persimmon / 1483 posts
Yikes. I know it sucks, but I'd pull him immediately. Do you have anyone that can watch him until you find a new center? As an isolated incident, this would be enough for me to leave. They KNOW he has an allergy and are intentionally giving him dairy anyway - hell no. Even if you wanted to be forgiving, this seems to be a pattern of conduct where they totally disregard your instructions. I'm sure the teachers are nice and fun and Xander probably has a good time, but that's not enough. And yes, the director should be calling you back immediately - I can't imagine how she doesn't fire the offending teachers at this point.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
@looch: I would've if I handled drop off, but my husband does drop off. Plus the director's usually not in that early anyway.
GOLD / wonderful pomegranate / 28905 posts
Our daycare provides food but we opted to bring our own and have only recently laxed a bit. They are all well aware on our feelings on sweets. The one day DH went to pick LO up early and all kids, including LO, were having supermarket cupcakes. You bet your ass the teacher immediately went red faced and apologized that they gave that to LO. You bet DH gave them a piece of his mind.
That's not even an allergy that we went to ER for. It's their responsibility to watch your child and keep him safe and respect your wishes. They clearly do not because they're repeat offenders.
clementine / 828 posts
Wow. This would be a deal breaker for me. It makes me question if they would respond appropriately if your LO did have a reaction. Nope. Unacceptable.
grapefruit / 4235 posts
If I were you, with the history you've told us about this daycare, I would definitely pull my son, and also lodge a complaint with whatever department regulates daycares in your state. They could KILL a child with this attitude towards allergies.
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
@Adira: then you arrange your schedule to accomodate a meeting. I have shown up unannounced at my son's center just to check on the state of things...does the director think I am Looney Tunes? Yes. Do I care? No.
I understand it's a lot easier said that done to pull your kid out of a center when you don't have another spot, so maybe what you need to do is put them on notice that you are looking for other options, and start looking, seriously.
papaya / 10473 posts
This is beyond ridiculous and negligent on their part. Did he do ok? Yes. But what if he DIDN'T? What then?! I am floored by their actions. FLOORED. I'd be pulling him immediately. That is not ok. Allergies aren't something to experiment with.
persimmon / 1099 posts
I'm kind of surprised at your nonchalant response to this event. Any reason that youre being so passive that we don't have the full picture on?
cherry / 104 posts
Sadly (and from my own experience) you can have someone who is wonderful as a teacher that creates a wonderful learning environment, but that doesn't always mean they know how to act in the best interest of every child. If you really want to keep him there maybe pack your own lunch and talk to the teachers, but food allergies are something that I wouldn't chance risking. It might be best to find another daycare.
GOLD / wonderful pea / 17697 posts
I'm livid for you, and would for sure be throwing a shitfit if someone (multiple someones!) tried this with E, and would start looking for a new daycare ASAP. I also agree with PPs...I would be demanding to speak with the director personally, either on the phone or in person, immediately.
It is absolutely not their place to be experimenting with your child's health. Any further testing should be left to you and your doctor. But frankly, if I were you I wouldn't trust the daycare, and I couldn't leave E somewhere if I was (legitimately!) worried that his health was being potentially compromised all willy-nilly (or at all).
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
@Nskillet: Not really. I'm just really bad with confrontations and when things throw me for a loop, I tend to react passively (or not at all) because I don't know how to respond and it's usually not until later that I come out of the fog and realize what happened.
hostess / wonderful persimmon / 25556 posts
But it's your child. And his health we are talking about here. I just don't understand why you are still at this daycare, love the teachers or not. And how can you love teachers who feed your kid things he could have a potentially life-threatening reaction to? If they're feeding him dairy, what else are they feeding him?
kiwi / 612 posts
@Adira: Is it hard to find a new daycare? I know around my area, there are waiting lists. But it might be worth calling around at least? This is not something trivial...I would be really upset.
pomegranate / 3791 posts
@Adira: I tend to be like that with confrontations too...but this is your child being put in danger, Adira! Find your inner mama bear!
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
Just a heads up, I probably will not be able to continue to read or respond to responses on this thread while I'm at work. This topic is too upsetting.
bananas / 9227 posts
I'd be complaining to anyone and everyone that would matter! I'm normally pretty chill and don't like making a fuss, but if they told me that ... it would be ugly! Depending on how the director responds, I'd see what I could do to make numerous formal complaints. The news would have a field day with it! It would be ugly!
grapefruit / 4187 posts
I am so sorry! I just pulled DS fromdaycare and a former teacher from the daycare is currently watching DS. I am hearing so many horrible stories from her about the corners they cut and things they ignore. None of it is shocking enough to really be concerned but its interesting to hear what goes on behind the scenes!
grapefruit / 4663 posts
@Adira: I have a daycare as well that does things their way and it ticks me off but she loves my son so I overlook it but this is a serious issue and it wasn't an accident they are doing it purposely. I just do not think I could trust them anymore.
pomegranate / 3601 posts
@Adira: If you are not comfortable doing the confrontation could your DH take care of it?
pomegranate / 3895 posts
@Adira: Sorry that you're uncomfortable with confrontation...seems like this is an issue that's going to force you to get comfortable with it. Stat.
wonderful grape / 20453 posts
Girl, you got four options.
