pomelo / 5607 posts
@Mrs. Oatmeal: My mom used to be the personal assistant for her pastor, and he was very strict about them not being alone. If one needed to work early/late, the other either couldn't or they made sure other people were too. I just assumed that was standard practice for pastors. Though this was a church that's VERY big into purity culture, so I know that's a factor.
cherry / 163 posts
I wonder if this is a rule applied to their daily life or only a rule in the instance of home guests. In other words, is the only reason they have this rule due to the fact that they have another couple living in their home or do they always have this rule? Perhaps they didn't want any children walking into a room with a guy and the woman who is not his wife and getting the wrong impression? I think normal living and life choices about what you're comfortable with can drastically change when you're living with another family!
I can never see myself in the situation as we literally do not have space where someone could live with us, nor do I see us ever having that so I really don't know if we would have this rule. I don't think we would. I think we could vacation with friends and not worry about this.
pineapple / 12053 posts
@Mrs. Oatmeal: our church had the same rule for those of us volunteering with the youth. We had a large church in an urban area and unfortunately, accusations had been made before, so the rule was made to protect both the teens and the volunteers. So I get what you're saying.
We don't have this rule but honestly we barely have time for one on one time with friends of any sex right now! And ya know what, they do what they have to!
pomegranate / 3350 posts
@yoursilverlining: I love this. Ha very well said.
@MoonMoon: @2farmmoms: I wondered how it would work with gay relationships too? You can't be alone with members of the same sex if they are gay but it's ok if they are straight? You can only have friends of the opposite sex? It seems like this is maybe an extreme religious stance so it would not apply?
@Apples4Teacher: I read through some of the comments and it seems like it is a general rule for them. So they only have couple friends, will only meet up with friends as a couple, etc.
grapefruit / 4321 posts
I decided to go and actually read their blog. Sounds like they were more concerned about gossip/rumors and "the appearance of evil" than that someone would actually do something inappropriate. I think that's a pretty sad way to live your life to make your choices based on what others might think/say about your relationship.
pomelo / 5093 posts
LOL for days. Not at all. I might be weirded out if my husband made a new female friend who I didn't know and wanted to hang out with her alone, but that's it. My husband will sometimes go to concerts with girlfriends of mine if we can't find a babysitter and he's more excited about it, and I don't hesitate to hang out with one of our shared male friends for a similar kind of thing.
nectarine / 2521 posts
@Mrs. Oatmeal: I grew up being taught the same rule because my Dad was a high school principal of a small private school. My dad was always very careful to never be alone with moms or female students away from specific school events (like a parent teacher meeting for example). It was about protecting my dad rather than any lack of trust.
I had to make peace with DH hanging out with females from the start, because he's a pilot and often times has had an entire female crew, and it's not like he can lock himself into his room all weekend. And he's responsible for his own actions and no rules I put down can prevent someone deciding to do something.
grapefruit / 4418 posts
@Truth Bombs: I was wondering about this, too. For those who have this rule because they don't want it to look bad if someone sees them. I can't wrap my head around that at all, because I know the truth and couldn't care less about what other people think or say. Unless you saw me kissing someone or straight up naked in their bed, anything else you think is something you created in your head about what was going on.
grapefruit / 4800 posts
I can't wrap my head around the gossipy people explanation either. We've had people stay with us for extended time. I feel like it'd put a weird cloud over the stay to have rules that assume cheating or gossip. I wouldn't have people I didn't trust stay with us. I'd feel super awkward if we went over to someone's house and they told me that rule, it'd feel like an accusation or feel like one of them had some problem with their ID and I should worry that them and the dog were going to come over and hump my leg.
nectarine / 2173 posts
Building trust requires trust, not rules. Cheating is against the rules of our marriage so why would I expect not being alone with someone of the opposite sex to stop it? I trust my husband to respect me and our marriage and he expects the same of me, no additional rules required.
pomegranate / 3658 posts
I've heard people say things like this before (in particular, that spouses should never drive in a car alone with a person of the opposite sex). Honestly the idea kind of offends me, like the very idea is an insult to concept of marriage. Sort of buys into the myth that sex is just something that spontaneously happens to people, as opposed to a conscious consensual act between responsible actors.
cantaloupe / 6171 posts
We would never have a rule like this, it's just seems so unnecessary. It's important to me that I trust my husband would never intentionally do anything that would hurt my feelings, betray me, or otherwise act disrespectfully, and vice versa.
