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@marionberry: hi
Good luck on Thursday!
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@shutterbug: Thanks! I hear you have b/w going on now too. Good luck on answers yourself!
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@kentuckygirl: I'm so sorry about the BFN - you already know 10dpo is too early! You're brave to POAS though! I'm hoping you see a BFP in a couple days, fingers crossed!
@marionberry: Hi! Not thrilled you have to move on to Cycle 8 but wishing you a good appointment!
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@Mrs.Someone: I don't have any acupuncture experience, but it's interesting to hear about what you're going through. I hope the other women on this board can give you some additional insight.
@ChuckNorris: Sorry about the death in the family. Sounds like life has been full for you. Hope things go well with Clomid!
@KentuckyGirl: I understand the disappointment. Rant away! And then test again in a few days
@marionberry: I hope you get some answers soon to help you get closer to your BFP!
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@marionberry: Sorry you have to be here but welcome. This thread is a great community of support!
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Thanks ladies! I guess I'll just wait until I can ask my acupuncturist on Thursday.
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Ugh. Just got the call from my doctor's office re: my husband's SA. His count was low - "just below normal". I know he isn't going to take this news well. I feel like I'm much better at dealing with this sort of stress than he is, and I know he's going to beat himself up over it.
My actual doctor wasn't in today so I just spoke with one of the nurses. Will talk to the doctor when she's back in on Thursday, then it looks like we'll be scheduling a urologist appointment from there. Boo
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@alie: ((hugs!)) I can't seem to find the thread, but I know some of the other women were talking about SA results and what matters the most. Maybe you can tell your husband that getting the results now will give you time to process it, and then just wait until you really hear back from your doctor before there is too much analyzing. (SO much easier said than done...I know...)
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@marionberry: welcome :). It definitely feels good to get answer and to have a plan of action.
@alie: I'm sorry about the results :(. Try not to get too down about it, there are things that might be able to be done to help bring up the count. IUI can help too.
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@ChuckNorris: Yay for being on Clomid too! I've never heard of overstimming at 50mg, it seems more of a possibility that it doesn't work at all. I'll have fingers crossed for both of us that our follie counts are good.
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@ChuckNorris: I'm sorry about the death in your family. Don't have any thing regarding clomid but fingers are crossed for you.
@alie: I'm sorry about the results
Can there be supplements takn to increase the count? Sorry if this is a stupid question - I'm not sure about count. When DH got his SA done, his motility was borderline low and he's been taking fertility blend for men. Not sure if it's working but it says it can take 3 months since this is how long it takes sperm to replenish. @marionberry; welcome!
I am 1DPO so I am gearing for the TWW, not that I think this month will be it - we did the usual BD two days and one day before O and used preseed. Not really counting on anything.
On a happier note - this past weekend I fulfilled my childhood dream of getting Count Chocula cereal. It was delicious
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@sweetooth: @MrsCB: @MK0180: Thanks ladies! I have no idea about the supplements, but will definitely be looking into it! The nurse stressed that she's seen a lot worse than his count (he was at 28 million and they want to see 40), so maybe I shouldn't be as bummed about it as I am, but I feel like it's just one more roadblock for us. I'm trying not to feel overly whiny about it because I know people deal with far worse than lazy ovaries and slightly low sperm counts, but it doesn't help that AF is right around the corner making me extra grumpy and weepy today!
In happier news, I have family coming in from out of the country today, so hopefully playing with my nephew will both distract me and maybe even make me a little glad I don't have a toddler just yet
ha!
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@marionberry: welcome to the thread. I'm sorry you have to be here!
@alie: my dh's urologist told us that motility and forward progression and the most important numbers in an SA. A little less than normal could mean he still has millions of sperm! Maybe that will help him not get discouraged until you see the entire analysis.
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Thanks @Leialou - that does help! The nurse seemed to think all the other tests were normal, so hopefully the doctor will confirm that on Thursday.
