hostess / wonderful apple seed / 16729 posts
Growing up, we just had to supply our items (folders, pencils, crayons). I do know that teachers don't get paid enough and the budgets they have are always getting cut. (I'm not a teacher but a lot of my friends are.)
I do find it weird to see some items on this list but then again I don't have a LO and don't know all the changes going on in schools. I talked to my teacher friend recently about how things have changed (no homemade treats, no halloween parades, no more chalk boards but now 'smart boards'). A lot of things have changed since I was a kid.
I have contributed to some of my friends asking for donations for their classrooms. I will gladly help them out.
cantaloupe / 6164 posts
There are certain items the students are asked to bring for the classroom like tissues, antibacterial, paper towels, etc. But, actual school supplies are bought individually. There's a suggested list for each school at all of the local grocery/box stores.
pomelo / 5720 posts
A friend of mine just sent her oldest to public kindergarten and told me she spent around $100 on the classroom supplies she was asked to provide. I think that's pretty typical in our area.
apricot / 456 posts
We are one of the top nations for k12 education spending, but we are in the bottom third for math.
coconut / 8430 posts
@Skadi: Do they take into account the lower COL in some of the countries? Quite honestly, I think looking at medians would also be more productive than looking at averages.
I have read that math skills are lagging in America. I often wonder if that is not explained by teaching but more explained by American priorities and culture.
nectarine / 2641 posts
If any of you are feeling particularly generous, there's an amazing site to donate to public schools, and you can find a classroom to support in your neighborhood (or close by, at least). It's called donorschoose.org, and I used it when I was teaching. You can specify the kind of classroom you want to help (% of free and reduced lunch, etc.) and find projects that teachers need help funding. Some of them are really basic (books for the classroom), and others are a bit more of a reach. I got a few projects funded through there and it was amazing. Also, if you are a big enough donor, or the last donor on a project, you get thank you letters and photos from the classroom. There's someone in charge of verifying the projects and making sure there's follow-through on the teacher's end.
blogger / grapefruit / 4836 posts
@Skadi: that assumes the problem with our education system is the schools directly, not home life, access to medical care, poverty, etc. there are too many factors to just say that spending money isnt working.
I was a 4th grade teacher and we did ask for a box of tissues, a container of clorox wipes, and expo dry erase markers, in addition to the supplies the students would need. We also created a wish list of things that the teachers would like, but it wasnt required of every student. This would be things like sharpies, grading pens, a new pencil sharpener, etc.
Our list was not nearly as extensive as some that have been posted, and the only thing we ever ran out of before the year was over was pencils...always the pencils. I think 4th graders eat them. (I kid, i kid )
nectarine / 2667 posts
@Skadi: I want to state upfront that I'm not trying to change your mind at all, just clarifying what I said. When you said it was a difference of "curriculum & education style" I think you're referring to my statement "Other countries have vastly different schooling systems & education philosphies which plays a bigger part than money I think." Systems and philosophies are not the same thing at all as curriculum and education styles. So, we don't agree there.
Also, I looked at the spending link you gave us. That's a very interesting test and gives us a lot of information. Switzerland and Norway outranked the US in Math, yet they spend *more* money than the United States on education. The problem I have with using graphics and quick skims of global testing is that it doesn't give a full picture. Like @Mrs. Lion: said, there are many, many factors at play when it comes to education (such as home life, size of a countries population, school systems, etc). I think it's unfair to say the US is spending too much money on things that don't work - although I think it's perfectly fair to say that there are some things in the US educational system that aren't working and our impacting our students - it's just more complex than money.
coconut / 8430 posts
@Jess1483: Thanks for posting that site! I had not heard of it but it looks really cool and I am excited to pick some projects to support.
apricot / 375 posts
@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: I agree. I'm just happy they give us anything at all. Hahaha. Fortunately, my kids are older, mostly juniors and seniors, many who work after school, so they are generally respectful of the supplies and try to be as mindful as possible when using them because they understand the cost.
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
@JoyfulKiwi: I want to know what the spending entails...is it mostly teacher salaries? The reason I ask is because Switzerland has a very high cost of living, so salaries there are high, compared to what they would be in the US.
eggplant / 11716 posts
@looch: Schools spend money on everything from teacher/administrator/staff salaries, to school lunches, to clerks to do all the attendance/ordering paperwork, to extra curricular activities (financing a school orchestra or school band is extremely expensive, as some instruments are expensive--like a baritone--but a band isn't complete without it) like sports, to maintenance men and vehicles.
Just think about a typical school with a track and field--the school pays for the employees and the equipment (trucks, lawmowers, all kinds of other stuff I'm not thinking of) to maintain the courts and tracks and fields.
Schools have to pay for lunch stuff, and electricity, and maintenance and repairs on the building, plus cleaning staff. Schools pay bills for recycling and trash removal. And then of course, schools pay massive amounts for curriculum, textbooks, online databases, and equipment ranging from pens and pencils, to student desks, to computers, to smart tablets. Schools have to pay for administrators to evaluate teachers and clerks to process and organize the evaluations and certificates of the teachers.
Then there are the bus systems/staffing for that/ storage for busses/gas, etc.
The list goes on, but it's no different than running a corporation staffed by adults--many expenses are incurred.
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
This is why I think that data needs to be broken down, into categories, in order to make a valid comparison among countries. In Switzerland, for example, if you want to play in the band, you buy your own instrument. You also purchase all of your own textbooks, at every grade level. There are no buses, your commute entails walking, or taking public transportation that is paid for by your parents.
Don't get me wrong, I think music education is a great thing to have, but if I have to make a choice in having my tax dollars go to instruments for the marching band or math manipulatives, I am choosing math manipulatives. As for helping my son's teacher stock her classroom, I can look up her salary online, but I will still send supplies exactly on the list, probably more.
pineapple / 12234 posts
Yep, which is not big deal to me since it's about $30 extra a year. My sister is a teacher a puts so much of her own money into her classroom...and she can barely afford anything for herself so I keep that in mind when buying those items.
nectarine / 2667 posts
@looch: for that specific report I'd have to dig deeper and see what they say. I knew Switzerland has higher wages, but I don't know if that's included. I agree that it'd be nice to have more detailed expenditures available!
hostess / papaya / 10540 posts
Not necessarily stock, but they ask for donations. If you go to local Targets they even have shopping lists and some teachers also have their own in their classrooms.
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