I'm just exhausted. That is all.
As an aside, we swaddle-weaned this weekend as A started rolling like a MAD WOMAN Sat night and it was totally non-traumatic! She's apparently a belly sleeper! Buuut still getting up to eat every night at 2am on the dot. And 5am for the day. Boo!
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
Aww Mama, I'm sorry!!!! Not being able to get a full night's rest is ROUGH! I hope she starts sleeping longer for you soon!!! 
wonderful cherry / 21504 posts
Ugh. Baby sleep is just brutal. You can tell I understand from all my frantic baby sleep posts. It helps to know I'm not alone when I read about everyone else having issues too- at least I feel like I'm not just doing something wrong.
Does she seem really hungry at 2 am? I find if I cluster feed at night I get longer stretches but C is also not a bad night sleep- it's naps and the actual falling asleep that we have a problem with.
For now extra coffee for you!
squash / 13764 posts
eek! so sorry mama... 
hope things get better soon!!
ETA as she gets more comfy on her belly she might sleep better!
cantaloupe / 6206 posts
@Foodnerd81: No, I've tried everything and nothing I do every changes anything. She's like clockwork. She took a bottle before bed for the first time ever Sat night when my parents babysat - she drank 5 oz, they offered her 2 more and she wouldn't drink.. totally full. And up at 2am. Bah.
@Adira:
GOLD / wonderful coconut / 33402 posts
Sorry!! I was wondering how sleep was going over in your house just yesterday. Glad that the swaddle weaning went good. R loves to sleep on her belly too.
She will get there, promise. Till then load up on coffee. Hugs!
cantaloupe / 6206 posts
@hilsy85: That's what I was hoping for!!! Last night was her 2nd night without a swaddle and on her belly, up at 2 and 5. It's like she is not capable of any other schedule.
cantaloupe / 6206 posts
@Smurfette: Thanks girl. I can't deal.
In other news, anyone want to buy my never-used Merlin? 
I gotta get that on the classifieds. Sigh.
pomelo / 5621 posts
I feel for you. My guy will be 7 months next week and has only STTN once and that was a week ago. He always gets up twice and gets up at a different time every morning.
hostess / wonderful persimmon / 25556 posts
I hear ya. My 16 month old has only STTN twice in her life. At that age, she was getting up 2-3x/night. Now she gets up 1-2x.
honeydew / 7917 posts
DS1 didn't sleep through the night for a long time. He dropped to 2 wake ups around 7 months old. Before that I was waking up 3-4 times a night. It's rough, but it does get better. After he turned a year old he started to sleep through the night, and it's a great feeling. Hang in there.
GOLD / wonderful coconut / 33402 posts
@JoJoGirl: When she wakes up at 5, do you leave the lights off in the nursery? Don't change a diaper?
Have you tried a bottle a 2? Could be a comfort thing with nursing?
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
If she's waking up at 2:00 all the time regardless of what you do beforehand, it could just be a habit. One of the things the Baby Whisperer book suggested is that if you think it's a habit (they wake up at the same time), one of the ways to try to break it is actually wake them up an hour earlier to eat (so wake her up at 1:00 to eat) in order to break the 2:00 wake-up. But I didn't read a ton about that section since I was lucky enough not to have to deal with this. But it might be something to consider! On a weekend of course!
cantaloupe / 6206 posts
@Smurfette: Lol yeah, we never so much as turn on the lights or SPEAK to her before like 6:30 every day. I watched the Isis webinar on "too early morning wakings" and yeah.. no dice.
@Adira: Well, it's 1-2am every day. Once last week she got up at 3. Last night was the first time ever she dozed off mid-feed... she usually eats for a full 10-11 minutes, but last night she was out cold by minute 7 or so. Hoping this is the beginning of a night weaning process.
