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  1. Anagram

    eggplant / 11716 posts

    @JoJoGirl: my husband and I have discussed it. We don't mind if our daughter is gay at all.

  2. Doodlesmama

    coffee bean / 49 posts

    I would be totally fine with it. I just asked DH and said "well ya, I would have to be fine with it as long as he still mountain bikes."

  3. Mrs Hedgehog

    pear / 1812 posts

    I truly don't care. If she is happy, I am happy. We now that she loves my boobs so much she might be a lesbian. I will love her and be just as happy for her if she is as I would be if she isn't.

  4. mrbee

    admin / wonderful grape / 20724 posts

    @Glitter: I don't view being gay as a choice... just like I wouldn't view someone's race or height as a choice.

  5. pl0508

    GOLD / grapefruit / 4007 posts

    @Glitter: I agree. While it would not change my love for him, it is a lifestyle I can't say I support based on the Word

  6. sorrycharlie

    hostess / watermelon / 14932 posts

    I absolutely would not care if my children were gay.

    It hurts my heart to see that people still think it's a choice. Support it or not, how can you say it's a choice when you haven't lived it? Why would SO many people "choose a lifestyle" that can be so painful and so hard? I've firsthand witnessed family members struggling through YEARS of misery trying to "be straight"...it is not a choice, it is something you are born with.

  7. lilteacherbee

    cantaloupe / 6791 posts

    @sorrycharlie: +1

    DH's best friend is gay and I've seen him struggle with it (when we first met, he wasn't "out"). I definitely don't believe it is a choice. We live in a conservative area and his mother definitely had an adjustment period due to him telling her (he had previous girlfriends so I think it was a shock for her), but after a bit of time, she is completely supportive.

  8. runsyellowlites

    coconut / 8305 posts

    @Glitter: I agree.

    Loving my child is unconditional, but that doesn't mean I will/can support them choosing to live out their life in a way against God's call for them (as shown in His Word).

    Being something & choosing to live in a way against God are two very different things. I couldn't support my child being in a homosexual relationship anymore more/less than my child living in a heterosexual sexual relationship out of wedlock.

    I do agree that I don't think "being" homosexual is a choice, but do however believe it is an identity in Christ issue & embracing a sin that Christ was sacrificed for... no different than embracing any other sin that He was sacrificed for though.

    If it was something that I was faced with I would hope that I could wholly show Christ's love & navigate with His wisdom & discernment to ensure my child not feel any less loved or accepted regardless of my agreement/disagreement.

  9. JoJoGirl

    cantaloupe / 6206 posts

    I don't see how people can still think it's a choice. I just don't. If you've ever been close to anyone who has been through coming to terms with their sexuality, telling family, dealing with reactions in public, and *especially* dealing with the reaction/being ostracized from their church...to be on the receiving end of being told to 'choose' otherwise is just a nightmare. As @mrbee: said, I don't think they are any more capable of changing their height. Now changing their religion on the other hand? Sure..

    My closest friend told me how he spent years and years praying to Jesus to make him straight. Begging. His whole world crashed and crumbled and his church and family abandoned him. He eventually heard back during prayer the answer was not to ask for change, but for the strength to accept and love himself. He does now, but the damage done is practically irreparable.

  10. mrbee

    admin / wonderful grape / 20724 posts

    @runsyellowlites: I don't understand how not supporting someone for the way they were born is consistent with unconditional love? I'd love to understand your perspective, as this is something that has always confused me…

  11. runsyellowlites

    coconut / 8305 posts

    @mrbee: Well, 1. I don't think love is a feeling that is adhered to me agreeing or disagreeing to something. Me loving children has nothing to do with what they do or don't do. 2. I see my love being filled with acts of specific kindness for them individually, sacrifice, and forgiveness... all things I can do regardless of how I feel about whatever it is that they're doing and without condition on their part. It is unconditional.

    ETA: In the "Marrying outside your religion" thread I shared how my mom did this despite her very clear disagreement with me marrying G's bio -dad. It's the same thing only transferred to a different kind of situation.

