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Some mornings we struggle really, really badly with getting our 4.5 year old dressed. I try to make sure we leave the house at the same time every morning to keep things consistent. There have been times that we have left 30 minutes later than planned because she is having a tantrum over clothing (sensitivity to clothing). She will wear it if she just gets over herself. We're not forcing her to wear stiff jeans and a collared shirt, we are asking her to wear the same thing she wore 3 days ago and yet today, it's the worst thing ever because it's not her Elena dress/sparkly dress.

I need some consequences for not getting ready on time. Should I take away screen time? Something else?

Time-outs don't work and certainly won't work in the morning. I don't believe in spanking or really any type of discipline my parents used other than losing privileges.

Any suggestions?

Forceful dressing doesn't work either - she's strong and I don't want to hurt her.

  1. looch

    wonderful pear / 26210 posts

    Honestly? I would look into occupational therapy at this point. It can give you some insight into why the behavior happens, what to do about it and some tools on how to cope with it.

    I assume that you've already tried giving her input into what to wear, in advance? Like letting her set up 5 days worth of weather appropriate outfits so she can choose what she wants from those?

  2. Maysprout

    grapefruit / 4800 posts

    Picking and laying out clothes the night before helped my daughter a lot. The beginning of winter is always hard, she's got super sensitive skin and breaks out in a rash easily. We use mild bath soap and lotion up the night before and that helps a lot. I also try to have her with me when I pick out pants especially now since they seem to itch and bother her. We just had a pair or sparkly leggings that she really liked from target so I got another pair in a diff color and she kept complaining that the sparkles were poking through. I'm like it's the same pants! But then when I finally felt the inside it was like oh, yeah these are different.

  3. Mrs. Pickle

    blogger / wonderful cherry / 21628 posts

    Would bribery work? If you get dressed and we leave on time all week then we get donuts on Friday?

    I don't really know what the natural consequence would be. You can't let her leave the house with no clothes on.

  4. travellingbee

    hostess / papaya / 10219 posts

    We put him in the car in PJs or half dressed if need be once we run out of time. (I bring the rest of the clothes with me). Could you set a timer and say what ever you are wearing when the timer goes off is what you are wearing?

  5. travellingbee

    hostess / papaya / 10219 posts

    @Mrs. Pickle: we have haha! That freaked him out enough that he now panics and concedes once that is about to happen.

  6. ShootingStar

    coconut / 8472 posts

    So my DS does not really do well with punitive consequences. Saying to him if you don't do X you won't get Y just results in a meltdown of "I want Y!!!" It's so much harder and takes longer to do, but I have incentivize him rather than punish him. Sometimes it's even just about the wording.

    This morning we picked out clothes and I told him it was time to go potty. He said he didn't want to go. So I told him, "But if you go potty you get a treat, right?" Then he agreed as long as he didn't have to wash his hands (LOL). Eventually he went to the potty (and washed his hands) and no meltdown. If instead I had told him "If you don't go potty then no treat" I'd have him screaming and crying, "I want a treat!"

    So maybe there's some type of incentive you can use in the morning? I used to use 5 minutes of screen time in the car if he was good and got dressed. Or you can try a reward chart with stickers - if she gets dressed on time she gets a sticker, out the door on time is another sticker (or whatever).

    If you do decide to do something punitive, I think it needs to be immediate. So no taking away screen time unless she was going to be able to watch something that morning. And the key (at least in our house) is finding something that motivates - picking the songs in the car, getting screen time, getting a certain meal/food, etc. Use those as the carrot but let her lose them if she doesn't cooperate.

    I also think @looch: has a good suggestion about the OT.

  7. mediagirl

    hostess / wonderful persimmon / 25556 posts

    @travellingbee: that's not going to work when we start Kindergarten and I just don't like the idea of it.

    @Maysprout: @looch: we have not tried laying out clothes a week in advance but we do talk about it the night before and lay clothes out the night before. Then without a doubt, in the morning something is wrong with those clothes. Clothes she has worn many times before.

  8. T.H.O.U.

    wonderful clementine / 24134 posts

    We did a combo. Positive reinforcement (treat when we get in the car or something like that) if she gets ready quickly.

    But if she throws a complete tantrum, I first walk away and tell her to figure it out. If she's still not dressed/ready/cooperative when I come back, she just gets put in the car in whatever she has on. usually by the time we get to school she's calmed down and will get dressed quickly in the van before going into school.

  9. T.H.O.U.

    wonderful clementine / 24134 posts

    @mediagirl: Both my kids have gone through this around age 2.5 but were mostly grown out of it by age 4.

    We actually just got a shoe hanging rack for in the closet where I can lay out 5 outfits for the week and she can pick any of the 5 outfits to wear that day.

  10. Mama Bird

    pomegranate / 3127 posts

    I've threatened DS with having to go in whatever he's dressed in if he doesn't get moving. Thankfully it's never come to that yet.

