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They amended it! It does not reference pornography anymore.
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Yuck. So so yuck. It just always seems like the people throwing the biggest stones, always live in glass houses. I'm glad he admitted it. I still can't imagine she'd leave him. What would she do? Her parents must be thrilled that they basically arranged that marriage. Ew. I feel terrible for those adorable kids.
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@Greentea: I'm curious about the bias against conservative Christians. It's not that I don't agree, but I'm wondering who's putting that out there especially the second largest group statistic. Was that an actual scientific study?
@travellingbee: That's what kills me. It's one thing to throw big stones, but if you live in a glass house (which it seems most of the big stone throwers do) then STFU! Is it really that hard?
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@.twist.: True dat.
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@mrs.shinerbock: Where is the amended statement?
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@.twist.: that stuck out to me, too -- the wording: "I became unfaithful" makes it seem like he's still not taking responsibility for it, like it was some unavoidable evolution from the porn watching. Nope, not how it works.
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@mrs.shinerbock: @agold: OMG! They did remove the pornography part from his statement. Good thing I got a screenshot of it before they removed it.
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@MrsSCB: I took "ive become unfaithful" to mean he cheated on his wife. What more could he have said? Shares the sordid details of the affair? (Maybe his side beef will write a book!)
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@agold: if you click through the link that was posted, it now does not match the screenshot that bluestriped bee posted. They took out the sentence about pornography and the sentence about his previous transgressions at 14-15.
The whole text of it is in the People link that lawbee posted
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@MrsSCB: @agold: I'm not defending him but I know some people think looking at porn is cheating. So maybe he thinks he was being unfaithful by looking at porn. He doesn't admit he had an affair. Though, he did pay for that affair guarantee. I guess we'll see if one of the ladies he had an actual affair with comes out and admits it.
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@bluestriped bee: well, porn and ashley madison are also not the same. AM is a website designed exclusively to discretely cheat on your partner. He even had an "affair guarantee" for his account. That is not looking at porn. That is not "oops, I cheated on my wife by looking at porn".
ETA: All that to say, I'm still not buyin' it.
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@.twist.: oh, thanks. I kinda knew that and that does makes sense now. Signing up for a porn website is different from an AM account. I see...
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what bothers me is his asking for forgiveness "humbly", as if he realized the error of his ways. But really he just got caught.
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@BadgerMom: I will try to find the article, I believe it was...
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@agold: no, it was the wording "I became" makes it almost sound inevitable, like, "oh first was the porn and then it was just a natural progression to cheating." It just strikes me as an odd choice of wording, very passive vs. "i was unfaithful."
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@californiadreams: Very true. You'd think if I was really sorry or had a real interest in coming clean this would have been something that he would have at least brought out to his family after the last scandal. But from their statement I don't think they had any idea until last night.
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I wonder if he mentioned pornography because that was the gateway drug to a full-blown sex addiction. If that is the case, it is very sad indeed. It still makes him a hypocrite, but I do feel for their family. Theirs wouldn't be the first to be destroyed by such a demon.
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@.twist.: @agold: @mrsscb:@bluestriped bee: For some people, it can be the start of something that gets much, much worse. But that has less to do with porn than an underlying, unaddressed addiction issue.
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@LovelyPlum: I never said otherwise. I'm not debating the fact that some people consider porn cheating. I'm clarifying that Ashley Madison is a dating website for married people/people in relationships who do not want to get caught cheating. It is designed to provide an affair service. That there is a difference between masturbating while watching a video and actively seeking out someone, other than your spouse, to bone. Josh Duggar having an account on AM means he was actively looking for someone to commit adultery with.
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What an asshole.
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@LovelyPlum: I can understand what you're saying about the possible addiction aspect. However, if that were the case, I would have hoped he'd have enough sense and humility to then recognize that something like this can happen to ANYONE regardless of religion or moral beliefs and wouldn't have gone on trying to force his "superior morals" on others. That was a choice that he easily could have made. And he didn't. To me that says something about how much guilt he truly feels about it.
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@travellingbee: Wow, right?
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@Mrs. Pen: I agree. He's a screwed up jerk who has messed up his many people's lives. I don't think that's anything to be happy about.
It's like when a Republican lawmaker gets outed as gay and people think it's awesome because he campaigned against gay rights. Um, what? Everyone has the right to come out when/as they choose. And people who advocate against themselves obviously have some big baggage going on, which I don't think is funny.
Or when people make priest/sex abuse jokes. I just don't find that amusing, even if you are making fun of the perpetrator, not the victim.
I don't feel sorry for him that he got caught. But I do feel so sorry for his family and the public ridicule they are facing.
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@jedeve: exactly, I feel like you said it way better than I could!
I'm glad it was outed for his wife's sake, but he ruined his family, and Anna cannot even deal with this on her own because she's a somewhat public figure. I could never be any form of "happy" to see a family completely destroyed.
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@.twist.: Oh, I wasn't saying that porn = AM. I know that's not true. I just wanted to add that both could be true, that he got hooked to porn because he had underlying addiction issues, and that AM was an escalation of that same, underlying, unresolved issue. That's all. I don't think we disagree. He still has to take responsibility for his actions, either way.
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@IRunForFun: I do have an issue with his sense of superior morals, but it doesn't necessarily surprise me that he led a double life. A lot of addicts do. Addiction is nothing if not a sin of pride.
I guess what I'm saying is that I don't know if he is an addict or not. He could be, or he could just be trying to save face. If he is an addict and wants reform, I hope he finds it. As for his wife, I hope she knows that she has options and that she deserves better than to be lied to. If she stays, I hope it is with someone who actually wants to change. Otherwise, I hope she leaves.
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@jedeve: well said!
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I AM SHOCKED. (i am not shocked).
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@Mae: LOL. (really, I actually laughed.) This is pretty much exactly how I feel.
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I pray that his "precious" wife and kids leave his sorry ass behind...
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@Mae: I laughed out loud, too.
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Anna's brother Daniel wants Anna to move out with her kids to his house until Josh gets the help he needs. Calling Josh a "pig".
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@.twist.: this is great! I hope her siblings convince her. I can't believe her parents want her to stay...
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