honeydew / 7504 posts
Chris Wallace just called him President Trump an my stomach just heaved.
eggplant / 11716 posts
And there it is, Trump's last paragraph: African Americans have no education, and no jobs.
Idiot.
wonderful pea / 17279 posts
Has he not learned? Trump's close is not going to win over new voters.
honeydew / 7504 posts
@ShootingStar: Holy crap, I missed the beginning of the debate so I didn't get your #badhombres reference. I just saw it. REALLY?!
coconut / 8472 posts
I just read a great line in a Slate article - "Trump, meanwhile, seemed to confuse partial-birth abortions with Cesarean sections." Spot on.
grapefruit / 4418 posts
@Anagram: and only AA and Layinos live in the inner city apparently. #whoknew #mindblown. What a little f--- he is.
And Trump supporters are pissed Clinton wasn't wearing a flag pin. Really?! No but seriously, really?!?
pineapple / 12566 posts
Ladies, I slept through the debates but caught up here first before I go off to read the press. Loved the play by play!
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
It was so hard watching the panelist on CNN after the debate. Those two Trump apologists are just as crazy as he is!
cantaloupe / 6171 posts
This is hilarious: nastywomengetshitdone.com redirects to Clinton's campaign site
pear / 1593 posts
And of course this morning my Facebook feed is scattered with shared pictures discussing that Clinton thinks it's ok to kill babies days before they are due to be born. 🙄 So that's the only take away my scary conservative relatives got from that debate - Trumps very loose language without context
hostess / wonderful grape / 20803 posts
PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTIONS ARE NOT A THING. Seriously. Stop with the scare tactics. Dr. Hern runs the "late term" abortion clinic in CO. His cut off is 36 weeks, 0 days. There is no ripping a live baby from the womb. When will people actually try and educate themselves about this?
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
@winniebee: If they educated themselves, then they'd have to start feeling sympathy for those that have been put in these horrible positions where they have to make this heart-wrenching decision, and they definitely don't want to do that!
pomegranate / 3127 posts
@Adira: ugh, Clinton could have really done a better job answering the abortion question. If I didn't know what kind of situations she's talking about... I suppose quite a few people who have had the good fortune not to face a devastating diagnosis late in pregnancy have no clue, and so are horrified by anyone defending late term abortion.
pomegranate / 3127 posts
@nana87: hahaha I love that!
And really... nasty woman??? Is this a first grade playground fight?
eggplant / 11824 posts
@Adira: agree with you completely! And then they might be challenged to admit that it's not a black and white decision. Trump's words last night on abortion were disgusting and very disappointing, but not surprising. Lies get the base all riled up to defend babies (until they are born).
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
@Mama Bird: She probably could've been clearer, but I do feel like she's the first person to really put it in terms of receiving horrible news about your pregnancy late in the game and that it's a heart-wrenching decision that the government should stay out of.
persimmon / 1431 posts
I forget who it was, but we head a Trump supporter here. I'm curious if she still supports him.
cantaloupe / 6059 posts
@Pumpkin Pie: I have a relative who is still voting for Trump. I texted her last night after the debate to see what she thought and this is what she said:
"You know what? He's not even pretending to be a polished politician, which therefore leaves him open to sounding just like a normal person, which a lot of people don't like. There's always stuff to find fault with. But despite his imperfections, I just think he's better than Hillary. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. Neither one is perfect, that's for darn sure."
wonderful pea / 17279 posts
@Mama Bird: I agree she could have been more clear as to why late term abortions are necessary, although I doubt that would sway a pro-life advocate.
What's with the rigged system stuff? Dead people are still on the voter rolls, but that doesn't mean they are voting.
hostess / papaya / 10540 posts
@coopsmama: I know ppl, too. It blows my mind.
@Mrs. Pickle: Oh man I so want those!
eggplant / 11824 posts
@Pumpkin Pie: The people I know who support Trump do so in part because they so blindly hate Hillary. There is absolutely nothing he could do or say that would change their minds. It's sad, because it's so irrational. It's not based on policies or anything outside of ragey hatred for anything Clinton.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
@yoursilverlining: That's the same for the people I know who support Trump too. They don't like the majority of what he is saying, but they do think he'll be good for the economy, and they just HATE Hillary.
pomelo / 5298 posts
I need some fiscal conservative (not a religious conservative), to help me understand why Republicans are so opposed to abortion or even late term abortion. Is this purely a religious issue for Republicans? I lean conservative and I can't get behind the Republicans on this one. It makes me all sorts of ragey and frustrated.
persimmon / 1431 posts
I also know some who are Trump supporters and their reason for supporting him is also because they hate Hilary. But I honestly just don't understand all the hate on her.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
@MamaG: The fiscally conservative people that I know that are Republican aren't opposed to abortions at all. They don't think we should overturn Roe v. Wade or the right for gays to marry. But it's also NOT a priority for them. Fiscal responsibility and smaller government are MORE important to them and they believe the Republicans side with them on that.
I think in an ideal(ish) world, there would be three parties. The Religious Conservatives, the Fiscal Conservatives, and Liberals (or maybe we'd break Liberals up too, though I'm not positive on that one). Most of the fiscal conservative Republicans I know really wish Republicans would stop focusing so much time on abortion and gay right issues.
hostess / wonderful grape / 20803 posts
I know two people (on FB, not people I see regularly) who are Trump supporters. Two loathe Hillary, and the other is a woman in her 30s and I can't really figure out why she supports him, though I also haven't asked.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
@MamaG: I'm not a Republican, but I'm under the impression that most political Republicans oppose abortion because they need to appeal to the religious conservatives that are part of the Republican base. If they came out as pro-choice, they wouldn't get enough Republican voters to vote for them, since that is an issue that is sooooooo important to many of the religious conservative group.
hostess / wonderful grape / 20803 posts
So I'm curious for conservatives who don't support Trump - are you writing in? Going w/ Gary Johnson? Voting for Hillary? Not voting? Totally curious.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
@winniebee: I don't think we have a lot of Republicans on Hellobee, but I think a few of them have said they'll vote for Hillary to keep Trump out of power, and some have said they'll vote third party or just not vote.
pomelo / 5298 posts
@Adira: It's hard being a Republican, when you aren't of the religious right.
It's so confusing to me that so many people are so vehemently opposed to abortion, because it's against God's will. But those same people want all the guns to protect themselves. Because shoot to kill anyone that tries to harm is okay? An eye for an eye, I don't recall that being God's will isn't it something about love thy neighbor as thyself?
And yes to same sex marriage issues... clearly that's a matter of religion too. And do these people not get that our forefathers left their homes for religious freedom. And our forefathers sought separation of church and state. Why!?!?
Sorry, I'm ranting. I'm not at all in Camp Hillary, but the current Republican party disgusts me so much.
pomelo / 5298 posts
@winniebee: Honestly, I'm still wholly conflicted. I don't want to "waste" my vote in way of voting for Johnson or a write-in. I also don't think not voting is appropriate. But I'm equally disgusted with both candidates for differing reasons. I'm very anxious to see if Texas stays a Republican state in this election. I know so many people in my shoes. And normally I would be passing political signs in abundance on my daily drive. I saw my first Hillary yard sign this week. And it's the ONLY sign I've seen at all.
wonderful cherry / 21504 posts
@Adira: I think you just described almost all the republicans I know, at least in MA. But in states like ours, it's never going to vote republican. To win an election they have to win the red states and swing states and my impression is that the red states have more religious / social conservatives.
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