GOLD / papaya / 10166 posts
I'm so sorry I feel your pain. DD didn't *actually* STTN until she was a year old. I think I'll die if this baby follows in her footsteps.
pomegranate / 3983 posts
@JoJoGirl: I could have written this same post except my LO is 7.5 months! Hugs!!!
hostess / watermelon / 14932 posts
My dd is 1 and still hasn't actually slept night to morning ever. Just letting you know you aren't alone..sleep training doesn't always work for every baby unfortunately 
hostess / wonderful grape / 20803 posts
My son didn't consistently sleep through until 8-9 months. It's sucky but normal. And he woke at 5:30 on he button even when he slept through until around 12 months. Good times!
honeydew / 7444 posts
What time does she go to sleep?
If she's getting at least 6 hours of sleep, she's technically STTN. Her waking up 3-4 hours after the last wake-up is also pretty normal. 2 wake-ups were the norm in our house until about 8 months. I know that's probably not what you want to hear, but hang in there!
How long do you wait before you get her at 2am? Do you go to her right away or wait about 10-15 minutes. Have you tried dream feeds to delay the first wake-up?
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
You know my story, my son is just not a sleepy kid.
I am here if you need to vent.
grapefruit / 4066 posts
even after sleep training my LO at 6.5 months, she still woke around 1/2am and 5/6am to nurse, then gradually she just woke once a night. it sucks, but it got so much better as she got older. i remember reading in a sleep training book- i think it was weisbluth's- that until 9 months old, some babies still need to nurse up to 2x a night, so that made me feel better.
some things that helped me get through it were realizing i wasn't alone, going to bed super early even if it meant less time with DH, and just trying to let go of the notion of STTN and expect frequent wake-ups, that way when she only woke up once or twice, my expectations were lower to begin with.
pomegranate / 3895 posts
Have been wondering how things have be going for you.
We got two nights of STTN when we upped her bedtime bottle to 5 oz. but then the last two nights she's been up at 12 and 5:30 (but she goes back down until about 7:45/8:00). I know she's not hungry at 12, but she keeps turning herself 90 degrees, so that she's laying width-wise,and then getting upset that her head is scrunched up against the side of the crib. Hmph.
Glad to hear the swaddle weaning was no biggie. But sorry that you're still not getting much sleep. That sucks a lot I wish I had some magical advice I could give you.
GOLD / pineapple / 12662 posts
@JoJoGirl: ((Hugs)) and ((Hugs)) and ((Hugs)) doll. Just keep reminding yourself that it gets better. It really really does. Sometimes it is just so hard (both physically and emotionally/mentally) to accept that some things just have to be *grown* out of . . . that there is no training or fix for the situation, only coping.
I am pretty sure we have chatted about this before, so I will spare you the gory details (again!). But caffeine and streamlining (paring down my daily obligations) were things that helped me the most. Mostly the streamlining . . . the caffeine was more like an *assist*.
FWIW, my LO showed some improvement (it didn't have magical properties, but it seemed to help) when she was able to sleep on her belly.
GOLD / pineapple / 12662 posts
@NovBaby1112: I did something similar, i.e., *re-framing* my expectations to expect to have repeated wakeups so that when there were only a couple/few wakeups, it made me feel like the night was (at least somewhat) successful, and that there was *hope.* Above all things with sleep training, holding fast to *hope* is vitally important!
persimmon / 1223 posts
I'm sorry! Our LO didn't STTN until probably around 6 months and then of course teeth started coming in so it has only happened occasionally. So I guess I've just gotten used to functioning on 5-6 hours of sleep I feel your pain. It sucks
cantaloupe / 6206 posts
@Freckles: Between 7:30 and 8. I'm asleep by 9 so a dreamfeed has never made much sense (and when we tried them when she was younger, they never helped - I just ended up shooting myself in the foot staying up til 10 to do it and she slept exactly the same amount). And perhaps 8-2 is 6 hrs but sure does't feel like STTN to me 
By the time she wakes me up at 2, she's already crying pretty hard, so we haven't gone 10-15 mins. Sometimes 5 and often by that point she's hysterical. We're doing an Isis sleep consult this week and may try to CIO/wait 15 mins this weekend and see how she does, but I am super nervous.
