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I saw this earlier! I know that part of their (CPS's) case is b/c the other hospital discharged them saying the child was fine BUT I don't understand how you fault the parents for another providers "mistake"?!

Tbh though we have a pediatrician here that's like this! He's actually the first one we had & he threatened all kinds of things when we questioned a treatment plan he had... seriously just asked if we could wait for P's blood results before administering & all heck broke loose! We ultimately decided our best plan of action was to appease him & get the heck out of there without ruffling him anymore!

It's a sad day when parents can't make informed choices & practice their autonomy out of fear of their children being taken away!

I feel like there are too many dire situations where cps should step in and dont and then now this...insane.

@Dapple Grey: So true!!!

@Rainbow Sprinkles: There was a family that had CPS called on them for declining the Hep B vaccine until the moms titer results came back! They weren't even completely declining!

Deleted because I'm crabby and dont like like arguing. I think the website posted has a clearly slanted objective.

@yoursilverlining: Do you know of a more neutral article regarding this news story, so I can get more information?

I'm curious if she calmly left Sutter, after properly signing her child out, or if it was more of a fleeing situation.

Something seems bizarre about all this.

@deerylou: I just read the article link @arden posted & despite it having a "slanted" view this is almost spot on what we experienced in the hospital with P! DH & I were very bullied & threatened & I feel confident the only reason it didn't end like something like this story or the other one is because we folded! We really felt like if we didn't smile, nod, & comply we'd be dealing with some major repercussion. For us, one of us would have to be dying to go to the hospital ever again!

@deerylou: Giving her IV antibiotics & a clean catch urine, which they had to cath her twice to get. We requested to wait till her CBC came back to see if the antibiotics were truly needed. The on-call doctor didn't dispute it. Our pedi came in the next day, totally violated HIPAA disregarding the visitors we had in the room almost yelling at us that we were basically killing our baby by not doing what he ordered & that he was getting the NICU doctor to come "talk" to us, amongst other things if we didn't do what he said right then. We were supposed to be discharged that evening when the first reading of her blood cultures came back negative but he refused to discharged us & ordered the clean catch u/a, mind you her other u/a & all test results came back fine! We ultimately caved to give her formula so they wouldn't have to cath her a THIRD time & it took 2 more days before he would dischage us... Infact it wasn't even him that discharged us!. The NICU doctor said P was fine & the weekend doctor discharged us as soon as she made her first round. It was absolutely horrible, & to make it even worse P ended up with a yeast rash from the antibiotics that took 5 weeks for us to clear up & reoccurring rashes until she was around 6 months!

I didn't mean to threadjack but doctors bullying parents like this just because they don't "comply" immediately, without question, does happen!

@runsyellowlites: You absolutely have the right to "fire" the physician and ask for someone else to see the child. In a hospital situation (and even in a general practice situation) there are plenty of other physicians on hand to see your child.
I hope you'll believe me when I say that that is likely not a doctor issue, but a severe personality defect. (i.e. apparently he did not have the ability to sit down and calmly talk through why he was making the recommendation beyond the annoying, "well I said so".)
If a patient does not want to proceed with my suggested course of action, I do document it (in a very neutral manner), but I sit down and go through the: "this is how you can recognize if things are going south, and this is how you know she is getting better and the correct plan of action (i.e. yours) was taken". Essentially: these are all of our options.
Seriously, ask for a social worker and/or the charge nurse. Calmly explain that you would like another physician to assess your child. I'm surprised they got all hung up on wanting to wait for antibiotics (which is reasonable), but we've all seen the worst case scenarios. I know I shouldn't assume that every child with a headache is going to end up deaf and with severe developmental delay if they don't get diagnosed with meningitis and treated immediately, but it's in the back of my head.

I agree that there has to be something more to this story. It sounds all a bit too "sensational".

A good book for any parent, physician or anyone keen on cultural differences should look at "The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down" by Fadiman. It's about a Hmong child with epilepsy (seen as a shamanistic characteristic amongst the old world Hmong, according to the book. I'm no expert on their culture) being treated by pediatricians. The state eventually took the child away. Was she getting the proper care via her parents according to Western medicine? No. Was it a good thing to take her away from her family? Likely not. Tough ethical questions, good book.

I feel that I am missing something. The story is also all over mainstream news, but there is no extra info. And because CPS isn't talking, it's all very one-sided. Weird...

How horrible. There was a situation somewhat like this around us, but with a hospital trying to take away a newborn, luckily the baby was returned by court order the next day. But it's very scary the amount they can interfere. The couple around us is suing the hospital but the hospital was almost able to block the lawsuit from coming to a hearing.

The hospital is also trying to crack down on child abuse and there was a doctor on the radio saying if a pediatrician sees bruises any on a child's back they should call CPS because there's no reason to have bruises on the back. Lots of people called the station after that and were like um....I don't support child abuse but that's crazy, kids get bruises.

Oh my gosh. How horrifying.

@MrsCB: I don't think so. Dh is a cop and they don't like to take kids. They do it when they get a call and they're obligated to do it..

And on that, I really dislike how it's being reported the cops just shoved the dad, no explanation, like they just stormed in there and shoved him out of the way and stole his kid. I doubt it. I wish reporters knew a little more about police tactics before they worded things (not just this story) in such a way.

While I think this situation is horrible, I'm not sure what to believe. I feel like so many people in this situation can't win.

I feel as if health care professionals are so under pressure to make sure they do everything appropriately, that they can't win when they advise something and someone disagrees with them. A parent has every right to disagree, but then they'll turn around and sue that health care professional the first chance they get for neglect when they don't follow their orders and something goes wrong. So of course they're going to be on edge and press you to heed their advice.

I think there's a lot more to this story...especially since the wife seemed to know that the police were coming for their baby and set up a video to record it all happening. I feel like we're only getting one side of the story.

There is definitely more to this story than what the public is hearing.

This line is all I need to read to see this blogger clearly has an agenda: "Think long and hard before taking your children to the hospital my friends. Once you go through that door, the medical decisions about your child are no longer within your control."

def more to the story, that article is poorly written and def one sided! look at this quote, really?!!??!

"Think long and hard before taking your children to the hospital my friends. Once you go through that door, the medical decisions about your child are no longer within your control."

great now all the crazies will be treating their children at home.

That's a sad story but what stood out to me was that it seemed the parents took their child out of the hospital without formal discharge paperwork~a verbal ok from a doctor is not discharge paperwork. That could be why the hospital called CPS. The hospital didn't know they were necessarily going to go to another hospital straight away. But it does seem like there is more to the story than the article is reporting.

I once accidentally walked out of urgent care without signing discharge paperwork. I'd been given the verbal ok to leave by the doctor but the nurse hadn't come back with the paperwork after almost an hour, so I left. My doctor mentioned it at a followup appointment later that week. It had to do with liability issues for the clinic.

I don't think this is a credible source for this story. I don't think the news outlet that reported it is either, since they are reporting on behalf of the couple, who contacted them. The one red flag I personally see is that they didn't discharge the baby from the first hospital before taking him to the second. I can't imagine what the scene was like, fighting with doctors and nurses and walking out with a PICU patient without discharging him.

Really sad that these parents are separated from their baby through all this horrible stuff. It's bad enough that their baby has these health problems.