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@MsLipGloss: I know, it was absolutely stupid of the company. The HR director indicated they thought it meant he was overly intersted in $ and that they would not be able to keep him happy long term - funny thing is that I'm the breadwinner and he only countered because it is expected at that level
@banana: We shall see what happens
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@MsLipGloss: interesting. All my brain does when reading your logic is say, "And so the rich keep getting richer and the poor don't have a chance."
"20% at $150 is much easier to negotiate because there is already an expectation to pay someone more for their work . . . 20% at $60 is harder to negotiate because at that range, there is likely less flexibility within set salary ranges (and more lateral comparisons), so the recruiter/ hiring person will likely have less room to negotiate."
So, what I gather you're saying is there aren't set salary ranges when you get above a certain dollar amount. Also, people who make less than a certain amount aren't worth a large increase?
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@banana: I'm excited for you! Let us know what happens!!
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Interesting! I'm forwarding this to DH
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I think it all depends on what's industry standard for your job. I just became a full employee after 7 months of contracting and I don't think if I was to go anywhere else I could hope to make more than $5k more than I do now (unless I contract again which is a whole other ball of wax). In 2-4 years when I move up from being considered "Senior" level to "Principal" level, I'd expect to make another $10-$15k (which is less than 20%) if I left and was able to secure a job at the Principal level. No one in my industry is going to pay someone an additional 20% just because they're moving jobs. They pay what the going salary rate is in our industry.
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@mediagirl: I don't know that I would call that *logic*
. . . It depends a ton on the position/ company as to what the expectations are, but yeah, as jacked up as it is, it has been my experience that it is easier to negotiate a larger percentage increase once you are over a certain amount. This isn't always true--there are lots of factors involved--but once an organization has assigned a value to a position, if that value is high, it is easier to get them to pay more for that position because they have already decided that it is valuable AND because (presumably) fewer people are capable of filling that position. For positions that are paid less, the negotiation range is smaller because of the value issue and because it is likely viewed as more fungible (, i.e. more candidates to choose from).ETA: And yeah, that can be a huge roadblock to progressing . . .
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@mediagirl: I think it comes down to there are more people that can fill a lower paid position. Whereas if you are bringing in a higher salary person, my guess is they have very marketable skills and you REALLY want them. .
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@littlek: this, exactly.
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@mediagirl: Thank you! I'll let you know what I end up with. Hopefully 20%!!!
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@littlek: @MsLipGloss: employee pool makes sense.
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@mediagirl: what is that? how does that work?
never mind ! i read that wrong!
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@mediagirl: I got it!! With 20%! They initially offered me 15% but I asked for 5% more and they gave it to me! WOOHOO!!
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@banana: Check you out!! Good job!
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@Bookish: Thank you! I start in 3 weeks. So excited!
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@banana: Way to go!
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@shinymama: Thank you!!
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@banana: congrats all around, on the new job and the raise!
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@banana: amazing! Congrats!
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@banana: Congrats! That's amazing!
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@T-Mom: @cmomma17: @Freckles: OMG thank you so much!
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@banana: nice! way to go!
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Congrats! That's awesome! I just accepted a new position and now after reading your post I wish I would have asked for more! Way to go on negotiating!
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@birdofafeather: THANKS!!
@dojo: I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask for just 5% more. Did you accept the offer as is? And congrats to you too!!!
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@banana: I negotiated for a little bit more. But my overall raise is only around 10%. But it will be a much better job and I am more than thrilled to be moving on from my current gig so I'm ok with it. I get so nervous about the whole negotiating part of job offers so I think it's awesome that you were able to get what you asked for! Maybe I should get some tips from you!
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@dojo: HA! I'm not the best person to ask for negotiating tips. I literally just told them what I wanted and they said they will get back to me. They came back with 15% more and I told them "I was thinking more along the lines of 20%. Is there any room for negotiation here?". He said that he will discuss with his manager and get back to me. A few days later, he called and said he was able to get me 5% more. And that was that. So I'd hardly call it "negotiating". More like "ask for what you want".
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@banana: Well I guess I should have just asked for more than! hahaha! Next time! I think I'm always nervous they will make me justify why I want more and I would stumble for an answer and just say 'um because I want more money'
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@dojo: Yeah I was kinda nervous too. But 5% wasn't that much more so I figured I should ask anyway. I'm always skeptical with recruiters and figure that they lowball in the beginning anyway, to make room for negotiation?
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@banana: I AM SO EXCITED FOR YOU!
That is so awesome. You hear time and time again that women are "afraid" to ask for money or to negotiate. I love hearing when people get what they deserve in the workforce. Nicely done!!
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@banana: I wish I read your update a few days ago! DH is having salary negotiations now!
. . . It depends a ton on the position/ company as to what the expectations are, but yeah, as jacked up as it is, it has been my experience that it is easier to negotiate a larger percentage increase once you are over a certain amount. This isn't always true--there are lots of factors involved--but once an organization has assigned a value to a position, if that value is high, it is easier to get them to pay more for that position because they have already decided that it is valuable AND because (presumably) fewer people are capable of filling that position. For positions that are paid less, the negotiation range is smaller because of the value issue and because it is likely viewed as more fungible (, i.e. more candidates to choose from).
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