Interesting article for those who are considering CIO as a sleep training method...
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/babies-cry-study-article-1.1232468
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This is encouraging. We sleep trained our LO around 4 months and we did do CIO, though to be honest we rarely needed to (yes, we are definitely lucky in that regard) since she learned to self-soothe by sucking her thumb. Sometimes I feel guilty because people react so negatively to CIO, but my LO is now 7 months old and has slept from 7pm-7am for about 3 months now. She naps well, too, and is a very happy baby, so all I can say is that it worked for us.
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I hate to do that, but when I listen to stories around the neighborhood of 13 month old kids that are still not sleeping through the night, I think a few mins of crying is a much better alternative!
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I'm shocked by this statement:
"By six months of age, most babies sleep through the night, awakening their mothers only about once per week," said Temple psychology professor and study co-author Marsha Weinraub.
But glad she added this :"However, not all children follow this pattern of development."
If we took a poll of all HB members, I don't think we would find that "most" of our babies are STTN at 6 months....
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CIO seems to be working for us so far.
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Sorry, but following their logic, mothers also shouldn't breastfeed because breastfed babies tended to wake up more.
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@mediagirl: I agree, that seems like a way off statement to me. Plus I think if you look at nature and breastfeeding, babies are designed to wake up and eat frequently.
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@mediagirl: HA! I sleep trained my son and at 10 months he still isn't STTN!
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@Mrs. Pen: @Thehistoryofus: I'll be honest with you.....at just about 7 months now, I really don't mind getting up once a night....
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Hmm... I also can't believe that most babies are sleeping through the night at 6 months. Otherwise most of us on hellobee seem to be doing something wrong. My daughter dropped her night feedings at 3.5 months, but she continued to wake up for her pacifier multiple times per night until 7 months or so. I guess we could have sleep trained earlier, but she had no self-soothing capabilities other than her pacifier, so it didn't seem fair. Now at 9 months she can put her own pacifier back in, so I don't feel so bad about it. Still, she's not quite down to the 1x per week wakings described in this article.
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Worked for both of my boys for us so I believe in it.
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@mediagirl I agree. From what i often read, most HB babies aren't STTN at 6 months. We sleep trained DD @ 6 months using CIO (as a last resort since everything else we tried didn't work), and it helped reduce nite wakings from 4 to 2 (sometimes 1). But she definitely isn't STTN at 7 months
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@mediagirl: I never minded once a night either- but he's still getting up 2-4x a night.
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@mediagirl: Yeah, but they are considering STTN as no night waking, not "sleeping at least 6 hours" or whatever the technical definition is.
I will say... we did CIO and we sleep trained just like the article said by putting her in her crib, letting her fall asleep on her own and waiting before we responded at night, and C was sleeping straight through the night by 6 months old, 6:30pm-8:30am.
@glimmersnaps: They said there is a correlation between breastfeeding and waking more at night. This isnt the first or last study to find that.
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While I agree that most hellobee babies aren't sleeping through the night at 6 months almost all of my real life friends' babies were sleeping trough the night at that point (most of whom were breastfed) so I'm not sure what to think about that. LO is so far a great night sleeper (usually only one night waking, 2 is a bad night for us) but she's only 6 weeks old so who knows what the future holds. We have no issues using CIO in the future if we find it to be necessary.
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My LO is up 3-8 times a night and she is 4 months old. I feel like I'm doing something wrong. She goes to bed fine, but just wakes up so much, I would love my sleep back. If she's going to bed fine how do I really do CIO? When she wakes up to eat ignore her? That's hard because its usually easier to just give her a paci or feed her.
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@Bao: Some sleep books would suggest stretching the time - it makes for a much more restless night though. A lot less sleep for a while. We didn't consider doing that until I felt like she was eating well, and wanting me more for comfort than food - so like 10 months.
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@Bao: I think a good place to start is to wait a while before responding at night. Like, she wakes up and you wait 10-15 minutes before going in to feed her. That's where we started.
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@zippylef: did it eventually work?
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@Bao: is she falling asleep on her own or does she need to be nursed/fed/rocked/etc. to sleep? If she has sleep dependencies then that would play a huge part in all of her wakings.
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@GreekWife: yeah I really need to try that...
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@Sammyfab: half the time she does and half the time she doesn't...
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@Bao: Yep. I, personally, feel like immediate response just reinforces night waking. They learn cry=mommy. If they learn that you arent going to come running, they start to lose interest in waking up. Also, we wouldn't go in unless she started crying. She'd wake up, talk to herself for a bit and then fall back asleep without me needing to get out of bed.
I agree with @Sammyfab: though. Start by making sure she knows how to soothe herself to sleep. Don't let her nurse/feed/rock to sleep. Put her down drowsy but awake. You can also try putting her down and rubbing her back or patting her tummy, if you want to take a baby step.
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@zippylef: ok I'm going to try that for sure!! Thank you
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My LO is 10 weeks old and is a pretty good sleeper, she does 7-8 hours straight before waking up. She's still under 10 lbs, so I'm hoping when she hits 10 lbs she will sleep even better.
We started sleep training at 3 weeks old. By 4-5 weeks she had dropped her night feeding. Dropping this feeding didn't impact my LO's growth, as she is still gaining at least an ounce a day according to my weekly weigh ins. I just make sure she gets all her feedings in before bedtime.
Everytime she cries, I wait to see if she resolves it herself before going in. I try not to nurse until 5 am which is our family's normal wake up time, so if she does wake up earlier than that I do a sniff test to check for a poopy diaper, if she's okay there, I'll check her swaddle to make sure she's comfy and make sure she has her paci. I'll also restart her white noise and tranquil turtle. If she's still upset I will pick her up and hold her sideways in my arms while swaddled with her paci, once she stops crying I lay her back down in the crib awake and usually within minutes she is back to sleep.
I think CIO definitely works and has taught my baby how to self soothe!
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I didn't read the article but I do not believe everything works for all babies. In the desperation of the 4month sleep regression I tried CIO and we failed miserably. As in she was still crying hysterically after an hour.
At 7 months she just started sleeping through the night by herself. No sleep training and BFing.My nephew is formula fed and still does not sleep trough the night.
M is 8 months and nephew is a week older.
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@mediagirl: I was going to say the exact same thing!
Where are they getting these crazy well-behaved babies?
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Thank you for posting this! We're about to do our second night of CIO and I've been thinking about if it's really worth doing or okay to do. This helps a lot!
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@mediagirl: Once a night for me would be a dream! I consider that trained.
I feel like I need to read the real article. It is consistent with what the older generation tells me but not with what I have seen among friends (or is it just that those with babies who STTN don't bother to come online to ask?).
Also it doesn't address multiple night wakings vs one, wakings to feed vs waking to be comforted another way. -
My pedi told me sttn is considered sleeping from 12 am to 5 am. So it depends on your definition!
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@sloaneandpuffy: I think it depends on the age of the baby, right? Medically STTN was 5 hours straight for newborn and .... eight for 6months plus?
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