apricot / 347 posts
@SweetiePie: This is almost exactly what DH said last night. It probably really is him, but what better way to get the attention of even more people than to include Josh Duggar's name and two home addresses? They can be searched and clearly these hackers can get to information easily. Not defending him because it's probably true, but I can see someone adding him because it would be perfect to smear him more and gain even more attention to the hack.
ETA: It's actually perfect for people who want to smear his name. If it's not true, what's he going to do? Say it wasn't him? Everyone will be saying, "Suuuuure it wasn't." Although it doesn't look like that was the hackers' intent.
clementine / 854 posts
I don't know if it's true or not but what I'm unsure of is why any celebrity would go to a site like this? The people who respond and hook up with people looking to cheat clearly have no morals. So wouldn't he have been taking a huge risk that someone would recognize him and perhaps try to get paid off, or famous for being the other woman in a Duggar marriage?
eggplant / 11824 posts
I think when someone has built their life and their fortune *directly* upon loudly questioning other adults’ sexual morality and working to repeal anti-discrimination laws because of their outward sexual mortality pretenses, it’s totally fair to loudly LOL when it turns out that for *years* that same person has paid to have affairs – including purchasing a $250 “affair guarantee”.
I don’t think the entries are made up, just because I don’t think he is enough of a celebrity to fake inclusion. Why not include a real legit celeb then? The hack already had plenty of attention on its own, and would have gotten tons of coverage, without any celebs, or pseudo-celebs added to the list. The billing address isn’t his house, it’s his grandmother’s house – if it’s fake, why not just include his own actual billing address? Seems like a lot of trouble to go through finding a plausible address that someone might use to send questionable billing statements to so their wife didn’t uncover the charges. Seems much more plausible that once again, those that yell the loudest about morality, have zero.
grapefruit / 4089 posts
@yoursilverlining: I would like to give a huuuge +1 to your whole first paragraph. If it really was him, his hypocrite status just increased tenfold.
pineapple / 12802 posts
@Ra: That's what I thought too. It's unfortunate how brainwashed they are and that adultery is "caused" because the wife wasn't doing her "job". Not to mention, even if she was smart enough to leave, what exactly would she do? and where would she go?
wonderful kiwi / 23653 posts
@Mrs. Pen: I agree with you... I totally get why the public is rejoicing/relishing in this b/c of how he all of his choices/actions. But it's definitely just sad and not something you want to see happen to families. I do hope that their story serves as a lesson for many others to please not sweep these issues under the rug in order to uphold some image!
pear / 1998 posts
I think the movement the Duggars are part of is dangerous so I am "happy" and "glad" (those words don't seem appropriate for the exact feelings I have) that Josh's problems have come to light. I hope it shines the light on the issues the families that choose to live like them have. I am extremely sad for the suffering that his wife, children, and sisters have gone through, but with this information being released - maybe it will prevent similar circumstances from happening in the future - and that is a REALLY good thing.
pomelo / 5524 posts
I don't have any sympathy for Josh Duggar, but I do have sympathy for his wife and kids. And I think that @Ra is right - because of the nature of their relationship, she's going to feel as if she didn't fulfill her wifely duties and forced him to do this. As if she drove him there. I hope for her sake, some of this starts to die down so that she can move on with life.
honeydew / 7586 posts
@TemperanceBrennan: Yes. Exactly what I was thinking but having problems articulating properly.
eggplant / 11824 posts
@Ra: agree that his wife will blame it on herself.
One of my husband’s cousins married into a weird, but mainstream branch of fundamentalism, which is certainly more liberal than the Duggars in many respects, and at their wedding ceremony the pastor spent a LONG time talking about how it is the wife’s job to “stay thin”, “always wear makeup” and “keep her looks up”, otherwise men will cheat, and basically are entitled to cheat. It wasn’t couched talk either, he straight up said women must stay skinny and pretty at all times, or men should be able to cheat. It was *insane* - but totally accepted and expected talk for a wedding ceremony.
Needless to say, the congregation probably heard me and DH’s jaws drop at that!!!
So yes, I’m sure that no matter what PR-spin the Duggar’s come out with publically, she already knows that his cheating is her fault and that she needs to be a better wife.
It's just so sad, but then again, I think she buys into it as well, and at some point my sympathy for adults making the same decisions and brining up children in those same beliefs ends.
cantaloupe / 6751 posts
*raises hand* I am one of those people who LOL-Ed and rolled her eyes when this story broke. I'm not "happy" or "rejoicing" (doesn't really affect me much since it's not my life) but I do find it amusing and extreeeeeemely hypocritical that a person who has spent so much energy campaigning for FAMILY VALUES AND MORALS would have signed up for an affair site. Do people not see the disgusting hypocrisy in this?!?! I don't get it.