1) Do nothing. This will keep happening.
2) March your ass in there and speak with the director. Stand up for your son. Be a bad ass about it. Take a half day or some sick time. That is what it is for.
3) Do the passive thing and pull him and put him somewhere else
4) Let DH handle it
Honestly, i think you need to figure out how to deal with this shit. It is not going to be the first time. It is not going to be the last.
cantaloupe / 6669 posts
@Adira: I'm so sorry you are dealing with this. This REALLY sucks. I understand that this is upsetting for you - I can only imagine. I also understand how stressful confrontation can be, and the "brain fog" experience in tough spots. I've been there too.
That doesn't change the fact that you, unfortunately, either need to raise hell or change daycares immediately. I'm really sorry that is the case but it is. Enough is enough.
honeydew / 7589 posts
Here's why I don't think just talking with the director will cut it, and you need to move him.
When those teachers told you that, your reaction should have been a shit storm. You should have been furious and setting them straight, telling them they could have put him in the hospital, etc. From what I can tell, you didn't do that.
Even if the director comes in there and tells them how serious this is, they aren't going to take it seriously because YOUR reaction wasn't serious. The director can say "Adira was really upset" but they will think "No she wasn't, we talked to her."
They are going to continue to underestimate how serious this is. They've proven themselves to be careless and irresponsible.
Time to suck it up and switch daycares. It's your baby. You can find it within yourself to do whatever it takes to make him safe.
squash / 13208 posts
@Adira: this does suck and I am sorry u are dealing with it! Just like you I hate confrontation BUT I think the only reason you are blowing this off us because he didn't end up in the ER! What if he did??? Would you find a new DCP then?? Of course you would!
This is a serious matter and I would pull him immediately!
persimmon / 1168 posts
@Adira: this is bs!!! I used to work in a daycare and take food allergy really seriously because I have seen the consequences. I like the idea of your DH stepping in and being the bad cop. I would talk to the teacher's supervisor ASAP and if they don't take it seriously find him a new program. Sorry you are dealing with this
pear / 1787 posts
@Adira: look at your posting history here re: daycare issues. Get over your dislike of confrontation. This is your child's safety. This daycare has shown that they're not going to change, so bite the bullet and find a new place.
persimmon / 1178 posts
@blackbird: your advice rocks and has a do-able option from many perspectives and was kind...wanna be my life coach? ha
@Adira: This SUUUUCKS. And I know it isn't as clear cut as it looks from the outside. I would guess that Xander loves his daycare and that is one of the reasons it would be so hard to switch or burn bridges with them. I would also guess that finding a new daycare would be very difficult and maybe impossible.
If you choose to stay at the daycare and still struggle with confrontation, and your partner doesn't do 'bad cop', consider emails to both the director and staff regarding your expectations. It is not the most assertive thing in the world but it is a step in the right direction. You can keep it clear but nice, or add a little explanation of the consequence of them not following your dietary restriction; at this point you are well within your rights to complain to your government organization that licenses daycares.
The email has several benefits: it gives you a chance to organize your thoughts, you avoid direct confrontation but still communicate your anger and expectations, and, my favorite, EVERYTHING is in writing. You can even request that the recipients reply with an acknowledgement that they have received the message.
(I have done this not as a parent, but professionally when there were breaches of contract for my services but I didn't want to completely alienate the customer.)
Good luck. Hang in there.
admin / wonderful grape / 20724 posts
It is insane that they're doing that! So sorry you have to deal with it... I would immediately pull my kid and talk to the director as well.
squash / 13764 posts
Just want to offer support! I'm sure you must be upset about the whole thing, and I'm sure it's not as easy as 1-2-3 to find a new daycare.
That being said, I would 100% start looking, and plan to move him once a spot opens up somewhere else. It's up to you whether you want to further the confrontation in the meantime. I personally would, because god forbid they take it a step further with the experimentation and he ends up in the ER. I can't tell if the issue is that they think they know better than you re: his allergies and what he can/can't handle, or whether it's laziness/forgetfulness--doubtful, since it sounds like they purposely gave him things they know he's not supposed to have. Regardless, I wouldn't feel comfortable having my child watched by people I don't trust, simple as that.
@blackbird: great breakdown of the options! totally agree.
persimmon / 1479 posts
My LO has a dairy allergy too (although not anaphylactic).We bring all of our own milk and food. DD only gets fresh fruits and veggies from daycare.