  12. Lindsay05

    pomegranate / 3759 posts

    @sorrycharlie: @lilteacherbee: I agree my brother is gay. We have picture of him when he was 4 with curlers in his hair and dolls. Not to stereotype but it was kind of a sign. I do not believe he made that 'choice' at 4 years old. In fact he spent a lot of dark yrars in high school trying to be someone he was not. At 33 years old he is finally able to live somewhat comfortably.

  13. deerylou

    pomegranate / 3003 posts

    I'm really trying to be understanding and tolerant of differing opinions. However, it makes me so very sad that there is still such opposition towards homosexuality - so much so, that unconditional, parental support would be revoked by some if their child decided to love someone of the same sex.

    There are seven passages in the bible that refer to homosexuality. Seven. Compare that to the 300+ passages that speak to our responsibility to care for the poor, and fight for social justice. If we condemn homosexuality to such a degree, why not endorse slavery? Approve of women being stoned for being raped? Of course, that is "old world", and "unenlightened", correct? So, I guess we could say that being vehemently opposed to homosexuality is enlightened, forward thinking? I just can't get behind that. It's actually depressing for me.

    @runsyellowlites: I feel that they are very, very different situations. Since this post is not gold, I want to show your privacy the utmost of respect, and allow you, and only you, to speak of the attributes that your mother did not like about G's bio dad. Being (born, in my opinion) gay, and being a person devoid of respectful, kind qualities are two completely oppositional situations. To compare the two conveys to me that you view a homosexual person akin to one of vile characteristics. I very sincerely hope this is not the case.

  14. honeybear

    nectarine / 2085 posts

    I have noticed that the way this conversation often goes down on these boards follows a frustratingly typical paradigm. Someone asks this question (it's come up before), a lot of people respond with fairly predictable answers for the population of fairly affluent, college-educated moms that comment here, and then someone says "I disagree." That commenter then mostly gets dumped on, with arguments that tend to involve either a non sequitur, or betray some severe prejudices.

    I wasn't going to comment on this thread, but I don't think that a "debate" that plays out along these lines is productive. None of the comments that have challenged @Glitter or @runsyellowlites have demonstrated any real attempt to understand their viewpoint. Glitter has, in my estimation, done a superb job of explaining, as pithily as possible, the basic Christian worldview. It doesn't get much simpler than "True happiness is found in obedience to God." There is a very rich and beautiful body of thought available to anyone who is genuinely interested in exploring this idea.

    Now, since the topic du jour seems to be whether being gay is a trait or a choice, I think runsyellowlites was also pretty clear on this point. Being gay doesn't seem to be a choice any more than having brown eyes or blonde hair is, but how you live your life--whether you're gay, brown-eyed, blonde, or some or all of those things--certainly is. That distinction between traits and decisions is blithely overlooked by several of the comments above. I also note that the comment that triggered the "choice" discussion did not say that being gay was a choice, it said that she could not support the "lifestyle choice."

    I point all this out because I think it's fine to have a debate about these things, but it should actually be a debate.

    I think it's interesting to note that the way that this type of discussion starts on this board is usually not with one of the people who say they would be unhappy if their child was gay raising the topic. The intense focus on traits and labels that these types of questions involve is not consistent with the Christian world-view, which embraces the whole person.

  15. HellOnHeels

    clementine / 899 posts

    @honeybear: Just trying to understand and verify... is there really a difference between saying homosexuality is a "choice" compared to the "lifestyle choice"? If one is homosexual, what is their choice in the matter? That they actually find someone of the same sex and "choose" to have a romantic relationship with them?

  16. runsyellowlites

    coconut / 8305 posts

    @deerylou: Choosing to act kindly & sacrifice for my children despite how I feel about their actions is the same thing, even if the circumstance it incredibly different. Yes I'm talking about their specific actions (being in a homosexual relationship), not how they identify with themselves in any manner. FWIW G's dad was alot of things he chose to be, but being an alcoholic/addict wasn't one of them (I'm sure most agree addiction isn't a choice, and no I'm not implying I think being homosexual is a sickness... to clarify, just showing that not all aspects of G's dad were a "choice").. did she like that about him, no... did she act kindly & support me through choosing him despite that, yes.

