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SPOILERS: Discussion of Serial finale

  • poll: How would you vote if you were handed a jury verdict form after Serial Season 1?
    I would have voted Adnan is guilty : (1 votes)
    2 %
    Adnan is not guilty (I think he did it. but there's enough reasonable doubt that I wouldn't convict) : (15 votes)
    25 %
    I would have voted Adnan is not guilty (I think he didn't do it, but was involved somehow) : (13 votes)
    22 %
    I would have voted Adnan is not guilty (and have no idea if he was involved) : (27 votes)
    45 %
    I would have voted Adnan is not guilty (I don't think he was involved at all) : (4 votes)
    7 %
    Other (please explain) : (0 votes)
  1. littlejoy

    pomegranate / 3375 posts

    @LuLu Mom: Don told SK that he loved Hae, and still loved her.

    I hadn't thought of your last point, that Jay could have been a CI for the police. Very valid and plausible idea!! That probably would have been a conflict of interest though (if he was beforehand), but if he was willing to spill information regarding current drug crime (which he was obviously privy to), then I could see them helping him!!

  2. mrbee

    admin / wonderful grape / 20724 posts

    @LuLu Mom: @littlejoy: There was a post saying that the serial killer theory wasn't a real theory... just an excuse that the Innocence Project was using to get evidence tested for DNA!


  3. LuLu Mom

    GOLD / wonderful olive / 19030 posts

    @littlejoy: I have a hard time believing he "loved" her if they were only together for 3 weeks, I'm cynical I guess, I feel like that's the aftermath of her being taken so suddenly and maybe a wishful memory, but I could be wrong.

  4. littlejoy

    pomegranate / 3375 posts

    @LuLu Mom: Oh! For sure!!! My tone (impossible to read online) was one of question. But, he's had time to establish a position, and he probably wanted to get a word in on the podcast, and make sure he sounded good. "If I say I loved her, people will feel like I'm a good guy!". That's how I saw it!

  5. littlejoy

    pomegranate / 3375 posts

    @lawbee11: I loved this part of that article:

    "Some listeners think Hae has been obscured by the podcast’s focus on the minutia of the case, but I disagree. Between the voice of her diary and the way her friends talk about her, she has become a more vivid character to me than anyone else in “Serial.” Don’s story made me see her, joking around during the slow times in a suburban eyeglass shop, making a play for an older guy and grounded enough both to recognize his need for a little self-image pep talk and to offer one. It seems inconceivable that anyone would want to destroy a person like that. Hae, Hae: even in second- and third-hand stories, she is so strong, and so brimming with life that sometimes I forget for a moment that she’s dead. And yet that’s the only thing we really know for sure."

  6. littlejoy

    pomegranate / 3375 posts

    @mrbee: Whoa! I love that theory!! Okay, so let's say the DNA can be tested, and they get information from it. I wonder if they have DNA samples from Adnan and Jay on file already.

    If not, can Jay's DNA be obtained? I imagine they would need a warrant, and if the case isn't open, is this possible? Technically, this isn't an unsolved murder case. According to the state, Adnan is the killer. Was Jay's case dismissed? Or was he found not-guilty? Thinking of double jeopardy, etc.

    This is what my brain feels like right now:

  7. BananaPancakes

    grapefruit / 4817 posts

    @littlejoy: I really like that part of the article, as well. I know a lot of people have criticized Serial for making Hae's death fodder for our entertainment , but I thinks it helped millions of people learn about aNd care for her. I've never once forgot her in the thick of this case. I think she's the kind of girl that would want the world to know her story. But that's just my opinion.

  8. birdofafeather

    pineapple / 12053 posts

    i have no theories, but hearing the evidence laid out, it really seems like i would say not guilty for reasonable doubt. it's hard though because NOW we know that the cell phone records don't really match jay's (changing) timeline but i don't think it was spelled out that way with jurors.

  9. Foodnerd81

    wonderful cherry / 21504 posts

    I am just catching up on this-- started the series late, and caught up quickly, just listened to the last one.

    My gut feeling is that Jay and Adnan were both involved somehow, but they are covering for something else-- especially Jay. I think they were involved with someone or something really bad and their lies were to cover for that, which led to Adnan looking more guilty (and Jay pinning it on him).

    Total speculation, but what if Hae found out about Adnan's involvement in this "bad thing" (drug dealers? mafia? gangs?), confronted him, and he either killed her, or told Jay about it and Jay killed her, and they tried to cover it up?

    I also like the Jay being informant idea and the cops coaching him to make things line up for their story.

    No matter what really happened, I feel confident that he should not have been found guilty based on the case from the state and that's really really sad.

  10. Lilbear

    apricot / 450 posts

  11. mediagirl

    hostess / wonderful persimmon / 25556 posts

    I'm still stuck on why didn't Don (Hae's boyfriend) or Adnan (Hae's ex-boyfriend) try to call her after she went missing? If everyone thought she moved to California, why not just attempt to contact her? How do you go from contact all the time to 0 just like that? That I just don't get...

  12. Nskillet

    persimmon / 1099 posts

    @Foodnerd81: I think this is an interesting theory but wouldn't Adnan tell the cops about this? Like if you were being tried for murder wouldn't you give it all up?

  13. lawbee11

    GOLD / watermelon / 14076 posts

    Jay posted this on Facebook last night. It's since been taken down.

  14. blackbird

    wonderful grape / 20453 posts

    @lawbee11: interesting.....I feel like knowing you helped by burying a body probably would mess you up for life, too.

    I just finished today. So so interesting. I definirely feel like there's enough reasonable doubt that Adnan shouldn't be in prison over this...

  15. cascademom

    coconut / 8861 posts

  16. photojane

    cantaloupe / 6164 posts

    Just finished last night! So good.

    I think Jay is a big fat liar. His recent interview didn't help matters. There's no way they "buried" the body at midnight... there was a blizzard happening at that point. But, anyway... I don't believe anything he's said to anyone. He was definitely coached during the trial.

    I don't think Adnan should've been convicted either way, but my gut tells me he's innocent. I've been reading a lot about the case (has anyone else been on Reddit?) and I really think there's a good chance it was someone else. I think if Adnan was involved at all or had any information that would've prevented him from receiving a life sentence, he would've shared.

    I'm so excited to see what comes out of the DNA testing!

  17. Weagle

    coconut / 8498 posts

    @photojane: The snowstorm didn't start until 4AMish. And I'm totally hooked on the Serial subreddit.

  18. fussygal

    pomegranate / 3580 posts

    Does anyone know when they're expecting to have the results from the DNA testing? If that was said before I missed it!

  19. cascademom

    coconut / 8861 posts

    @fussygal: I think it's going to be months from now. If we're lucky, it'll be sooner especially with the heat of the podcast. I think Adnan's appeal with the help of the Innocence Project is coming up. They're using that to have DNA tested compared to the serial rapist as a way of eliminating Adnan as killer/suspect.


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