I can't even imagine if my child had that severe of a reaction to something and daycare intentionally gave it to them-not raising hell.
nectarine / 2631 posts
I am so sorry you are going through this- as someone who works with kids in the director level- if something happened that one of my parents wasn't happy about (aka someone experimenting with his life....)- I would expect the shit show and to be yelled at.... that's what parents do to protect their child- that's what you need to do in this situation. I don't mean to be harsh- but they are endangering the life of your child by giving him things he is allergic too- that in itself deserves a rampage- and switching schools. You cant be passive on this. I totally feel for you- this just sucks!!!
kiwi / 556 posts
I am horrified. Agree with PPs. Make it extremely clear tot he daycare director that they did something that could have killed your son because they decided they knew better than medical professionals and you, and find a new daycare.
clementine / 828 posts
I don't like confrontations either but in this case, my mama bear would come out rip their effin heads off. It sucks that you have to deal with this at all but think of it this way, your LO is still so young and can't advocate for himself. He can't tell them "don't feed me that, I can't eat it or I may die". It is our jobs as parents to protect our children and advocate for them. This whole situation is making me so mad and it is not even my kid! As difficult as it is, I think you're going to have to dig deep and find that mama bear.
cantaloupe / 6206 posts
Adira.. i think you need to take your obvious frustration with them (as is apparent from your multiple threads on here complaining about it!) and direct it toward action. Stewing in anger and avoiding confrontation is absolutely not healthy for you (or X!). It's healthy to react and be angry - then move forward and take action. I think this is an awesome opportunity for you to practice being confrontational either by speaking to the director or just pulling X out altogether (your choice).
nectarine / 2085 posts
I think you were clear enough! No dairy isn't a hard concept and you've been explicit about that.
Still, I agree with the others that I would find another place to put your son during the day. This center does not deserve your trust anymore.
Because it sounds like it isn't possible to move daycares immediately, I would start documenting all of your concerns in emails or letters to the director and the teachers, if they have work email, today. Express your grave disappointment at their disregard of your explicit instructions and your expectation that they will follow your directions to a T in the future. You can hand the teachers copies at drop-off or pick-up if they don't have email. Keep copies of everything you send and be as clear as possible regarding how you want your son to be fed. I'd personally put the important parts in bullet points like "[My son] should NOT be fed dairy" and bold that part. Tell the director you want the teachers to hang those directions up in the part of the classroom where the food is served so they have to walk past it every time there is a meal. Then I would check to make sure that they are there every day.
I'm sorry you're dealing with this. They have put you in an unfair position--leave or be run roughshod over--and that isn't your fault, although I do feel that it reflects very poorly on them.
I think documenting all of your concerns from here on out is important. Words that are spoken are easier to ignore than ones that are written down.
nectarine / 2973 posts
I would find a new daycare. As a fellow mom of a child with a dairy allergy I would be livid!! They shouldn't be experimenting with dairy without your consent. I could even forgive them if they disclosed that they accidently gave something with dairy because I know how hard it is with dairy being in everything. But knowingly going against my wishes would not fly with me!
pomelo / 5132 posts
I'm so sorry that you've had to deal with this. I'm mad for you, and worried for Xander. This is negligence on their part--their one job is to take care of the children there, and they have not done that. Although confrontation is hard and awkward and not fun, you can bet I'd be in that director's face about this. I agree that you should speak to the director in person, and the teachers should definitely know that this is NOT okay.
Although it won't be easy to find another daycare, I simply would not be comfortable keeping my child there, especially considering this isn't even your first issue with them, and more importantly because it is not their place to experiment on your child. You make the rules to protect him. Now go do it.
pomelo / 5073 posts
@Adira: I don't like confrontations, but it's your child's life. You can never be too cautious regarding a known, deadly allergy. I'd have been up there demanding to talk to the directory and staying with her the next day. That's so scary.
pomelo / 5258 posts
@Adira: OMG - was yesterday national feed kids allergens day???
My daycare gave LO eggs yesterday "because she's such a good eater (they) don't think she's really allergic. BTW (they're) going to start giving fish too." WTF??? I happen to not think my LO really has an egg allergy but we've discussed that her allergist said 18 months after her reaction at 6 months.
Your situation is much scarier. It feels horrible when people you trust violate that trust.
ETA: Just so you know, I didn't say anything about the egg daycare fed my LO. I was too shocked and honestly too interested in whether or not she reacted. I'm pretty sure my whole reaction was "don't feed her fish until I do - I'll do it soon."
Clearly I do not handle confrontation well. I just read everyone's messages to you and I'm going to psych myself up for a talk with the lady (in home so no director). Even though nothing happened to my LO I don't want her to think it's OK at all for the next kid.
apricot / 373 posts
I hope you can find a solution to this issue soon; it is serious.
If I were to have the same history as you seem to with my kid's daycare -- and then they did this, despite all previous conversations -- there is absolutely no way that I would keep my kid there any longer.
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