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@MrsMccarthy: to be fair, the only brand of universal healthcare that I would support is one where the individual pays for their coverage. The government mandates that everyone must be covered and the marketplace has plans available for everyone.

@grizz: I guess I never went to the one you worked at.

I can't even read about it, it makes me so angry. They have not and will not get a dime from me. I don't have time to dig up legit links, but I thought I'd read that they had no problems covering BC until the ACA was passed, and have investments in companies that produce birth control. UGH just ugh. I took birth control for health reasons in high school, and it blows my mind that if now a checker at Hobby Lobby in the same scenario would had to pay for it OOP. What a joke.

@loveisstrange: but I think Hobby Lobby is privately owned...not that it makes it better.

@MsLipGloss: thanks for clarifying, I couldn't find out more detail.

@yoursilverlining: " I also find it laughable (if it was not so infuriating) that many of the same people who want to cut funding for reproductive health, in the same breath argue “can’t women just go to planned parenthood?” How do you expect that to be a viable option if you don’t support funding PP; and, would rather have individual taxpayers funding birth control so that a private corporation doesn’t have to? "

Love your entire post, but especially this ^^^!!! Boggles my mind, too!!

Been watching coverage on CNN about this over the last hour and I'm still just so outraged at this decision. I'm sorry, but my birth control choices have NOTHING to do with my employment and employers need to stay out of our bedrooms!

@yoursilverlining: Agree with everything you said. I mean, it's not surprising (though it is sad) that a majority opinion negatively impacting birth control options for women was written and joined in by all male justices while all three female justices dissented.

Can someone educate me? In the pre-ACA days did HL offer birth control coverage as part of it's drug formulary? Meaning was birth control available to employees through their pharmacy benefits at a co-pay? And what about now? I fully understand (not saying I agree) that HL is making the argument that they shouldn't be required to provide it as part of the healthplan at no cost. I just can't find that clarification anywhere.

If it was never available as part of the formulary, that changes my opinion slightly on this whole matter.

Also, does anyone know how many insurance eligible employees HL has? I thought most retail employees were part-time and often not benefit eligible.

@loveisstrange: Love how you said it!

@lawbee11: hahaha! LOVE it!

@LuLu Mom: so sorry you had to endure that. That makes me so angry and sad for you!! Our local ones are always busy with protesters outside, too.

@OpinionsLikeKittens: Thanks for posting that link. Loved reading what she had to say!

@LuLu Mom: I'm so sorry that happened to you We've tried everything to keep them away from the one I used to work at (and still work with). I loved to tell them that if they were really pro-life, they'd be busy at home with foster kids and not harrassing people in the parking lot!

@LuLu Mom: Thats terrible, I'm sorry that happened to you.

I don't completely understand this ruling. They give their employees money, which they can go buy any number of things that hobby lobby owners probably would say SINNER! at. Is paying employees money an affront to their religious beliefs bc money can be used in impure ways?

I feel like I shouldn't really comment because I was raised in a country with universal healthcare (NHS) so I don't fully understand these issues. But my honest reaction is WTF? Disgusting. A huge step back in my opinion.

@Adira: Again, while I understand your opinion no one is telling them they cant get contraceptives. The owner of Hobby Lobby is simply exercising his right to his religious beliefs - that being he doesn't want to pay for contraceptives - I believe that I have read he specifically has said Plan B is his issue, not everyday contraceptives. I am not sure if the SC interpreted it differently or determined that they should be viewed all as contraceptives.

Everyone still has the right to obtain contraceptives on their own through insurance or paying full price - as some of us already do.

@Adira @loveisstrange completely agree. Companies are not people. Essentially the owner of a company (or in the case of Hobby Lobby the CEO) can dictate their personal values for how others should live.

@Adira: Benefits are exactly that, Benefits. You have no "right" to benefits. Just as a job itself is a benefit and you are not entitled to be given a job. Is it unfair that its harder for one person to find a new job compared to another person, sure. But that is life.

@Adira: I go back to what I said before:
"I guess I believe the the marketplace draws the line for you. For example, if you decide to cut this and that from your coverage it will eventually make you an undesirable employer. You will not attract quality employees or those you do keep will resent you and not perform well as a result. You then will have to reconsider if it is worth it or not for your business.
Perhaps the fallout from all of this will affect hobby lobby so drastically they will change their minds and offer it. Or perhaps half of their staff will walk out because of it. Either way, its their choice and their problem to deal with the ramifications of it."

In my opinion, it is his company. It is an extension of him. He can do with it as he wants. And he alone will bear the costs if his decisions go poorly. If he chooses to discriminate - he can but he bears the cost.

If today the ruling would have been the opposite and he had to cover BCP - what if he had decided to close the doors and be done with the Company? Would you force him to remain in business? Should the government be allowed to do that? Its his company - his choice - his ramifications...in my opinion.