    Tbh this subject is something I vary rarely comment on though as I don't expect to change anyone's opinion or for them to agree with mine, nor do I think arguing the difference in conviction to be productive. The OP asked what I, as a parent, would think in the given circumstance & so I shared that.. I also shared that despite my disagreement I would hope that I could act in a way that wouldn't push my child to feel isolated or unloved. I also don't think there is anything wrong with honestly sharing my perspective given that's what was asked for or that it needs to be disputed simply b/c it's not the same as others.

    @honeybear: thank you.

  17. JoJoGirl

    cantaloupe / 6206 posts

    @honeybear: I was with you until the part about 'being gay isn't a choice, but how you live your life is' - how are they different?

    Also to your point about the thread itself, I DO respect the answer being 'no' or I wouldn't have asked. My interest in debate goes more into why. Because someone doesn't believe it's in service of god (or the phrase you quotes, which I can't see at the moment)? Okay. I respect that. Because someone believes its a choice they don't agree with? That I am more interesting in discussing.

  18. IRunForFun

    pomelo / 5509 posts

    @honeybear: I think you make some good points and do so eloquently, but I am curious about whether you (or anyone) believes that, if someone is gay, they should completely ignore that and live a heterosexual life in order to comply with the Word? Wouldn't that be akin to being born with brown eyes and being told only blue eyes are acceptable, so you'd better wear colored contacts? It seems like asking a person to deny who they are could be very detrimental to their happiness and health.

  19. deerylou

    pomegranate / 3003 posts

    @runsyellowlites: I definitely agree that being an addict is not an active choice. While I do believe that trying the substance that first time is a choice, the downward spiral of addiction is certainly not.

    I can see why your mother was concerned, though. A very close family member of mine is an addict and I would personally be afraid of my child being with someone like them. While a good person at their core, there's a lot of abuse, manipulation, and deceit involved with that lifestyle. As a parent, dealing with abuse /addiction and homosexuality are two different bowls of fruit, at least for me.

    I may passionately disagree with your views on this one, but respect your right to have them, and thank you for responding. And with that, I am politely done with this particular thread.

  20. MsLipGloss

    GOLD / pineapple / 12662 posts

    @honeybear: No one is required to fully explain the thought process that lead them to their personal conclusion/viewpoint (and thus their answer). It's not a math class in which you only get credit for your answer when you show all your *work.* If you have questions about how someone arrived at their conclusion, ask. Otherwise, don't lament the fact that this thread lacks the debate quality that you wish it embodied. You may also find that posters are more inclined to respond with more detail when you don't universally bash them in your post and group them all together as "predictable . . . fairly affluent, college-educated moms" . . . .

    ETA: I write this as a proud member of the affluent-college-educated-and-then-some-who-don't-give-a-shit-how-much-money-you-make-or-how-educated-you-are-because-your-opinion-is-equally-valuable-regardless-of-money-or-education-moms . . .

  21. catomd00

    grapefruit / 4418 posts

    Yes, both my husband and I would 100% be okay with it. I would feel for my child since they have to live in such a hateful, ignorant world and will have to deal with some hardships that others don't. Hopefully I will have raised them to be a strong, independent, secure person with the coping skills to overcome what they might have to face. But, I would love them regardless and want nothing for them but happiness. And luckily, we live in a state in which gay marriage is legal, so at least that is one hurdle they won't have to face.

  22. boots

    apricot / 344 posts

    Absolutely, without a doubt would not care. She is entitled to love whoever she wants. My husband and I have talked about this a lot. Complete non issue.

  23. mrs. bird

    bananas / 9628 posts

    @MsLipGloss: +1!

    FWIW: i was the first one to 'dump' on the first to disagree (i thought she & i were very cordial in our disagreement, maybe i missed something) and i am not affluent, my highest level completed education is high school, and i'm not a mom, my womb is a sad barren place. guess i'm not that predictable after all. if it does take being affluent, educated, and reproducing to come to the conclusion that it's okay to have a gay child, doesn't that insinuate that those that don't think it's okay are poor, uneducated, and childless? i think i'd find that insulting.

  24. looch

    wonderful pear / 26210 posts

    I missed something, clearly...

