Just wondering because of my LOs tough sleep and all the posts of others and sleep training methods - how much impact do you think we parents can have on sleep, and how much is just baby personality and developmental maturity?
Just wondering because of my LOs tough sleep and all the posts of others and sleep training methods - how much impact do you think we parents can have on sleep, and how much is just baby personality and developmental maturity?
squash / 13764 posts
I think I gave him the tools (introduced a lovey, had a consistent routine) but it was his personality that decided when he would become a good sleeper. He didn't start STTN til 13.5 months and it was prety much afte rletting him fuss for 5 min at 4:30am. He just figured it out.
pineapple / 12526 posts
Honestly, I think I had a lot of influence. We were always pretty strict about bedtime and routines. I think she was naturally a good sleeper, but I think that we made her a great sleeper.
GOLD / wonderful coffee bean / 18478 posts
I think you can have a lot of influence. Both kids are good sleepers due to our routine I think.
wonderful cherry / 21504 posts
I think it's both- I feel like C has the capabilities to be a good sleeper but needed help from us to figure it out. Without our routine and the brief CIO we did I think she would be sleeping terribly- now I think she is doing ok.
grapefruit / 4213 posts
Not much. She started sleeping 6-9 hours a night at 4 weeks and now at 10 weeks sleeps 8-10 hours every night. She did this on her own, we didn't sleep train or do anything different from weeks 1-3. She still fiercely fights daytime sleep unless being held, regardless of any routines or things we try. She pretty much does what she wants sleep wise and we just have to go with it.
coconut / 8498 posts
I think there's a lot you can do to help a baby develop good sleep habits, but ultimately it's like any other milestone. Babies will figure it out on their own time.
nectarine / 2152 posts
I think parents of kids with good sleepers will say that they have lots of influence and parents of crappy sleepers will say there's not that much they can do! I've got one of each and since they have been put through the exact same routine, I think there's only limited ways a parent can affect baby's sleep
papaya / 10473 posts
I think it's limited. We've tried everything but extinction CIO, and DS still has shitty sleep.
cantaloupe / 6730 posts
I've wondered that! So many times I've tweaked a little thing and sleep has been better. But really, could such a small change make that much difference?
watermelon / 14206 posts
I was lucky...DS just had the personality for it. He was able to self soothe and sleep all night by 4 months. At 6 years old, he can still lay down at bedtime and be asleep in ten minutes.
I hope this next LO is just as nice, because I know I didn't have much to do with it the first time (except for genes...he gets it from me).
pomegranate / 3577 posts
I think it has a lot to do with personality, and I think I have a relatively good sleeper. (Is a "stable" sleeper the same as good? We've been riding a status quo for quite awhile now, so I feel like we've adapted!)
That being said, we finally (finally!) got a real crib for E. He usually wakes around 1 am, and this time I let him fuss in his crib. If he cried, I would have leapt out of bed and run to his side, but he just low-level fussed for about 20 minutes, then fell back asleep. If he was in our room, I definitely would have pulled him into bed with me, and then we'd be up and down every hour after that.
Then he got up at 4:30 AM, and I fed him (just fussing again, but I think it is reasonable to nurse him at that point), then he slept until...NINE AM. Never in his life has he slept that long.
I seriously doubt that night's "success" is anything I have done. I think it is all him. Maybe I was holding him back by keeping him in our room? (Even though I miss him, I'm glad he is getting better sleep.) Would I have put him in his own room any sooner? Absolutely not. I wanted to keep him in our room for at least 6 months, and as uncomfortable as the acrobatic sleep was, I really liked co-sleeping. But it was never very restful for either of us.
pomegranate / 3565 posts
I would say it's more personality. We have a routine, etc and DS is an OK sleeper, not the best. He just have never liked sleep!
grapefruit / 4056 posts
I think it is easy to say it is all about the parents when you have a good sleeper
Honestly, I think it is 75% nature/25% nurture!
papaya / 10570 posts
I have a fairly crappy sleeper and I do think that I'm part of the problem because I run to her as soon as she fusses for a few seconds.
pear / 1563 posts
Thanks for all the thoughtful replies, from the parents of good and bad sleepers alike! This was one of those existential questions I asked myself last night as I was dealing with LOs fourth (?) wakeup, haha. With LOs night wakeups and crap naps it's hard to not feel like our parenting is wrapped up the bad sleep, but like anything else it's probably a combination of factors.
@MsMini: @Trailmix: I had to laugh at these responses! We're probably not able to objectively evaluate our impact.
hostess / wonderful grape / 20803 posts
It's a little of both I think. We enforce good sleep habits and a routine and he's always been a pretty good sleeper but an excellent night sleeper since 9 months.
grapefruit / 4291 posts
As a parent I think you can certainly encourage "good" sleep and promote healthy sleep hygiene but at at the end of the day you can't force a baby to sleep!
eggplant / 11824 posts
I think we some some control in the sense that we're able to do research and then introduce a lot of options (various sleep training methods, loveys, stability, routine, white noise, etc.) but much of it depends on your baby. A friend of mine credits her LO's sleep with her strict routine....she's never had any sleep issues. Sorry friend, but your 1 week old didn't sleep like magic from day 1 because of you: you got lucky.
pomegranate / 3565 posts
@Kemma: exactly! I used to think I "messed up" my son's sleep somehow. But then I realized, I can't force him to be a good sleeper if he is not.