@looch:
@NovBaby1112: Yep we may try sleep training soon, I've been hesitant before now because she's always seemed genuinely hungry, not 'nursing for comfort'.. she tends to never nurse for comfort (ie if i stick the boob in her mouth and she's not hungry, she gets pissed.. also why dream feeds have never worked).
@heartonastring: Haha yes! Since we swaddle-weaned the movement is insane! I keep finding her scrunched up into the corners. Installed the breathable bumper too because TWICE Sat night (ie first night with no swaddle) she woke up with her arm hanging out the crib slat. That just won't do.
@MsLipGloss: Thanks dear. I'm trying to let go of the idea that I have any "control" over this. I'm all for sleep training but have come to realize that it just may not necessarily work for some babies. I was WILDLY optimistic that sleeping on her belly would be the magic fix, but obviously her hours have not budged a single minute. Maybe tonight.... night 3 on her belly.... I need to stop telling myself "maybe tonight" as the crushing disappointment and frustration at 2am is really getting old
coconut / 8305 posts
Just commiserating. P has only sttn a handful of times & we're going on 18 mths. *yawn*
I promise it does end though.... G sttn just fine. lol.
honeydew / 7687 posts
@JoJoGirl: Belly sleeping took a few days to make a difference for us FWIW. Has it gotten colder where you are? We swapped to a warmer sleep sack and he's been sleeping in lately.
pomegranate / 3863 posts
I'm SO sorry!! We are at 9.5 months with not a single STTN. I can totally commiserate. I feel like a zombie and definitely not my best self. Hang in there. I wish I could say from experience that it gets better, but you'll have to take other peoples words for it!
bananas / 9357 posts
Aw I'm sorry. Hugs. I've been there and still dealing with a now 1 year old who still wakes throughout the night. Things got easier for me mentally when I just accepted I had a crappy sleeper and lowered my expectations. We ended up co-bedding because that was the only way I could get any sleep. Around 10-11 months, his sleep finally improved and by improved I mean only waking up a couple of times and going back to sleep easily. Hang in there. Sometimes all you can do is wait it out.
honeydew / 7444 posts
@JoJoGirl: Oh i hear you. I was so disappointed when i found out what "STTN" really means. Just hang in there...6 months from now you'll look back and not even remember the horrible sleep deprivation!
cantaloupe / 6206 posts
Thanks all How have any of you with bad sleepers decided on baby #2?! I can't imagine...
@scg00387: Ooh so maybe there is hope. And yep it's cold here but her room is always mid-70s...weird inconsistent thermostats, etc. Either way we have her in footed PJs and a swaddle around her chest. May try a sleep sack in a few days.
honeydew / 7687 posts
@JoJoGirl: oh and do you have a two sided mattress? Not sure f you're comfortable with her being that young but switching sides also seemed to help for us with the softer top!
bananas / 9357 posts
@JoJoGirl: haha yeah, I was totally against #2 when we were in the trenches of his sleep. Now that things have gotten better, I'm starting to get baby fever. lol I think wanting another baby is correlated to how well sleep is going.
cantaloupe / 6206 posts
@mrskc: TOTALLY. I'm sorry but if I didn't go through 12 weeks of colic followed by 2.5 more months of crap sleep (and counting), things would be a lot different!
grapefruit / 4056 posts
S was 16 months before he started to STTN, even now at almost 18 months there are nights where he still wakes and needs help going back to sleep. Some babies are just crap sleepers.
pineapple / 12566 posts
DS never once STTN until after he turned one. It sucks, but if you try to roll with it instead of battle it, it is slightly easier. Good luck!
cantaloupe / 6206 posts
Gah. I keep saying "I'll be able to start this new project once she STTN.. I'm too tired now..." maybe I need to reconsider
kiwi / 643 posts
Ugh. Have you tried Dream Feeding? I was scared to do it, but it's the ONLY thing that got our twins to STTN. They weaned themselves off of it at about 8 months...
Hang in there! It is SO HARD to function without sleep Hugs, Mama!
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