If you have a mortgage can you be debt free?
just curious
If you have a mortgage can you be debt free?
just curious
hostess / wonderful persimmon / 25556 posts
I think debt free means no mortgage, no car payments, no cc payments.
hostess / wonderful honeydew / 32460 posts
I think debt free means you don't owe anyone anything!
wonderful clementine / 24134 posts
Agree, true debt free means no debt.
We still have
-Mortgage (a big 30 year)
- New car (5 year)
- small personal loan
But DHs truck and my student loans got paid off as well as the appliance that we bought when we bought our house.
grapefruit / 4800 posts
I would consider people debt free if they have the means to pay off their mortgage. I know a number of families who keep a mortgage because that interest rate is lower than the interest they make on other investments.
nectarine / 2115 posts
I guess technically it means no mortgage or other loan payments.
We consider ourselves debt-free, though, because we don't have any credit-card debt (we pay it off every week and only spend money we have).
pear / 1521 posts
I think a lot of people mean consumer debt free when they say debt free. That's what I would mean by it because mortgage free is really not realistic for the vast majority of people I know. Being consumer debt free is a much more achievable goal!
hostess / wonderful grape / 20803 posts
I know debt free means no mortgage. But i would consider myself debt free without any credit card or consumer debt. I don't really consider my student loan debt real debt since it's a 2% loan and I have zero intention of paying if off early. Technically it's incorrect thinking and I know it!
wonderful kiwi / 23653 posts
I think technically you shouldn't even have a mortgage since it's a debt, but I feel like in the range of being in debt, that's as close as you can get to being debt free! I feel like most people that are doing well financially would still have a mortgage and/or car payment(s).
The only "debt" we actually have is a car payment! I pay mortgage to my parents!
persimmon / 1188 posts
To me, it means no mortgage or any kind of debt. So we will probably be in debt for a long time but I don't feel too stressed about it. Our debt is pretty practical, mortgage and 1 car payment. I plan to pay off the car and keep it for several years after just like I did last time.
grapefruit / 4988 posts
I know a mortgage is technically debt, but I will probably consider us "debt-free" when we get to the point where mortgage is our only debt. We don't have any consumer debt but I do have a huge student loan, and I definitely consider that to be a debt, even though my interest rate is extremely low.
pomegranate / 3921 posts
I know that it technically means NO debt at all, including mortgage...but I'd FEEL debt-free if all we had was our mortgage. Our graduate school loans are killing us.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
@petitenoisette: Yes - this! We consider ourselves debt free even though we have a mortgage and student loans.
grapefruit / 4545 posts
technically it would mean no mortgage...
However DH and I have a current target of being debt free which we consider to be no CC balances, student loans gone and no secondary mortgage products (we dont have these anyways).
We lease cars....but if we purchased I would want those gone too...
wonderful pea / 17279 posts
For me it means no consumer debt or student loans.
If we didn't have a mortgage debt we would pay rent. Since shelter is a basic need I'm okay with that.
cantaloupe / 6692 posts
@petitenoisette: This
We have no debt besides our mortgage at the moment. We worked hard and made tough changes to pay off all car payments, medical bills, and any other debt. I like to call myself debt free now but of course we still have the mortgage.
wonderful clementine / 24134 posts
@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: Yea I'm ok with mortgage debt, but I think a lot of the debt free push started back when mortgages were actually potentially risky and not really an "investment". So I can see in that sense why its considered "debt" and not an "investment". But if you're smart about it (purchase property within your means, look at property values, keep up your home, make updates etc) it can be an investment even with mortgage interest.
pineapple / 12566 posts
To me it means no debt of any kind. We are debt free according to my definition, but we also pay rent and don't own our own place.
pomelo / 5678 posts
I suppose it would mean no mortgage and no student loan, car, or consumer cc debt, no medical debt, no lawyer fees debt- no debt!
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
It's never been a specific goal of mine to be debt free, but I'd consider it to be no loans of any kind. Everything paid for outright in cash, no financing, even at 0%.
