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@MrsMccarthy: Well I think even before people read the article they got defensive, because the title of the post was already telling them how they should feel about this.
I think a question mark would have done wonders, actually!
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@blackbird: It's like when my DH tells me to relax when I'm angry! lol
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@MrsMccarthy: I think people would be less likely to say "eff this article it's stupid," and more likely to take a thoughtful approach if their backs weren't already up based on the thread title.
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@mrbee: I agree don't do anything about the inflammatory people because in the end I don't think anyone on here is that bad.
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@mrs. pen, BAHAHA
@wonderstruck, I KNOW! Thankfully DH never says that to me, he just pours some wine and waits for the steam to stop billowing
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I would agree that there have been several threads like that recently so I've been posting less or keeping responses on the vague side because it's not my style to constantly be adding qualifying statements to my thoughts.
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@blackbird: haha I think you meant Mrs. Jump Rope but I'll take being laughed at any time
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I kind of feel like maybe people are being a little too sensitive if they're taking offense to the title of a thread being "All plastic is bad. This is very concerning..." and then in the thread, she linked an article. She read the article, formed an opinion on plastic, and then posted about it. Why should she have had to make her opinion on plastic a question so as to not offend anyone? I use plastic too, but I didn't read that title and immediately assume that I was going to be judged for using it!
(I'm scared to hit submit for fear of being judged or offending people now...)
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@mrs. pen, yes yes. Too lazy to click back to the other page
ALL THESE THREADS MAKE ME WANT TO DRINK
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@blackbird: same. Eff that noise. Do people actually care what other people do? Do I just live in a don't give a fuck bubble?
I mean REALLY.
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I do think in some cases people are being too sensitive. But at the same time, I think people don't always think about how what they're saying may be interpreted. For example, the other day someone asked for yogurt suggestions for a toddler. We give D plain Greek yogurt, mostly because I don't want to give him the sugars. But I suspected that if I worded it that way, it could be taken as offensive by someone, even thought I would not have meant it that way at all. Lo and behold, someone posted that same response, and a few people got offended by it.
I think Mommy Wars are real. I think they are perpetated by mainstream media. And I think we are all super-sensitive to it and in trying to "avoid" them, I think sometimes we jump to our own defense too quickly.
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@Mrs. Jump Rope: EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY.
who gives a shit?!...
and what's the pt of starting a thread like this?!?!?!
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@Adira: I guess I just don't see what the point is of posting an article when you've already made a decision about it and don't really want to hear anyone else's opinion, which certainly seemed to be the case.
I'm a bit baffled by the posts saying that people hate how they feel like they hate having to explain their opinion or word things carefully so that others don't get offended. I mean, how do you interact with people in the real world? If I'm sharing an opinion about a parenting decision with a friend who I know disagrees, of course I'll word it carefully so that I don't hurt her feelings. That seems like it's just the decent thing to do, not some annoying unnecessary thing.
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@blackbird: Heavily.
There is another option that people seem to be forgetting: Just don't read/respond to a thread that annoys/offends you. Case in point - plastics thread. I could tell just by the title that that was going nowhere good. You can choose not to engage.
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@Mrs. Jump Rope: would that be a *plastic* bubble?
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@Adira: The title of the thread didn't bother me either.
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I agree with @MsLipGloss: .
I think there has always been a distinct line down the middle of two groups on here. One side being the 'crunchy moms' and the other being, well 'the others'.Those, like myself, that didn't cloth diaper, BF, babywear, cosleep and now not use plastic and so on.
Now that's not saying either 'group' is better than the other.
But, if what I believe and/or do is being talked down about in a round about way then I'd take offense. I would imagine that would be pretty much anyone's reaction.
I don't think it's a 'Mommy Wars' situation or even that people need to lighten up.
It's the internet.....I mean it's not that serious.
No one on this site has been just flat out nasty and bashed any specific parenting choice.
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@MsLipGloss: no.
