Has this ever happened to anyone?
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Our company does it regularly. Although I believe they still pay you for two weeks even though they don't have you coming in anymore.
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@Miss Ariel: okay. Interesting. That seems fair enough if the employee is still paid for that time.
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My hubby's job does this if you accept a job from a competitor.
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@FancyGem: @Miss Ariel: this was not to go to a competitor, and I am assuming it is not paid. Thanks for the info!
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This happened to me many years ago. I was not paid for any unworked time. There were no issues between the employer and myself, it was a company policy.
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Depending on your access and position, our company severs ties immediately once you give notice. There is no "2 weeks".
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I know of companies or specific roles that this applies to. For example in sales a lot of time your day you give notice is your last day because what's really the point? But I've always heard of it being paid unless there was some sort of misconduct.
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Yeah, no misconduct, no pay. In this specific case it reinforces why people don't give two weeks. If the employee hadn't, the employee would still be working until the agreed upon date. (A week from now.) The company is adamantly arguing that it is not a discharge, that the employee quit... But the company was the moving party prior to the date all parties had agreed upon.
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@Greentea: This is common in my industry depending on your position and level of exposure. It doesn't matter where you are going they often walk you once you give notice. I have never heard of not getting paid, can you check with a labour lawyer?
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I don't think that's too unusual. A couple of places I've worked before would just tell people to leave rather than give two weeks notice. You would not get paid anymore either. I think most people would just start their new job right away.
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Not personally but it is common especially if the relationship is "at will."
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@mrswin: Yes, we'll probably have to.
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@MrsSCB: Never heard of that, most times people line up a job to begin two weeks later, so they can respect the employer by giving two weeks, at least in my experience, but that would be nice if the new employer was just ready and eager to take the employee (at any moment)!
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DH is in sales and never gives notice because they immediately fire you and don't pay you.
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@catomd00: that's terrible. I just feel like the employee is being pooped on for doing the professional, proper, and correct thing.
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@Greentea: I think any time you give notice you should be prepared for the possibility that the company will choose to cut ties at that moment. Especially when as @MrsH: said the relationship is "at will". It sounds like from one of your responses that there is one lost week of work, hiring an attorney and fighting it will likely cost more than the lost wages, and my guess is you wouldn't win anyway so I doubt it's worth it.
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@Greentea: What is the industry?
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In my industry, your last day is often the day you give notice, to safeguard the company. The two weeks are not paid.
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The company I work for lets you go the day you give notice for most office and upper level employees since they have access to sensitive info. Low level labor is kept on. There is no pay once you're let go.
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There was an agreed upon end date in writing, so that is the cause of the frustration.
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This happened to me, but I was compensated for the two weeks.
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While this has not happened to me, I have always been under the understanding that it is not uncommon for a company to decide to let you go right away when you give notice. It sucks, but there really isn't anything that you can do.
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This happened to my DH once when he worked for a company that contracts with the gov't. He wasn't paid out, so thankfully he only gave one week's notice!
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My company does this, but they pay you through the two weeks. They turn off your access rightaway and want their stuff back asap.
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To be clear, there was an agreed upon end date and the employee arranged the new employment after that date, then is not being allowed to work the second week.
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Wow. In my company, policy is that you must give two weeks notice. The company can choose to not have you work that two weeks, but they must pay you.
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@Greentea: yeah it's weird to me, too. But, he's been in sales for 15 years and says that's industry standard, so I guess everyone knows about it and plans accordingly. What's worse is that he hasn't been paid commission owed to him after he's left on two or three occasions now. That really pisses me off!
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Sort of, I was kind of brought into the discussion but I wanted to go so it was a non-issue.
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Not to me, but I know of several instances where this has happened. I don't think its uncommon.
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I've had Employers get mad when I have one month notice! I've never heard of immediate termination with quitting. How stressful!
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Also - per my current contract, I have to give 90 days! Could have to repay bonuses, moving expenses if I don't give 90 days.
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Wow, this is really all over the board, as far as different experiences and policies! There's been some drama. They are trying to say the employee quit, he wasn't fired or discharged, but obviously the employee is ready and willing to work the rest of the week as agreed, so they are the moving party. HR told the employee they were told the employee quit today, and that's obviously not true, so the manager is lying and they are trying to manipulative the employee to sign separation papers. It is pretty obnoxious!
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My company does this but it's paid.
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My husband lost his job a month ago. We're an "at will" state. In his termination letter, it said that his last day was the day of termination. He was paid out through the pay period in two payments. Everything you described above sounds totally normal.
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@Greentea: will the week of pay really make a huge financial difference? Is there some other reason why it matters if he quit or got fired? Is he trying to claim unemployment for the week? I just don't think I would try to fight this battle with a company he is leaving who doesn't want him to stick around. Just cut ties without burning bridges, and enjoy a week off before starting his new job.
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@Greentea: But didn't the employee quit? Otherwise, where did the 2 week agreement come from? I don't think the fact that the employer is letting the EE go a week early changes the fact that the EE quit in the first place. Is this your husband? (I only ask because I thought you said they were firing him for misconduct?). It stinks to lose out on a week's pay, but if you give notice, you should be ready to leave immediately - in my opinion.
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When I worked in public accounting and was client facing this was very common. I left firms 3 times in that career...twice I gave notice - they accepted my end date and then either told me not to come in or I was basically allowed to only come to the office and did no work for two weeks...
On the third occasion I was moving back home and my departure was well known by the client. I worked until my last day at the client but this was def not the norm.
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Sounds normal to me - once you quit they give you about 2 hours to pack up and they escort you out
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I agree with @Truth Bombs, seems better to leave on as good terms as possible. What if they want a reference down the line? I know it sucks to not get paid for a week, but I still don't see why you would want to say you got fired rather than you quit for a new job.
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