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@alie - Sorry to hear about the results! My acupuncturist gave me a list of natural foods and supplements that can help various sperm issues. I think some things were Wild Salmon, Swiss Chard, etc., and it had more specific things for each issue. I also read a study that a serving of walnuts every day increased male fertility over a 3 month period. Maybe check out what Google has to say?
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Finally heard back about DH's SA - in bizarre news, his motility jumped from 10% on his first 2 SAs (done in a different lab) to 58%. We're not sure how to feel about this! We had made our peace with moving forward with IVF/ICSI, and now we just know the RE will push IUI on us. They're known for insisting on at least 3 cycles of IUI, sometimes 6, before IVF. Of course, if that's what his numbers are now, that also means maybe I should go back to charting but I don't want to because in my mind I've already handed this all over to someone else. I'm just so confused.
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@kentuckygirl: I can definitely understand testing early. I usually start at 9DPO hahahah. Why do we do this to ourselves?!?! Lol. Thanks for responding!
@marionberry: Good luck with your appointment!! Let us know how it goes. When is it?
@MrsCB: I'm so glad someone is doing this Clomid thing the same time I am!!! You have your ultrasound tomorrow? What CD will you be?? My ultrasound isn't until halloween, which will be CD13. Hope I don't O super early or something!! My ovaries were aching last night too. Definitely my ovaries, and definitely aching. Not like super uncomfortable, just, you know, could feel them! I hope that doesn't mean I have follies on both sides, are you supposed to have both ovaries stimulated or just the one?
@sweetooth: Thanks for your response!!
@alie: I'm sorry about his counts =( I hear some good results with taking fertility supplements, several ladies I know whose husbands have male factor issues had improvement with taking it regularly! Good luck!! I hope everything went okay with telling him. Mine was really stressed when I told him about his and it wasn't that abnormal.
@MK0180: Thanks for responding and the crossed fingers!! =) YAY for cereal umm wow that sounds sooo good!! I freaking love cereal (like weirdly so). I just restarted my diet today, and I'm kind of regretting it because I think I could eat a whole box of that right now haha
@spaniellove: Yay for his numbers improving!! What do you think caused that jump?!? Did he take any supplements??
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@ChuckNorris: Yup, ultrasound tomorrow! I'll be on CD13. I'm confused about the two ovaries thing too. I did some reading and apparently you can ovulate from both sides with Clomid. I can definitely feel achey-ness to the point of being uncomfortable/painful in both of mine, but a lot more on the left side. I'm really hoping the 50mg works because I can't imagine how it'll be like on the higher doses. But at this point I'll take two eggs with potential! Better than the none I've had for months, lol. If we have twins then I don't have to try to get pregnant again, haha.
What is your plan for after the follie scan? If mine look good tomorrow we'll get the ok to use the ovidrel trigger and then do timed intercourse. I've already warned DH if we trigger on Wednesday I want to BD Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. If the 50mg didn't make progress, I'll immediately go back on Clomid at 100mg without having to wait until next cycle.
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@ChuckNorris: I'm not sure if it's the fact that a different lab processed the sample or that he did the SA midcycle, just after a ton of BD. Either way it makes me suddenly worry that maybe this is what his motility was midcycle every time, and there's just no reason this isn't happening. He started taking Fertility Blend recently, but I doubt that was it because he's only been taking 1 of the 2 pills a day.
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@spaniellove, @sweettooth, @kentuckygirl, @mrscb, @mk0180, and @leilalou: Thank you for your warm welcome!
@alie: I often worry about how DH will handle the upcoming SA results too. I think if you just give him the truth, but also talk to him about how it helps you to move forward with a plan of action to make a baby, maybe it will help him see the positive in the seemingly negative? Since my DH is much older than me I ordered him FertilAid for Men (which he's been taking for a month) and just ordered him Motlity Boost, which goes with it, that he just started taking. I'm not sure it works, but it's what we're doing.