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Honestly I didn't see the problem with the plastic thread. The title is attention grabbing in a way similar to news articles, it made me click on it and tbh I couldn't care less about plastics at the moment. Then @MrsMccarthy: shared the article and her response to it, a great way to get a debate going! If we didn't have a variety of opinions, this site would be very boring indeed. As long as it isn't a direct personal attack I think it's fine.
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@Adira: @mrsjazz: I wasn't offended either
@mrsjyw: But really, what's the point of many of the threads on this board? To encourage discussion, etc
I'm with @septca: in that I tend to avoid some of the threads with which I know I don't really want to engage.
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@Snowdrop: Agreed!
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Are we fighting about fighting?!
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@oliviaoblivia: YES. THIS!~ @theotherstark: .. discussing on that original thread the OP is referencing is one thing. Opening a thread to bitch about bitching, exhaustion.
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@Mrs. Jump Rope: haha, I must be in that bubble too
@oliviaoblivia: +1
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I personally feel like this thread is getting very two sided in a way that makes me a little sad because it feels so un-HB like. If I personally don't like what someone has to say, I just stay away from them and their threads. And threads where I feel like I'll get riled up, I just step away. This is just an internet forum, and I guess things shouldn't be taken too seriously or too much to heart.
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Call me insensitive but I guess I just think even if I HAD intended to make a blanket statement like ALL PLASTICS ARE BAD, it isn't something that people should get so offended by. If it said ALL PEOPLE WHO USE PLASTICS THROW THEM OUT OR YOU ARE BAD. I can see that but I wouldn't be offended by an article titled ALL VACCINES ARE BAD. I would respond constructively and strongly disagree but I wouldn't be personally offended or dismiss the article on the sheer basis of that. Its an annoying title dont get me wrong and Again I didn't intend it that way but I feel like saying I had people's backs against the wall or was judging seems a bit dramatic to me. I really never intended it to be taken so personally. It surprised me.
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@oliviaoblivia: u mad bro?
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@oliviaoblivia: hahahah a OMG I know! It's so nuts how deep we fall in.
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@Boogs: +1
@mrsjyw: True. Although I guess I just don't really care? Haha. There are just so many random threads on here that I'm like, eh, another one. Then again, I mostly stick to the TTC board, so I think I miss a lot of the drama/exhausting threads
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@oliviaoblivia: I
Ned Stark so much...
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@theotherstark:
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ETA: Will save for a wall post.
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@theotherstark: lol! That particular picture is of Boromir, from lord of the rings! (I hope I am not just stating the obvious?)...
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@Crisark: see I find the whole term crunchy moms annoying and then would someone be offended if I called the flip side yuppie moms? I mean I guess you could argue that both in the extreme could fall into that category but it really does over simplify. Again I am not at all offended. Just stating how those terms makes me feel.
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@.twist.: Haha, I know (Well, I at least suspected, due to the much younger face and clothing. Um, and the fact that he's actually smiling....
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@MrsMccarthy: You're really not getting it...you say it's nuts how deep we fall in, and that people are reacting too strongly, but hello? Pot, meet kettle. Look who started the freaking thread.
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@theotherstark: haha, ok! I just wasn't sure! Not that it matters.
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@MsLipGloss: I never insisted that people who differed from me were less processed or informed. I only insisted that weighing in on something calling it meaningless without examination didn't seem quite right or wise to me and I think that's fair. Or it's as fair as the persons weighing in. And again I think I looked at myself too and questioned myself whereas some others did not.
In the end really all things are fair. I'm not even trying to say I wasn't being judgmental. I just think we all were in a way and had to be. Then it got off topic and became more about who was offensive than plastic and that's when I started feeling exhausted.
Even this thread has gotten a bit heated I see and thank god for all the people posting funny photos and quotes to lighten it up.
I'm as annoyed at myself as anyone for taking the bait. It feels like we get into a sea of Rocky's saying "He drew first blood!"Maybe it's just so silly to get so upset or react so badly on either side.
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@wonderstruck: I'm including myself in there. I think it's human nature. I don't feel bad about it and I don't feel above it.
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@.twist.: haha!! I love that you pointed it out
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