    Anywho, I was just coming in to write that my interpretation of the difference between the choice and lifestyle choice is that while you can not choose your sexuality (the choice), your action (or non action, depending upon how you look at it) is the lifestyle choice. Basically, if you are gay, you are supposed to ignore it and be celibate. Someone please correct me if I have misunderstood.

  25. Mrs. Lemon-Lime

    wonderful pea / 17279 posts

    I would not have an issue with a gay child. In fact I hope mybgay child reaches his/her sexual orientation comclusion faurly early in life as not spend years in confused anguish.

    For those who would not be accepting of their child I really hope that would not manifest itself in shunning their child. Rejection from your parent for any reason is cruel.

    @Glitter: @runsyellowlites: @coacheswife123: How do you plan to show your child you dislike they are gay? How would you treat them after coming to grips they are in fact gay? (I say coming to grips because some people come out of the closet and its a shock, while for others being gay was clearly no secret). Would you disown them? Send them for "treatment"? Would you attend their wedding or celebrate the birth or adoption of their children? Would you invite them over for holidays or attend Church service? Would you seek justice for them if they were harassed or injured for being gay? Would you bury your child?

    It's one thing to say you wouldn't like it, but it's another to stop parenting.

  26. pl0508

    GOLD / grapefruit / 4007 posts

    @Mrs. Lemon-Lime: I never said I would stop parenting my child. I also would never do any of the things you listed above. I believe that while God loves us and has the best plan for us he also equips us with our own free will. The one and only reason I take issue with homosexuality is because it is not Biblical. As long as I have done my duty and made sure my child knows that it is certainly his decision to make. While I would not support it I would love him as completely as I always have. I would attend his wedding as long as it was not in a church. I would love my grandchild with all of my heart. I would never under any circumstance disown him. I don't even know what kind of "treatment" there is but I would not look into that. I should hope he always comes over for holidays and would always feel welcome attending church services. I would indeed take issue with him being harassed or injured for being gay. I don't even know what you mean when you say "would you bury your child" but if you mean would I have a funeral service for him, of course I would.

    Literally nothing my son does would change the love I have in my heart for him. Nothing. I don't find that and my stance on homosexuality to be mutually exclusive.

    Its also not something I"m up to debate. So, I hope that answers your question!

  27. Mrs. Lemon-Lime

    wonderful pea / 17279 posts

    @coacheswife123: totally answers it. I wasn't trying to debate with you in terms of your opinion being right or wrong. I noticed you agreed with Glitter. Instead of ending with "I would not like it /agree with LO" I am/ was genuinely curious how that thought could potentially alter how one treats their child. Clearly I went to the extreme that if a parent doesn't like their LO being gay the parent will reject their child.

  28. pl0508

    GOLD / grapefruit / 4007 posts

    @Mrs. Lemon-Lime: glad I could elaborate for you !!! My son is my whole world ! Nothing could change that !!!

  29. runsyellowlites

    coconut / 8305 posts

    @Mrs. Lemon-Lime: Would you disown them? Never.
    Send them for "treatment"? Nope, while I have vaguely heard of this I think it's absurd.
    Would you attend their wedding: Honestly, right now at this moment. Idk
    or celebrate the birth or adoption of their children? Yes
    Would you invite them over for holidays: Yes, but just like my heterosexual child(ren) they couldn't stay/sleep with their unmarried partner in our home.
    or attend Church service? Yes, I would hope they would feel welcomed too having grown up in it & when visiting them I would attend their home church (given we don't live in the same place)
    Would you seek justice for them if they were harassed or injured for being gay? Definitely.
    Would you bury your child? Yes.. I'm guessing this question comes from those with WBC. I cannot stand those people! ugh

  30. Arden

    honeydew / 7589 posts

    @looch: Yeah I agree, I'm pretty sure that is what was meant here. The "lifestyle choice" being the actual act of homosexual sex. I believe what is being suggested is that all these potentially gay kids just live a celibate life.

  31. bushelandapeck

    pomelo / 5720 posts

    I would absolitely not care if he was gay. We would fully support and love him no matter what.