We recently had a situation where dh had to go out of town suddenly (fil was in the hospital/almost died), and logistically we need to have 2 adults in our home at night--we live in a high-rise apartment building with a toddler and 2 dogs, so someone needs to stay in with the baby while someone else takes the dogs out before bed. Before even asking me, dh asked his bff--a dude--to stay with me that night since my bff couldn't. I felt awkward about it, but it was totally fine--we spent the evening talking about his girl problems, fil's health, and watching baseball, lol. And it was dh's idea. So, that might horrify some people who follow these kinds of rules, but it worked for us. The only part of the night I kept secret from dh was the friend giving me ideas for a present for dh
Also, dh has asked my (girl) friends to attend events with him when I couldn't go. big fat whatever from me!
wonderful grape / 20453 posts
I totally understand why. You could just fall on his penis. He could not resist your advances
wonderful pea / 17279 posts
@nana87: you two must genuinely like each other's friends. That is not the case in my house, but it's great you all do.
coconut / 8472 posts
We don't have rules like this, it wouldn't even occur to me. I can understand a grown man not feeling like it's appropriate to be alone with a teen girl, but to not be alone with adult friends is bizarre. And what kind of people care about these things or think something suspect is going on?? And to have to ask your husband's permission to be alone with someone sounds pretty misogynistic. I'm not interested in a relationship where this feels necessary.
grapefruit / 4321 posts
@blackbird: I hate when I just fall on a penis. Happens all the time. Damn clumsiness.
wonderful grape / 20453 posts
@Truth Bombs: that's how you got pregnant, isn't it? Isn't it?!?!
grapefruit / 4321 posts
@blackbird: That, plus a damn bottle of Kendall Jackson. Whoops.
cherry / 148 posts
@Tanjowen: I see it all the time where guys I fly with aren't allowed to go to dinner with their crews or even talk to women outside of business. It's ridiculous when I can't even speak while they're on the phone for fear of arousing suspicion. I wanna tell these gfs/wives that I have zero interest in seducing their not even hot husband. Seems like a miserable way to live, all this controlling by one spouse and "white lying" to appease the other. Like you said, at the end of the day if someone is going to cheat they will cheat regardless of what their profession is or how tightly their wives try to reign them in. I see that all the time too!
cantaloupe / 6206 posts
What? No- that's hilarious. DH's best friend is female and they've known each other a lot longer than I've known him...
pomegranate / 3411 posts
we have no rules But i think out of respect, neither of us for example, would plan a solo dinner, drinks and movie night with a friend of the opposite sex on a saturday night.
Or if DH was out of town, i probably would not choose that night to have a male friend come spend the evening at our house. I'd be more inclined to do a group thing or a girls night.
pomegranate / 3355 posts
No rule at all. I wouldn't have married him if I'd felt it necessary to have a rule like this.
cantaloupe / 6869 posts
I don't even understand why this would ever be an issue. If you trust your spouse, why would you have a problem with them being alone with someone of the opposite sex? That's just plain weird.
honeydew / 7504 posts
My best friend is a guy...who also happens to be my ex-boyfriend...who I also happened to be having a "friends with benefits" arrangement with when I first started dating my husband. Needless to say, when we first started dating, this was a BIG point of contention for us. It took a long time to convince him that we were really just friends who were sleeping together because we knew it worked and we were bored and lonely. Giving up my friendship with him was not an option, and it took a few fights for him to realize that.
So because of that, I'd be a total hypocrite if Hubs wanted to hang out solo with a female friend. HOWEVER, since he didn't have any going into our relationship, it would throw up some sensors if suddenly a new female friendship emerged and he wanted to hang out solo with her. I feel like I would have to get to know her, see them interact, etc, before I'd be comfortable with it. And I think I would do the same for him if I developed a new male friendship.
GOLD / wonderful pea / 17697 posts
Personally, setting rules like this would indicate a big lack of trust and respect for each other in our marriage
GOLD / wonderful olive / 19030 posts
I guess we've never had a need for any rules like this? I trust my husband and although he doesn't have any close girl friends if he did I wouldn't be threatened at all and I know he feels the same way about the guy friends I have. Usually when I'm with my guy friends its in a group setting but he would not be threatened at all if it was just the two of us. For me it's a trust issue, I trust him 100% so I know I have nothing to worry about, and him the same with me.
GOLD / cantaloupe / 6703 posts
My husband and I talked about this after I read this past and we chuckled. As a conservative Christian I can see where some of the basis is, especially in the idea to avoid the appearance of evil and acting in such a way that would not be a stumbling block for others, but we also agree that there are times when you are going to be around others and that is okay. For instance, I was on a week long business trip with a male coworker. It was cheaper for the company to rent a 2 bedroom suite for us to stay in and DH was gone with that.
While I wad gone, he spent 2-3 hours a few evenings with our next door neighbor. She had 2 kids who A could play with while DH could sit on the couch and talk about something that wasn't work or princess relayed. Instead of being worried, I was relieved he got a break.
pomelo / 5129 posts
I think whatever works for a couple is fine for them.
But I also wonder who makes the rules. I think it very different for someone to say "I don't want you to ever be alone with someone of the opposite sex" than "Out of respect for you, I will never be alone with someone of the opposite sex"
But in the end, TETO. It's not something that DH and I have ever even thought of.
wonderful kiwi / 23653 posts
@Mrs. Oatmeal: exact, same, thing. We have the rule too to protect ourselves (him mostly).There has been a few times when we've had to reschedule individuals coming over for prayer/etc b/c I knew I'd be upstairs putting DD to bed so we're not even comfortable with the fact that I won't be physically sitting there with them.
