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All the wine. Three was tough. We just started the 4's. He's full of attitude these days.

My threenager is just impossible! The cheeky backtalk is other level and she absolutely 100% knows better than me about everything. She throws her rubbish on the floor (looking straight at me for a reaction), then refuses to pick it up. She puts coins in her mouth, messes about with her food and makes a huge mess because she knows these things bother me; she refuses to use the toilet then pisses herself. If you try to correct her, she announces "okay, I'll put you in the bin!" or hits/bites. Truth be known, some days she makes me so angry I'm scared I might snap and hurt her.

@Mrs D: Oh, I need to have a come to Jesus talk with my husband because he fights me on half of the things I do. We need to be a team and all he is doing is teaching her that if Mommy says no, she can get Daddy to say yes.

My daughter has started "What?"...she can hear me clear as day but she still replies with an attitude filled "what?"...UGH

@Foodnerd81: When you couple it with her 'no clue where it came from' heavy New Yorker accent it pretty much makes my blood boil when I hear it...

I think my son needs an angry mommy support group He loves to put on a circus at bedtime and then starts to cry because I give him angry looks and won't smile at him. Poor kid! I feel awful afterwards, but by 10 pm I'm fresh out of sense of humor and just need to not be followed around, climbed on, and not listened to...

@Mrs D: @Foodnerd81: I was this close to taking the kid to a doctor two weeks ago. He's started responding to everything with "what?!" and my first thought was ear infection. But he seems to be hearing fine, just trying out a new way to talk

Okay, so its 10am here and I'm already close to losing it. First, she wouldn't eat her porridge and deliberately stirred it really fast until it all sploshed out of the bowl. It took me spoon feeding her to get any into her at all, then she started spitting it out so I decreed breakfast was over.

While I was cleaning up, she opened a drawer in the living room (which she isn't allowed to go in) and helped herself to a "baby wipe to eat" (which she isn't allowed to do). So I reminded her, sternly, that she isn't allowed in that drawer, and I took the baby wipe off her. So then she started jumping on the sofa (which she isn't allowed to do). So I had to tell her off.

By this point, the baby was crying for a feed and, while I was feeding her, E went very quiet. A few minutes later, she appeared with her toothbrush and a once full tube of toothpaste, now half full and explody. I asked her to give it to me and she refused. I explained that too much toothpaste will make her poorly, but she ignored me and squeezed more out, so I had to forcibly take it off her. She threw her toothbrush across the room. Then I felt bad for not recognising how good it was that she tried.....

..... but then, when id finished feeding the baby and went to find her to make amends, I found that she had gotten hold of the diffuser air freshener and was chewing the sticks So I had to take that off her too....

......Then the postman came (they push letters through your door here). She got the letters and threw them at the baby. Told off again. Then she hit me.

I know that the problem is that she is bored. But I really, really don't want to play right now. The kitchen is a mess, the baby needs attention and we are going swimming in an hour..... Somebody kill me.

I'm joining in! My 3.5 yo is having a rough tantrum week...we flew tithe in laws on Tuesday night, arriving at 12:30am their time. She didn't sleep on the plane (told you so DH). She got up around 6. Wednesday was fun...and bedtime was late because supper didn't get on the go till late. she hasn't caught up on her sleep yet (doesn't sleep in), won't nap, and all behaviour problems are magnified. Add to that the in laws offering her treats at every turn and pulling out new toys minutes after I've said its time to get ready for bed, and I'm wiped. We need to be more consistent in our reaction to the tantrums, back talk and whining, but I haven't landed on something I want to go with! We'd been doing a Pom Pom for good behaviour system, but I need Ideas for consequences for bad behaviour. She doesn't do time out, trying to establish a time in just ramps up the tears and screaming. Lately the only thing that works is Daniel tigers "take a deep breath and count to 4" except she wants to count to 20, and we have to do it, not her. Sigh. Threenagers are fun

I reeeeeeally need this thread this week. My almost three year old DD has turned from the sweetest, nicest little muffin into a sassy demon. She has started saying "Mine is better than yours" or "my way is better than your way", and has totally stopped listening to me. If I tell her something multiple times and start to sound a little exasperated, she will tell me "SH! NO! Don't be grumpy Mommy". She also tries to put me in time out or hit me if I "disobey her"- wtf.

Lastly- how crazy of a tantrum is normal? DD will lose her mind and scream/ flail for 30+ minutes and I am worried she is going to hurt herself. I pretty much swaddle her and hold her until she passes out from exhaustion but that is driving me nuts!

@Cherrybee: ugh, that sounds awful. I don't know how you deal with that every day

@caterw: that sounds pretty normal. We've had hour long tantrums over the stupidest things imaginable, and some of it is just so intense I wonder if the kid is in his right mind. But then he gets it out of his system, and the next time we get into the same situation, I expect him to go nuts again, but he's the picture of rationality. So weird.

Oh man, this thread makes me so nervous. Mine is almost 3 and still fairly well behaved, although we can definitely see the sass and back talk starting to show up. It's gotten worse since she switched from the toddler room to the preschool room (and is now with older kids) but we've been pretty good about dealing with it so far. I just know it's going to explode all over me when LO2 arrives in December.

@Mama Bird: I just wanted to say that I feel you on bedtime. DD thinks it's funny to run away or attempt to escape my arms while I try to brush her hair. I do not have to the energy the wrestle with 40 lbs of toddler at this point and she will do it for forever. Some days I'm okay and am able to execute or typical discipline but other days I immediately jump down her throat. It's so hard. Sometimes you don't want to laugh and fool around anymore. You just want quiet!

@Mrs D: Ahh, i thought this was just me with the "What??" thing! I was seriously questioning her hearing at one point but I know she hears me when she repeats back what I said after she asks "what?"!!!

*Raises hand*
Mine too, independent, pushes every limit, tests every boundary and too smart for her own good. And man does he have a rock solid memory. Even daycare calls her the "Ring leader".

My husband has been deployed a lot this last year, and it really messes with her and she acts out. He SHOULD be home tonight, I swear I am going to pass her off to him and lock myself away for a WEEK so I can recover. LMBO. Im PG now too so its been exhausting.