And as to the question of whether people would be reacting the same way if Obama's name was on the list - personally, I don't think you can compare because Obama hasn't spent his adult life preaching about his superior family morals. I think a more comparable analogy would be if Michelle Obama was caught being part of an all you can eat fast food club or something. I think the reason people are SMHing is because this (family values, morals) is something he spent a ton of energy and spoke publicly on.
apricot / 347 posts
@yoursilverlining: From what it sounds like, the grandmother's house was the one that they were living in while in AK. They didn't actually own their own home apparently. I think Ben and Jessa live there now. Regardless, it's pretty messed up. Besides, a real legit celebrity would have a PR person denying allegations. Nobody will believe Josh if he says he didn't do it. That being said, he's probably guilty.
cantaloupe / 6751 posts
@plantains: thank you
Why does this guy deserve criticism for what he did? Well, because he has made statements like these: "“I believe strongly, being the oldest of 19 kids and counting that you know marriage is central to the family and every single child deserves a mother and father,” said Duggar. “And I'm sure grateful for my parents and I'm grateful for my wife and we have our fourth child on the way due in July, and I think it's just such a blessing when you see family and you see that you can honor each other.” (Source: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/lauretta-brown/josh-duggar-being-oldest-19-kids-and-counting-i-believe-every-single)
When you have made statements like that, in public, and it is discovered that you joined and paid for a website that promotes extramarital affairs ... Well, hypocrite doesn't even begin to describe it.
cantaloupe / 6800 posts
Maybe he should meet up with Bristol Palin, as neither of them seem to give a crap about what they advocate for.
I'll admit, I used to watch the Duggar show. I thought they were nice good people. I started reading more online about them and just got the creeps. It's sad the way the women are treated and I feel so, so bad for his poor wife.
wonderful clementine / 24134 posts
Here is their family statement.
This is so gross:
http://www.duggarfamily.com/2015/8/statements-from-jim-bob-and-michelle-duggar-and-josh-duggar
apricot / 347 posts
Oh dear. There you have it: it's all true. How sad for his wife and children. At least he admitted that he was being a hypocrite.
cantaloupe / 6800 posts
@T.H.O.U.: So, why mention pornography lmao? Was that a confession that he actually met someone from the site? You can join a dating site but not actually hook up with anyone, I'm glad he didn't try and go that route!
hostess / wonderful apple seed / 16729 posts
@T.H.O.U.: What?!?!!!
I was so expecting for him to deny it.
Let me pick my jaw off the floor.
apricot / 347 posts
@MrsTiz: Maybe he doesn't want anything else to come out in another few months. If he's like "yeah I'm also a member of a bunch of porn sites", it could spare his wife and kids from more pain later.
nectarine / 2641 posts
I can't believe he admitted it. Oh my...
Poor Anna. I always liked her. (And even if I didn't, I'd still feel for her...)
persimmon / 1385 posts
Gosh darn it. It keeps giving me an error . I want to read the dang thing!
wonderful clementine / 24134 posts
@bluestriped bee: Yes. I was expecting some talk around the truth statement.
wonderful clementine / 24134 posts
@MrsTiz: He does say: I have secretly over the last several years been viewing pornography on the internet and this became a secret addiction and I became unfaithful to my wife .
hostess / wonderful apple seed / 16729 posts
@BadgerMom: I took a screenshot because I had a feeling it might crash the site once the news broke.
apricot / 347 posts
@BadgerMom:
ETA: Bluestriped Bee got it all in there so I deleted mine.
persimmon / 1071 posts
@Littlebit: Oh gawd, your post prompted me to look some up, sooooo funny! Bahahaha.
persimmon / 1385 posts
@bluestriped bee: @Mrs. Peanut: Thank you!!!
Ugh. Just ugh. So much for all that "rehabilitation" he went through... Surprise. Surprise.
I feel so bad for his wife. I hope she doesn't feel responsible, but from all the other things they (and people like them) have said regarding this kind of stuff, I imagine she does.
wonderful clementine / 24134 posts
@BadgerMom: I do feel the worst for his wife. From what I know about their culture/religion, she probably wouldn't divorce him but I think she absolutely should separate from him and take the kids for a bit.
She was open after the first thing that she knew about it when she married him but I'm guessing she didn't know about this.
pomelo / 5084 posts
pomelo / 5678 posts
Hm. I find it troubling when people view things as responsibility on God, instead of themselves. Like, I'm a sinner, only God can help... but then is it God's fault if you are unfaithful in your marriage? Maybe you need to address some of your issues with therapy, or an addictions counselor, or counseling with your spouse. It just seems a little superficial to think God will just fix your problems without you investing in fixing them- I mean you are still you, you have to do it. Maybe you are just doing something that isn't right and you need to address it. The whole thing is reminiscent of ... acting like he's a naughty boy who ate too much pie. Well... no, it isn't hunger or the devil that made you do it, maybe you need to address your psychology.
Anyway, that's my ramble. Gross. There is a bias in US against conservative Christians, apparently, I was just reading about it. They are the second largest group that gets treated with bias. I think it is gross and unideal no matter who is doing it.
grapefruit / 4045 posts
@Greentea: Oh wow. Did Josh Duggar blame God for his own actions? I must have missed that part.
pomelo / 5678 posts
@agold: that's just the impression I get, or maybe my misunderstanding.
pomelo / 5220 posts
sigh... SMH. He is a sexual deviant preaching to the world about how other people should act. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!!
grapefruit / 4045 posts
@Greentea: Ahh... I see. I didn't get that impression at all. Maybe from the preface by his parents, stating that they continue to place their trust in God. Josh Duggar fully called himself out as a hypocrite. Easier to do once you've been caught, but he didn't deny it or hide. He even admitted to more stuff he'd done! Its too bad all around.
pineapple / 12802 posts
@T.H.O.U.: huh. Honestly, the thing I don't like about this is that he's blaming his porn addiction for cheating on his wife. That's not how porn works buddy. Watching porn to jerk off and actively seeking an affair are not one and the same.
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