    He also has a huge mommy preference still, so I tell him that if he wants me to drop him off he needs to get up on time. It sort of works but I hate to leave without him and he knows it... DH has a hard time getting him ready in the morning because he's whining for me, and they both leave in a bad temper if I leave first.

  11. Kimberlybee

    grapefruit / 4997 posts

    When my niece and nephew lived with us, I used a sticker chart and they could pick a prize in the treasure chest for every 10 stickers earned. I filled it with lots of small but fun prizes. I would try picking 2 outfits the night before and she has to choose between the 2 to get a sticker.

  12. Mrs. Pickle

    blogger / wonderful cherry / 21628 posts

    @travellingbee: whatever works! I'll have to remember that.

  13. Maysprout

    grapefruit / 4800 posts

    I'd have conversations with her the night before when you're laying out clothes about why it's important to get dressed on time. You could even lay out 2 options. But also discuss consequences the night before if she doesn't choose and get dressed promptly. It might be screen time, a weekend activity, not wearing the unicorn hoody But discussing it when she's in a reasonable frame of mind even if she ends up tantruming the next day I think will give you better luck in the lesson sticking.

  14. Mamaof2

    squash / 13208 posts

    Im not a fan of this but what if she slept in her clothes so when she woke up she was ready to go?

  15. Ajsmommy

    pomegranate / 3355 posts

    Does she pick out her own outfit? or could you have a few outfits for her to choose from? I'm sorry if you said you did, I didn't see that above.. maybe if she had some control over it it would help?

  16. Adira

    wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts

    @Mamaof2: That's exactly what we do. Xander's not a fan of pajamas in general and his clothes are all cotton and comfortable, so part of bedtime is picking out new clothes and wearing them to bed. Then there's no fight to get dressed in the morning.

  17. mediagirl

    hostess / wonderful persimmon / 25556 posts

    @Mamaof2: @Adira: I don't like the idea but I actually did suggest it and she refused. "They're not pajamas! I wear pajamas to bed!"

  18. SLR

    clementine / 824 posts

    I think I would keep a week's worth of outfits pre-planned and hanging in the closet for her to select from and if she doesn't comply, put her favorite toy of the day in time out.

  19. Adira

    wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts

    @mediagirl: Yeah, that probably only would work if you've been doing it this whole time. I do like the suggestion of having her pick out an outfit the night before. Or maybe set out TWO outfits so she actually has a choice in the morning? maybe the fact she doesn't get a say (in the morning) is what is really upsetting her? And being able to choose from two outfits might help?

  20. jape14

    pear / 1586 posts

    Seconding @looch: with the recommendation of OT. I have a friend who was having the same exact problem with her elementary-age daughter every morning and OT plus some other therapy for anxiety issues did the trick. She wears a uniform, even, so the selection part wasn't the issue.

  21. lawbee11

    GOLD / watermelon / 14076 posts

    I agree with the occupational therapy suggestion.

  22. Freckles

    honeydew / 7444 posts

    Our new rule is that she goes to school in whatever she comes downstairs wearing. If she is wearing pajamas, she wears pajamas to school. She hates being told what to do so i told her that i won't remind her to get dressed.

    I no longer offer rewards for doing something she should - because some days she'll say "i don't feel like getting x reward" I tell her that if she throws a fit in the morning then she doesn't get to watch her show after school.

    The timer idea wouldn't work for my daughter. She freaks out under pressure and goes nuts. Does your daughter need you there when she changes? My DD usually wants someone waiting for her while she changes (not in the room but on the same floor) - i tell her that i'll wait for her but if she takes too long then i'll go down without her. i give her a 2 minute warning before i go down.

    I hate morning battles so i feel your pain!

  23. matador84

    papaya / 10560 posts

    Ah, I struggle with my almost-3-year old in the mornings SO badly. My son wasn't this way at all. At first I thought she just wasn't a morning person, but she will get ramrod stiff to avoid getting dressed and it can be a real struggle. I've taken her to daycare in her jammies, (knowing they won't get her dressed), taken her in her undies in her carseat and dressed her in the parking lot (more punishment to me than to her), let her pick her own clothing out the morning of and the morning before, and finally the only thing that worked on those hard mornings is telling her she can have m&m's. Thankfully she doesn't even ask for them every morning, and we don't have this issue EVERY morning, but on the mornings we do, I've found bribery works.

    I've also found that if I wake her up with PLENTY of time for her to just really unwind in the mornings, they are almost always easier than not. It's kind of a pain to me because I am by myself trying to get two kids ready and I don't have that time to myself, but it's easier than a major struggle out the door.

    At one point it was so bad I was practically crying just trying to even get her in her carseat.

  24. pwnstar

    pear / 1718 posts

    I think you have posted about similar situations/issues before? I honestly think consequences would only frustrate both of you and potentially exacerbate the situation. I would also recommend OT. All parents (and kids!) need a little help from time to time.

    I'm sorry--this must be incredibly draining and frustrating. For both of you!