GOLD / wonderful pomegranate / 28905 posts
@Trailmix: exactly. It's easy to take the credit when LO is a great sleeper but hard to take the blame when they're a bad sleeper!
grapefruit / 4663 posts
@Trailmix: this is great to hear. DS hates sleep and I was afraid we were causing it.
pear / 1698 posts
I think we played a big role in it. I'm pretty lax parent, but sleep was one thing I knew needed to be a priority for us since we both have careers that are also important to us. We started "sleep training" at only 4 weeks old. My LO is an awesome sleeper even now at 14 months.
pomelo / 5678 posts
I don't really believe you can do very much. I also don't believe sleeping is a learned skill. It isn't for me! More of a natural process... somepeople can sleep 12 hours... me not so much.
cantaloupe / 6397 posts
I don't feel like we have much control at all. We just lucked out with a decent night sleeper (but a crap napper).
GOLD / pomelo / 5737 posts
I don't know. Dd is a good sleeper generally but when she goes through a rough patch, night wakings are LONG. (1-3 hours, usually between 1 and 5, and usually closer to 3 than 1.) And though we temporarily quit the paci at 5 months we ended up back on it even though I tried not to.
I think @msmini and @locavore_mama are right to be honest!! I have gone through good periods where I thought "see! all the routines and blahblahblah are worth it!" and then gotten to crap periods where I thought "but I did (almost) everything right! Whyyyyy?" Yes, routines help, but in the end I think nature plays a huuuuuge role in determining how much.
apricot / 461 posts
Very little!! I tried all the typical recommendations re:routine, lovey, etc. Made no difference. As with everything, depends on the child.
pomegranate / 3388 posts
I think we had some, but I think my daughter was also naturally a pretty good nighttime sleeper. We introduced routine, and helped her out with a pacifier -- only fed her at night if she continued to cry for food even after being offered a pacifier. I think those definitely helped her to sleep through the night early on.
BUT, on the flip side, I followed every rule for nap time, and I never convinced my daughter to be a good napper. She finally came into it on her own soon after she turned 1, and I'm sure her daycare nap routine helped with that. But I do think a lot of her sleeping strengths and weaknesses are just part of her personality. While we got lucky on some, and were able to reinforce her natural tendencies with routine... we were not so lucky on others.
blogger / eggplant / 11551 posts
I think it's both. I think you can introduce skills to help children sleep, but temperament plays a huge role. I think that's why there are terms like "light" or "deep" sleepers, even for adults! Some people are light sleepers their whole lives, and there's really nothing they can do about it…
FWIW, both my kids did well with all the typical sleep recommendations given in books though even though their personalities are polar opposites in every other way. I followed guidelines for how long wake times should be at what age, etc. and they seemed to fit those time molds pretty well.
wonderful grape / 20453 posts
I think we helped foster good sleep because we were on it from the beginning--no developing bad habits, etc. It's no coincidence that she immediately slept great after we sleep trained and has mostly continued to. But she was always a pretty good sleeper; we just made her better.
hostess / wonderful persimmon / 25556 posts
I think our routine (since age 3 months) helped get her on a sleeping "schedule" where she knew when she was going to lay down for bed and for naps. I could do nothing to help her sleep longer, though, that was all up to her.
All that being said, coincidence or not, she did start STTN after we weaned.
pomelo / 5469 posts
None, really. I think she *touches wood* is a naturally good sleeper... and apparently gets that from her mama as my Mum told me recently that my Sister and I were good sleepers too
pineapple / 12566 posts
I think it is mostly the kid. DS is now almost three and was the WORST sleeper. We tried sleep training a few tomes the first year and it did not work for us. The first time he STTN was just a few weeks after he turned one (gah!) and he did it all by himself. Since then, so for two years, he has woken up only a small handful if times (maybe 5).
We now have a three week old DD and from the get go she has been an amazing sleeper compared to DS. Who knows how long it will last, but from birth, my children's sleep patterns have been completely different.
pomegranate / 3383 posts
@Trailmix: yes!!! I totally agree with this. And the same goes for eating habits and a lot of different milestones.
My son is a great sleeper and a so-so napper and while we started healthy sleep habits early on, I think he is a naturally independent and consistent sleeper. I like to think that because he has been difficult in other areas, he has been easy on us with sleep .
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
I really struggle with this, because my son isn't the greatest sleeper in the world. I was diligent with awake times, sleep cues, routines, etc. but he just doesn't self soothe well.
I think sleep habits are partly inherited, my husband is a.lso a terrible sleepers and according to my mil, he and my so are very similar.
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