We have completely 100% trust in each other, but given DH's profession we have to be very careful b/c we've seen bad things happen in the past!
pomegranate / 3105 posts
No - just be honest about everything and it's all good. I know he still talks to a couple of ex gfs, and has lots of female friends, as I have many male friends.
My BIL stopped talking to his BFF / high school GF because his now wife had an issue with them hanging out (meanwhile she cheated on an ex-fiance...and BIL has never been unfaithful to anyone)
grapefruit / 4800 posts
@snowjewelz: I can understand that with acquaintances, especially depending on your profession.
Do you still have the same rule with close friends who have stood the test of time and relatives?
wonderful kiwi / 23653 posts
@Maysprout: Honestly the situation has never come up, haha! There's really no chance of us randomly seeing ONE relative alone (I don't even have relatives here). There has been times where one of my really good friends comes over and I am upstairs with the baby. With that, A) I do trust her 99.99% (I just say that b/c you just never know I guess?!) and B) we're always expecting others so our front door is open (there is a clear screen door that's closed), so they're alone for maybe max like 5 minutes really.
ETA - I think the "exceptions" to the rule for us is where we really just take our chances with the people we trust!
grapefruit / 4545 posts
Definitely no rules like that here...
That said - if I was going to hang out with a male who DH had not met I would probably give a quick background on how I know him and what we were doing - and probably end with " you ok with that?" - which he would be.
I have two friends from college - who have both attempted to date me at one point or another - who DH does not like when I see...so its usually only in group settings. Perfectly reasonable since there is "history" there.
Not the same...but DH did comment this summer that he was uncomfortable being home alone with a "Mommys Helper" next door neighbor girl. We are new in the sub (1.5 years) and he just felt he didnt want to create the situation with a 14 year old girl. At first I thought it was odd - but then I realized it is probably best...
eggplant / 11716 posts
@mrsrain: same here, I guess. Pre marriage, I had a ton of guy friends I was close to and a few Dh was not comfortable with. I was super peeved at first and we fought about it a few times, but then I had some girl friends of mine say DH was right about a lot of thiings (like, that some of those guys were maybe...."overly familiar" with me) and that they wouldn't like their husband to be in that situation with a girl he knew either. So then I started to see his side.
My husband has never had a girl friend really (that isn't the spouse of a guy friend), so I've never really had to think about it.
eta: after reading more about the actual post--I think that's a bit weird, to invite friends to stay in your house, but to not want one of them ever alone in a room with one of us. Kind of bizarre--how can you avoid sometimes being in the kitchen at the same time, or if 3 are watching a show on tv, but a kid wakes up so one parent has to go to the kid....are the other two supposed to then leave the living room? I was thinking more like...spouses going on long outings with opposite sex friends alone.
grapefruit / 4800 posts
@snowjewelz: that's the part that got me was they were close friends of theirs. To me it'd be like inviting friends over and telling them you put your valuables in the safe so they weren't tempted to steal them. I mean I lock my doors at night bc I don't trust everybody in the world but I'm not going to treat my friends like thieves and tell them I don't trust their self restraint.
wonderful kiwi / 23653 posts
@Maysprout: Yeah, this one is tricky I mean, we can def be even more cautious, but we'd never make it so that so that it's obvious/noticeable.. Like "sorry can you sit in your car for 10 min b/c you can't be alone with my spouse" lol
eggplant / 11716 posts
@Tanjowen: I think I missed that your husband is a pilot! My dad was a pilot for AA and was super conservative Christian, so I really think he mostly stayed alone in his room after maybe grabbing food in a group situation. He was also the cheapest person alive and never drank a drop of alcohol and was against places like bars, so going out to dinners and things are not up his alley. Instead he became obsessive about working out in hotel gyms and he took up a new musical instrument every few years and perfected it on all those nights (violin, then guitar, then banjo, then mandolin--crazy).
But I never though about what it would be like to have a spouse gone that much with different crews all the time. What's it like?
nectarine / 2521 posts
@Anagram: Interesting! I feel for DH a big part of the trip is getting out and seeing the sights and exploring, and it would be sad for him to miss out.
To answer your question, it was hard at first. We had a situation where a flight attendant gave him her room key one night and I was seriously pissed off at the entire industry (not at him). She was engaged and said it didn't hurt anyone and was part of the airline culture. Bah.
For the most part with his old airline he flew with great people and I've gone on a.few trips and had a lot of fun with his crew. But now He has been with delta now for a year flying overseas and it is completely different! All his captains are near retirement and the flight attendants don't even stay at the same hotel. DH usually ends up wandering around Paris alone or talking the other first officer into going with him, but he's only flown with 1 female since starting there!
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