  25. gingerbebe

    cantaloupe / 6131 posts

    It seems like there's an anxiety component to this (I don't know about sensory processing issues). I have always had anxiety issues and they would always come out in some weird way (obsessive behavior, addictive behavior, eating disorders as a teen, etc). When I was a young kid there was a period where I realllllly didn't want to wash my hair (and I have really greasy hair...). It's just like a weird mental block. I would even go so far as to WET the hair but wouldn't wash it?? I agree punitive stuff in the face of that makes it worse.

    Can you just do her laundry on the weekends and let her re wear a dirty Elsa dress if that's what she wants? Just say well it's dirty but if you insist here it is. She may decide to wear something else on her own or whatever. The point is to not make it a stress point because it's making her anxiety manifest in that arena. Mornings have become a place where her anxiety exists so that's where she's letting it out. Therapy may help her figure out some better coping mechanisms.

  26. travellingbee

    hostess / papaya / 10219 posts

    @mediagirl: well if you aren't comfortable with that that is fine. I bring his clothes with the intent to dress him there if need be but he always concedes before we've even left the driveway. It was a suggestion from a love and logic parenting session we attended and although he gets upset about it, it's the only way I can calmly enforce that he must get dressed and not make me late.

  27. 2littlepumpkins

    grapefruit / 4455 posts

    One thing I did was I just didn't wash clothes for a fast enough turnaround. I think at this point I would be taking her to school in her PJs and bringing the outfit picked the night before as back up. If she gets there and decides clothes are better than PJs, she has something she chose to wear.

    As far as the tantrums, we say to her I'm sorry you're upset. I don't want you to be upset but we need to go to school/wherever. It's time to go. And we continue on. After going through this for a bit (we settled on me picking options and hanging them on the lower closet bar, and she picks which one she wants) the tantrums stopped.

    If all else fails the posters above may have a point with seeking outside help.

  28. PinkElephant

    grapefruit / 4584 posts

    Is DD choosing her own outfits the night before? We've had to insist that my 4.5 year old DD lay out her COMPLETE outfit the night before, and she simply is NOT allowed to deviate from that choice. I try to guide her choices somewhat so that they are cute, but sometimes I just have to concede to her fashion sense provided the items she chooses are seasonally/occasionally appropriate, and she has chosen something from each category (we fight about the fact that sweater tights are not pants, and she MUST wear a skirt or dress with them, haha).

    Perhaps in your daughter's case, having a choice of two outfits each day would work? Or a bin/rack/shelf for leggings, dresses, tops, etc., that you have deemed "appropriate" for the week (suited to the weather and not too casual/fancy for school), and she can pick whatever she wants from there...but isn't allowed to go into other drawers. That way you get a little control, but she ultimately feels like she is in charge.

    The "consequence" in our house for not cooperating with rules for getting dressed has been a threat to put her clothes on a high bar where she cannot reach them. I haven't fully done this, but HAVE taken away a few items (footed tights are in a basket on a high shelf, b/c she just couldn't understand why I wouldn't let her wear them - she has to go barefoot for gymnastics/dance at school, and no one helps put tights back on), and her party dresses are now on a high bar so that only I can reach them. It got the message across.

    last thought - could you just tell her "It's time to go. I'm leaving now. You can join me in the car when you are dressed and ready." and walk into the garage? This new tactic is working for various stalling behaviors on DD1 and DD2 now that we drive places instead of walking. I will literally make a move to go into the garage with the child who is ready, and the other one will magically do whatever I was asking (go potty, get a coat, etc.) because she doesn't want to be the last one at the car.

  29. mediagirl

    hostess / wonderful persimmon / 25556 posts

    @looch: I've reached out to our daycare and got the name of a therapist who is a parent at my daughter's daycare and a therapist in a group here. She treats speech but she can probably refer me to someone in her group who does OT. I think it's time. Thanks for the push.

  30. looch

    wonderful pear / 26210 posts

    @mediagirl: I've been through it, so I get it, sending you a giant hug.

  31. Mommy Finger

    pomegranate / 3272 posts

    @ShootingStar: I just wanted to say thank you. You just described DS and the same "fights" we have all of the time. We do tend to use the "no treats" or "no shows tonight" and he just screams that he wants those. I knew this was obviously not working but couldn't figure out what to do. I think you just opened my eyes. I'm going to chat with DH about this tonight.

  32. JennyD

    clementine / 990 posts

    our "deal" is that I now wake her up when I get up (ie before I even shower). Her responsibility is to get up and pick one of the 8-10 outfits we choose Sunday night and get dressed. When we started this system she could come down and watch tv, so there was incentive to get going faster.

    Also for us, giving her time to wake up a bit before she has to get moving, and giving her the responsibility for getting ready made all the difference.

  33. Chuckles

    persimmon / 1495 posts

    It could never hurt to reach out to an OT for an evaluation. They could at least give some good suggestions, even if they don't think your LO needs anything ongoing.
    I was thinking about how you could use a timer in a positive way. Could you set it for however long you have before you have to leave and if she is dressed and ready before it goes off, she can have time to do something special/fun that only is available in the mornings at that time?

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