I am really struggling to classify rent for some reason. It's an expense, but do you have to classify it as a liability when you're doing a balance sheet?
persimmon / 1431 posts
I think you can be debt free with a mortgage. Its about where you want to put your money. If you have a low interest rate, it makes sense to put that money somewhere else to make you more money.
pomegranate / 3350 posts
I wouldn't consider anyone with a mortgage to be debt-free. The only kind of debt that someone could have that I would consider debt-free is something on a credit card that is paid off every month. So like your Target card that doesn't carry over a balance every month.
We have a mortgage and I have a very small student loan. I would never call us debt-free.
GOLD / eggplant / 11517 posts
It means no debt at all to me, but Dave Ramsey's plan helped us separate consumer debt from mortgage debt, which allowed us to have the will and desire to attack everything and get it all paid off. If we had considered the mortgage in our "total debt payoff plan" it would have looked insurmountable and we may never have gone for it. Now we're consumer debt free (no credit cards, no car payments, no student loans, etc.) and plan to pay off our house quickly. Without the separation we wouldn't have started to begin with.
GOLD / wonderful olive / 19030 posts
To me it means no consumer debt, i would consider me debt free with a mortgage as long as we don't have any other outstanding debts (cars, credit cards, student loans, ect.)
eggplant / 11408 posts
I think there are different kinds. Truly debt free means nothing at all owed, but no consumer debt is the first thing that comes to mind for me. I would be happy with that first
nectarine / 2018 posts
I've been thinking about this a lot recently. DH and I are currently debt free. I have never had any debt, DH had some student loans but he paid them off a year after graduating. We are scheduled to close on our first home next month and I am really struggling with the huge debt that will be.
To be truly debt free means no debt of any kind but I think when most people say it they are not considering their mortgage.
eggplant / 11408 posts
@winniebee: yes, I almost consider my loans in the same vein as a monthly utility, like rent or mortgage. We have a small mortgage in student ooans, and we will be paying them off for a while. But it has helped us stay afloat in grad school, so it is another living expense to me. It will be annoying, but whatever. As long as I can get on a repayment plan, it is what it is.
cantaloupe / 6131 posts
Debt free means no mortgage to me, but I could live with a mortgage payment IF it was a reasonable payment. There's a lot of house poor people in this country!
I'm 35 years old in April and my goal is to be debt-free but the mortgage by the time I'm 38, 40 at the max. We just paid off one law degree and are working on DH's now! I really want to be totally mortgage debt free by the time I'm 50 so we can be in a good position to help our kids pay for college.
papaya / 10570 posts
When I say it is my intention to be debt free, I don't count my mortgage! I guess I feel that my mortgage isn't really debt because the house is worth more than the amount we owe the bank so we are kind of in the black there.....
wonderful olive / 19353 posts
I consider a mortgage as a debt, even if it's a good kind of debt, like a car.
I don't consider credit cards a debt if you pay them off monthly.
pomegranate / 3658 posts
True letter of the definition means no debt whatsoever. But most financial planners will group debt into different categories, with mortgage being different from other debt. In my mind, debt free means nothing but mortgage. No student loans, no financed purchases (incl vehicles), etc. We strive to stay debt-free by that definition. Plus we also put a lot of emphasis in our budget on paying down our mortgage faster than we have to.
cantaloupe / 6751 posts
My definition of debt free - whether right or wrong - is no debt whatsoever except mortgage. Student loans are def a huge debt to me (and our only debt aside from
Mortgage). I am going to be thrilled when mine are paid off! They are by far the biggest expense I have each month (minus mortgage).
bananas / 9227 posts
Debt free to me means no consumer debt and no student loans. I don't consider a mortgage a part of that unless it's not your primary residence.
blogger / grapefruit / 4836 posts
Truly debt free would mean no debt at all. Car loans, mortgage loans, and student loans are still loans.
pomegranate / 3809 posts
Debt free means positive net worth to me. If I hold a mortgage at an insanely low rate and decide not to pay it off b/c I think my money is better off invested, I don't see my mortgage as true debt.
admin / wonderful grape / 20724 posts
I don't consider debt secured by collateral to be in the same category as unsecured debt! Especially if the underlying asset is a good one (a good house with strong value, a good car that has strong resell value, etc.).
Debt-free to me personally means no unsecured debt... plus you're living within your means and paying down your secured debt. But I recognize that you can't be truly debt-free if you have even a little secured debt!
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