@chucknorris: I go in Thursday. It's the first meeting with this OB/GYN (my FP doesn't do babies) and it will be CD3, so I'm hoping she'll do more than a meet and greet and actually do some bloodwork. I'll fill you guys in right afterward. I'm sure I'll want your input.
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So I had my ultrasound bright and early this morning. The tech couldn't really tell me much, so I'll have to wait for the nurse to call this afternoon. She did say my lining was beautiful (which made DH laugh) and that the ovaries seemed to be coming along. Fingers crossed I can trigger tonight.
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@MrsCB: haha beautiful lining! Fingers crossed for you!
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@alie: Hugs! You should definitely look into some supplements. Plus, the drs can definitely work with sperm counts just below normal.
@spaniellove: Akkk! This is great news!!! I know it's hard to have to change plans again. It just highlights how it's sooooo out of our control (I'm a control-freak, so it kills me to not be able to plan this). But IUI is so much easier and cheaper! Plus, if they do a sperm wash, then only the good stuff will get in. As for why it's magically higher, I'd put my money on it being a bunch of little things. The different lab for sure. I work in a lab and often I can't get my coworker to get the same results as me. That's why drs often repeat labs from other clinics. They know how to interpret their own lab's results. I'd also bet the supplements did a little too. Who knows?
@ChuckNorris: Good luck on the Clomid! It's so exciting how everything is moving along for you.
@MrsCB: Ooooo, good sign! Isn't that what they told Greenthumb too? And look at her!!!
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@Grace: I was really skeptical that the difference had anything to do with an actual improvement, but I found it hard to believe that the labs could account for that drastic of a difference. It's hard to go from feeling like it's completely out of my hands and there's nothing I can do to thinking that small daily habits can change everything. The other thing we think could have made a difference is that earlier in the year, DH was running long distances in the heat and training for a marathon, and now he's had several months for everything to regenerate, plus the weather is much cooler.
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@spaniellove: One of the biggest challenges in developing a test is trying to make it robust enough that you will get consistent results. And maybe his running did help too. I mean, look at how wonky our cycles can get if we look at them cross-eyed. Why not for men too?
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So my Dr just called with my CD3 bloodwork results - everything looks normal except my TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) is high - almost 3.8. She referred me to an endocrinologist because she said that if you're not pregnant it should be below 3.5, and if you are, it should be below 2.5. She said the endocrinologist will start me on medication to lower it.
She also said that when they get the progesterone results (which I haven't done yet) she's going to start me on prometrium regardless of the outcome.
I'm consulting Dr. Google and I don't know how worried to be about the high TSH, but at least things are moving forward!
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@Shutterbug: yay for moving forward! Thyroid is a tricky thing. While 3.5 is considered high, I've seen numbers in the 80s, 300s and even 500s!! It's odd that you are bring referred for such a small variance, usually that's something your GP can manage. But I suppose that's pretty sweet because you will truly get the BEST care with an endocrinologist! But it's crazy, people are sometimes SO sensitive to thyroid that fertility is super affected, even with seemingly minor out of range numbers! Its super easy to treat, and people are usually responsive to Meds in like 6-8 weeks!. Fingers crossed that it helps! Keep us posted!!!
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@MrsCB: That sounds promising!
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@ChuckNorris: Thanks for the info! I'm glad to hear that 3.8 isn't too too bad. I'm super excited to be referred to an endocrinologist though, because hopefully it'll mean I can bypass the whole 'year of trying' thing since it's for my thyroid. Appointment is on 11/15, so I'll keep you all posted
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@MK0180: yay for happy notes and fulfilling dreams
@alie: enjoy your family time! I know what you mean about getting news when AF is right around the corner. That was me last week! Don't worry about whining to this group - all of it is worth working through.
@spaniellove: I can see how the news of the increased motility would kind of shake up your world. Sometimes I wish there could be just a FEW less variables in this crazy process!
