers. You did everything right, and it's not fair that it keeps happening. I hope that you can find some answers and some peace very soon.
pea / 14 posts
Thank you all for your thoughtful and heartfelt replies. I go in for my D&C in a few hours. If the tests on the baby come back positive for chromosomal abnormalities my husband and I will get testing, however my OB feels it would be unlikely that the issue/s lie there because of our robustly healthy little girl.
I will definitely start acupuncture. I'm also thinking of getting a complete blood panel done to check for anything abnormally high that might be due to environmental exposure (long shot, but why not?). My OB was a bit shell shocked yesterday after the ultrasound. I have a feeling she might refer me to an RE, and I'll ask her about this post procedure. She is super duper experienced so to see her at a loss for words was something.
I don't know how, but I actually feel stronger this time than with the other losses. We're not going to give up, that's for sure.
wonderful clementine / 24134 posts
@BluebirdLove: please push for at least some blood work. I've had a successful LO but my RPL blood is showing something abnormal now (done after two losses).
kiwi / 643 posts
I am so, so sorry for your losses and am thinking about you. It is the worst kind of hell.
We did, in fact, lost 6 pregnancies in the course of 15 months. Two of them were chemical, one was ectopic, and two were carried to 12 and 16 weeks. We also lost a vanishing triplet at 9 weeks but were finally able to carry our twins to near-term (36 weeks.
The D&C's are the worst, I think...you leave with a bottle of Advil, when that's truly the last thing you want. I would really recommend taking whatever time you need to heal, then - when you're physically and emotionally ready to start trying again, make an appointment with a reproductive endocrinologist. In most cases, your insurance will cover all of the "diagnosis" parts of their treatments...if they recommend something like IUI or IVF, though, you're probably on your own. But I liked seeing an RE versus an OB-GYN...they have four additional years of training in infertility and definitely know which tests you need.
honeydew / 7463 posts
@BluebirdLove: Hi lady. So sorry to hear about your struggles.
I've had 2 losses and after the 2nd had the fetal tissue tested after the D&C. Since the baby did in fact have a chromosomal abnormality, we were tested (karyotyping) and found that I carry a balanced translocation between chromosomes 18 and 20.
I know that the doc told you that was unlikely since you already have a healthy LO, but that's not a 100% indicator that nothing is wrong. You honestly could have gotten lucky the first time with a healthy LO and now the odds have been against you.
Obviously I'm playing devils advocate, as it is true that it's unlikely. But fwiw, my docs told me that a translocation was unlikely as well, just because it is pretty rare. But here I sit, 2-3 days from my first IVF retrieval! The good news is that if you have a translocation, IVF with PGD is an option. It's not easy and still not a guarantee, but my odds of a healthy pregnancy without IVF/PGD are something like 5%.
I hope your D&C went well today (as well as it can) and you take the time you need to heal. Praying you find answers!
admin / watermelon / 14210 posts
i'm so so sorry about everything you've been through. we had two miscarriages before charlie and did testing on the second. it did give me peace of mind that it was due to a chromosomal abnormality. i hope you can find some answers as well.
i have heard amazing things about acupuncture. i was seeing a fertility acupuncturist for back pain, and actually ended up getting pregnant with my second while i was seeing her! she has helped many women who had failed ivfs, multiple miscarriages get pregnant, so it's definitely an avenue i would look into.
sending you much love and happy thoughts!
pea / 14 posts
Thank you all so much. The D&C went as it should and I was lucky to have kind and compassionate medical staff who never lost sight of the fact that this was our baby, not just some tissue to be removed. My OB's last words to me before I went under were 'I'll find you some answers". I know that might not be medically possible, but the sentiment was reassuring.
We're definitely not done with getting testing, and will explore every avenue. We're lucky to live in Australia, so our testing so far has been 100% free, and for the rest we have coverage from our private health fund. So we have the luxury of pushing this further for which I am very grateful.
Your support and stories have been a great help and I appreciate you all taking the time to share them with me. I'll definitely be staying around the boards and paying it forward wherever I can
GOLD / pineapple / 12662 posts
@BluebirdLove: ((hugs)) and ((hugs)) and ((hugs))
wonderful clementine / 24134 posts
@BluebirdLove: glad to hear it went well for you. We hope to see you around more.
pomegranate / 3398 posts
@BluebirdLove: wishing you nothing but the very best!!!
nectarine / 2964 posts
I have no advice but a lot of hugs and support. The bright side is, you are still very young, and time is on your side. Best wishes and sending warm healing thoughts.