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@winniebee: @Adira: @MamaG:
So I lean Republican, and I am religious... But it is very hard to identify as an actual Republican b/c I am pro-choice, etc and a lot of their religiously conservative stand points outrage me too. I guess I identify more as a fiscally conservative too then?
I've been wondering how to vote also; where I live it really doesn't matter who I vote for. I think going forward, I need to educate myself better on the local political scene and get more involved in the state/local level to see if there are people that will align more with what I believe in, and care more about people that actually make things happen.
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@Foodnerd81: Yeah, MA republicans aren't like the rest of the party around the country.
@Adira: Socially liberal (or socially agnostic) and fiscally conservative would technically be Libertarian.
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Based on what I see from people on my FB feed that support Trump, the reason is immigration. They believe that immigrants are taking all the jobs, making the country unsafe, etc, and that Trump will put in place policies to prevent this from happening. They want an America for Americans, no one else.
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@ShootingStar: Yup, I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I identify (personally and when I take all those various quizzes such as isidewith.com) as a Libertarian. I've never actually voted Llibertarian though and the current candidate doesn't know what Aleppo is soooo.... not really sure what good it does for me to have identified my proper party. I suppose a lot of people are feeling that way right now.
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@ShootingStar: Thanks for the clarification! If only the rest of the Republicans that are fiscally conservative and socially liberal would join the rest of the Libertarians, maybe that could become the next major party.
@looch: I don't understand this anti-immigrant view. We all immigrated here, except for the Native Americans! Who are we to keep people out?
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@LBee: Have you seen the John Oliver episode on 3rd party candidates? It won't give you any more confidence in Gary Johnson.
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@looch: same here, but they want an America for white male Americans. They also think Trump is great because he isn't a politician and has his own money so naturally that means he isn't corrupt. They think he will run the country like his "great" business.
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@catomd00: I could get behind the ideal of having someone in office that isn't a career politician. And I'm not totally opposed to someone that has been successful in business as I fall on the fiscal conservative side of things. But, I've yet to see Trump surround himself with great advisors that can help him navigate the political arena where he lacks experience and intelligence. I'm not sure why the people who use this as their logic don't see the same. At the end of the day, our President has to play well with all of the other politicians on the hill and around the world. Trump becoming a politician and being successful without surrounding himself with strong advisors to navigate the process will be a failure. Much like if anyone of us decided to make a drastic career change without adapting to the new career. I'm an accountant, I would not make a good social worker without significant coaching!
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@Adira: Agreed, but I think for some people, they've been in the US for so many generations, that they are Americans.
My parents weren't born in this country, but I was and when people ask me, I say I am American.
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@looch: Oh yeah, I understand that completely! My family has been here for generations, so we just view ourselves as Americans too. BUT we recognize that almost all of us immigrated here at one point or another, so to look at immigration as some sort of negative thing in and of itself is just crazy to me.
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@Adira: I don't think it is unique to Americans. Europe has a similar situation. I think it stems from the difference between ethnicity and nationality. Political drawing of lines around groups of people has long caused issues, wars even.
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@catomd00: yes, agreed!
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@winniebee: Most of my conservative friends want to vote 3rd party or abstain. However, they're are scared of a Hillary win, as well, so they are unsure, especially if they're in a swing state. But I think most have decided to go 3rd party (for those that I know). I think the Trump tapes REALLY pushed them over the edge.
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@MamaG: same here! In theory, I'd love to see someone who's not a politician in office, though I'd worry about their ability to not be eaten for breakfast by the system (unless they're seriously nasty people
) And being a successful businessman does say something about one's skills.But this "successful" businessman got his money (and his tax accountants) from daddy, bankrupted several businesses, and seems to be afloat financially mainly thanks to his business losses being bigly tax deductible, and to some very smart contract writing that gave him steady profits even if the business was going underwater and firing regular folks left and right. I don't think his business practices are that different from how the government is currently run. No thank you!
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#TrumpBookReport is trending on Twitter. Funny stuff! A couple of funny ones:
The Hunger Games are rigged, folks. Everyone knows Katniss won because she played the woman card. Nasty woman. Very rigged. #TrumpBookReport
Les Miserables, of course they are miserable, the inner city is a mess folks, believe me. People stealing bread everywhere. #TrumpBookReport
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@looch: @Adira: I heard this interesting story on NPR about immigration (both in Europe and the US, though a little more focused on the US) and how identifying the groups immigrating after you as "them" as become one of the chief ways to become an "us" and to become the "american" (or whatever country). The pretty immediate backlash the Irish gave the Chinese for example, when the Irish were certainly not welcomed here with open arms. Instead of building empathy, becoming an "us" means for many that they need to actively exclude. It was interesting and made a lot of sense.
@NCSUchick27: omg the Les Mis one. I'm dying
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@yoursilverlining: I can see that, thanks for sharing that!
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An interesting argument I saw on facebook for voting for trump was basically that the guy didn't like either candidate, but Hillary will get support from all of the democrats and be able to get more liberal policies passed, where as Trump isn't liked on either side and so policies will be made by Congress, vs. himself.
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@Adira: I think the word "immigrant" is code for "not white" and "not Christian".
) And being a successful businessman does say something about one's skills.
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