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Were your MSPI suspicions correct?

  1. Corduroy

    pomelo / 5258 posts

    I was concerned about MSPI with LO1. She had colic, some mucus in her diaper and eczema. My friend's baby had MSPI and I had read about it here. I eliminated milk for a week or so but it didn't improve. I also tried eliminating eggs for a week, although I really don't recall why I suspected eggs (except that I ate them daily). I think I did one week elimination of each 3x. I knew a real elimination investigation would need to last longer but when I didn't see any change I would decide I was nuts and nothing was wrong.

    LO ended up being sensitive to eggs and had no reaction to milk.

  2. Banana330

    nectarine / 2317 posts

    @Adira: I agree with you. Knowledge is great, but too much information can cause problems. I had similar worries with my LO (mucusy green poops, fussiness). I eliminated dairy and soy (not completely but major sources). Part of me thinks she got better when I removed them but it also could be the stage she was in making her happier. I think i was looking for a solution to a problem that wasn't really there.

    My midwife told me it's likely she's just not use to what you've eaten and it will go back to normal in a few days. Guess what, it always did.

    She's a drooling machine and swallows ALOT of saliva which I think caused the mucus. otherwise she's a totally happy baby rarely cries. The doc did think she had mild reflux but said if she's happy they don't treat it and it usually resolves it self.

    I'm not saying to not look out for issues but be aware there are many reasons for the same symptom and it's not always the worst case scenario.

  3. keepcalmcarrie

    persimmon / 1096 posts

    @SeptMomma12: We used Alimentum. It is milk-based, but the proteins are broken down into basically microscopic pieces and most MSPI/CMPA babies can tolerate it just fine.

    For LO1, it improved everything instantly. For LO2, it improved everything except his reflux, which is still pretty bad at 6 months. I did a 1 week trial with EleCare (amino acid based formula, for babies who cannot tolerate any milk proteins) to see if it would make a difference, and there was a slight decrease in spitup but not enough to warrant the extra $$$ so we're back on Alimentum now (which is also quite spendy, but you can get fairly good deals online).

    Good luck!

    ETA - As others have said, I don't think you have cause for real concern. Mucous in the diaper and your mama instinct mean that yes, you should chat with your pediatrician about it. But if my sons hadn't been colicky, had watery green poops, and broken out into eczema, I wouldn't have messed with breastfeeding. Special formulas are expensive and usually stinky. If she's happy, take heart - nothing is hurting her much, otherwise she'd let you know

  4. Anagram

    eggplant / 11716 posts

    @keepcalmcarrie: Interesting. Maybe my LO was a more severe case, but she had a much worse reaction to Alimentum than to my own BM when I was still eating dairy---like huge, great globs of what looked like pure blood in her diaper, whereas before it was just tiny streaks.

    We would have had to use one of the specialized formulas, and it $450+ a month, I suddenly decided I could keep pumping, haha. Even though it kind of sucked.

    But for sure, there are probably different levels of intolerance.

  5. keepcalmcarrie

    persimmon / 1096 posts

    @Anagram: Yeah, the switch in his symptoms after moving to Alimentum was incredible. He projectile-vomited the few times we tried regular or soy formula. He projectile-vomited any foods with trace amounts of dairy or soy up until 14 months. But he tolerated Alimentum with no problem - still some eczema, but totally happy and symptom-free other than that. LO2 - not doing quite as well on it, but still much better than before. I think he is more sensitive than LO1.

    I read that something like 90% of babies with milk/soy intolerances or allergies will do well on Alimentum/Nutramigen. It's a tough break when your LO is in that 10%. I probably would have gone on the elimination diet and kept breastfeeding/pumping too if the alternative was paying for the amino acid formulas OOP. Yuck.

  6. SeptMomma12

    pear / 1849 posts

    @Banana330: My mom says the same thing. She said she's so glad the internet didn't exist when she was breastfeeding because if she saw green mucous in poop, she just said "ew, gross" and moved on.

    I'll update everyone with what the pediatrician has to say on Friday, but I'm feeling better. If she thinks some elimination is necessary, or if they test her poop and confirm there's an issue, I will probably eliminate dairy (way easier than soy) and see what happens, hoping we fall into that small percent that only has the dairy sensitivity. Like others have said, it's hard to embark on such a drastic journey when I have one of the happiest babies I've ever seen. She's definitely not in any distress.

  7. SeptMomma12

    pear / 1849 posts

    Update: I showed the doctor a picture of her poop this morning and she agreed it should be tested for blood. She's growing well - gained 2 lbs in a month. DD pooped as soon as we got home so I brought it over and it tested negative for blood The doctor said she probably has a slight dairy sensitivity but no need to restrict my diet severely now since she's happy, growing well, and there's no blood. So I'm going to try to take it easy on dairy/processed foods, but nothing strict right now. Feeling much better!

  8. Anagram

    eggplant / 11716 posts

    @SeptMomma12: glad there's no blood!

  9. Adira

    wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts

    @SeptMomma12: So glad to hear the good results!!! And that's great you don't have to restrict your diet. Glad you got some good answers.

  10. Banana330

    nectarine / 2317 posts

    @SeptMomma12: yay! I think my DD reacted quite similarly. I cut out obvious dairy for a while and have slowly increased how much I eat now at 3 months she's tolerating it much better.

  11. SeptMomma12

    pear / 1849 posts

    @Banana330: That's what I'm thinking. So you ate baked dairy but not milk, cheese, yogurt, etc? I don't really eat milk or yogurt, but I end up having cheese pretty regularly.

  12. rosegold

    apricot / 428 posts

    formula fed, right? sorry, i haven't been keeping track but my first thought is that poop looks so greeeen! but formula fed is supposed to be. i agree that if babe is acting fine, leave it be!!! if it was mspi, her symptoms woukd persist past 4 months and the zantac and prevacid would do little.

  13. Banana330

    nectarine / 2317 posts

    @SeptMomma12: I cut out milk and yogurt, and cut way back on cheese/ice cream etc. I started with once every few days, then once a day, now I can have one or two small servings a day and her poop is fine. The key for me was not to over do it with dairy and stay completely away from obvious soy (tofu and protein bars seemed to cause the problems but veggie sausages are ok).

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