@MrsCB: So excited for you!
@Shutterbug: Hooray for moving forward and for getting answers! 11/15 is my follow-up appointment with my RE - so let's hope we both get LOTS of good information that day
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Thanks everyone! So the nurse just called me a little while ago. Of course she called when I couldn't write anything down so I'm trying to remember what she said. If I remember correctly, I have some follicles at or under 14mm on my left side, and at/under 12mm on my right side. They want me to come in for another ultrasound and b/w on Friday.
I'm a little disappointed, but still hopeful. In a way it works out better because my parents are staying over tonight and I was worried how it would go trying to get the ovidrel syringe out of the fridge with everyone around, and DH wasn't going to be thrilled with BDing while my parents are here. And I guess it's not too bad because the original plan was to go to 100mg Clomid immediately if the 50mg didn't work. So it must've worked somewhat since we're just going to check back in 2 days.
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Thanks everyone for the well-wishes. I am disappointed but just trying to look forward. Truthfully, with my endo, I kinda expect to have to go the IVF route eventually. I had my b/w this morning and will start Round #2 of Clomid. The doc increased me to 150 mg (from 100 mg) in hopes of getting more than one egg for the IUI. Hope I tolerate it okay.
@Marionberry: Welcome! Good luck with your appointment.
@Kentuckygirl: Sorry about the BFN but it was waayyy too early, which you already know.
@Alie: So sorry about the SA. Fertilaid is a great supplement.
@MK0180: I recently bought Fruity Pebbles! Yum.
@Spaniellove: I feel your confusion about charting. I really don't feel like it anymore but still do it to double-check the IUI timing. Drives me nuts.
@Chucknorris: Good work on the beautiful lining. My technician also used that adjective. Too funny. -
@MrsCB: Hang in there! Sounds like you just need a bit more time to ripen, which is totally normal. Hopefully the timing will work out for the best.
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@shutterbug: Great news, and glad that it gets you out of that 'have to wait a year' thing. I'm hoping I get to do CD3 bloodwork tomorrow so that maybe I can know what's going on too!
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@MrsCB: That sounds pretty good!! Yay for beautiful lining!! It's still early in the game, those follies could still grow grow grow!!! =) I would not have a problem with twins, either! But multiples scare me because of the risks for preterm labor and other complications and stuff... Do you guys BD before your tigger too, or just after? After my u/s we will not be doing a trigger due to lack of availability (since my RE doesn't have an office, he works at the clinic I work at). We are just to have sex on CD13, 14 and 15 and however much after that until O is confirmed. I have instructions to start oral progesterone on CD12, but I think I will wait until I have crosshairs/positive OPK to make sure I don't take it before O. What do you think?
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@marionberry: Well, I'm sending good, productive-doctor's-appointment vibes your way!
@Grace: I'm excited, I hope this is our answer. My husband said the other day, "This is it, honey. I just know it." Sooo I hope he's right...
@raintreebee: I thnk you may be mixing me up with MrsCB, I have my ultrasound next wednesday =)
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@marionberry: good luck tomorrow! Make sure you bring up the cd3 blood work if your dr doesn't - can't hurt to ask!
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@Chucknorris. Oops. I bet your lining is beautiful too!
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@shutterbug: I'm going to, because I don't want to wait another month for CD3 b/w.
@chucknorris: Thank you! I could use all the good luck vibes I can get at this point. I almost hope they confirm a problem so that we can have something to fix. DH had an SA appt set for next week, but we're moving it back a week because it will mess with my ovulation/need-to-bd time. But hopefully by the end of the month we'll have some clear direction. -
@Shutterbug: Oh your doctor is a sneakyboots! Excellent that she's found a way around the system. And i know a few people with wonky thyroids. It seems to be easily controlled with medication and it could give you more energy and speed up your metabolism too.
@raintreebee: Good luck! I hope you get a bunch if 'em!
Good luck on Thursday!
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