  32. lilteacherbee

    cantaloupe / 6791 posts

    @Arden: @looch: That's what I would assume. That's how my mom looks at it- Being gay isn't a choice, but as she puts it, "they shouldn't be proud of it" and "they should fight it."

    I honestly don't understand that.

  33. Mrs. Lemon-Lime

    wonderful pea / 17279 posts

    @runsyellowlites: WBC? I googled it Westboro Baptist?? I asked the bury question (and the rest) because I have biracial friends who never knew parts of their families because their mother or father was shunned for marrying outside of their race. When my friend's parents pass away their grandparents and other estranged family won't even be there to mourn or pay respects.

  34. runsyellowlites

    coconut / 8305 posts

    @Mrs. Lemon-Lime: Oh wow. Yea that's them & they are horrible horrible people who protest funerals of fallen service men/women & shun/disown anyone that questions their practices including their children (despite being clearly against the bible).

    That's horrible about your friend too!

  35. Mrs. Champagne

    coconut / 8483 posts

    We'd both be fine with it! Literally not something I would even think to worry about. And I think all aunts/uncles/grandparents would be very accepting too.

  36. winniebee

    hostess / wonderful grape / 20803 posts

    100% accepted and supported no matter who he loves. Of all my parenting worries, this is not one of them.

    I don't want to single any of the faith-related comments out...but I can say from personal experience being gay is not a choice and gay people don't "choose" that lifestyle. My little brother is gay - believe me, life for him would have been much easier if he was straight. He certainly didn't choose to be gay. He was not proud of it for a long time and he fought it for a long time. I'm relieved and happy that he is finally out and proud after the years of inner and outward torment that he suffered.

  37. mrs. bird

    bananas / 9628 posts

    @coacheswife123: & @runsyellowlites: I have a question, this isn't me trying to bring you to seeing things my way, I am genuinely interested because I was raised outside of any religion so I don't fully understand many concepts taught. In the Christian church the belief is that all people are created in god's likeness and if people are born gay, is god wrong for creating them that way? If it's okay to be gay and just acting on it is a sin, is it sinful for opposite sex partners to engage in oral or anal sex? If the reason it's against nature is because same sex couples cannot procreate through sex, if I'm infertile should I not be allowed to marry? Why is homosexuality found in nature if it's unnatural? What should people born gay do to avoid eternal damnation, is it considered better to mislead an opposite sex partner into marrying & procreating or should they just remain celibate until death so they could be granted entrance into heaven?

  38. winniebee

    hostess / wonderful grape / 20803 posts

    @mrs. bird: I think the theory is that people are not born gay and it's a choice....

  39. runsyellowlites

    coconut / 8305 posts

    @mrs. bird: I can't really answer right now (getting ready for an oot of town trip) but I do want to.. I'll probably wall you in the next couple of days when I can get a thought out answer together, if I did it now it'd have holes & would probably ensue more questions. lol

  40. Mrs. Jacks

    blogger / pineapple / 12381 posts

    @runsyellowlites: I wanted to ask you about this " embracing a sin".

    Aren't we all sinners? Don't we all repeat the sins that we are predisposed to on a daily basis? Don't you make the same imperfect choices to yell or tell a white lie or think impure thoughts on a daily basis?

    Let me be clear... I DO NOT think homosexuality is a sin. I would be thrilled if one of my girls married a woman, just as I would be thrilled if she chose to marry a man... We kind of secretly hoped that one of our girls would be gay, in fact.

    However, in your view, even if it is a sin, wouldn't that child be perfectly forgiven by your God because of his sacrifice? Just as you are forgiven for your daily sins? Then why make them suffer needlessly from parental judgment and the threat of God's judgment when you could be accepting and loving the way God would.

    Sadly, I think this interpretation that homosexuality is sin comes from very misguided interpretations of Leviticus and Romans. When you have the Catholic Church coming around, you've got to wonder! (Yes, I know, the Church is not fully accepting of open practicing gays and lesbians, but the Pope is now saying bring them into the tent and sort the rest out later...)

    The Jesus I've read about was quite the radical and the Beatitudes would argue that at least we as humans should love and embrace the most vulnerable and needy among us.

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