If you do, does it cause any bitterness? If you don't know, are you dying to know?
If you do, does it cause any bitterness? If you don't know, are you dying to know?
hostess / wonderful apple seed / 16729 posts
I don't know and I don't want to know. I don't think any good will come from knowing.
ETA: I skimmed the article. I see equal pay is a possible advantage of knowing, but it knowing that info can cause unnecessary tension. There's sometimes already enough tension without knowing how much my coworkers make.
coconut / 8430 posts
I knew what some of my coworkers made (the ones I was friends with). Even though we were friends, it annoyed me when I thought I was a better employee and I'm sure it annoyed them when they thought *they* were a better employee!
Overall I don't think it really adds any happiness, but I'm nosy and still want to know. I guess I'm just a sucker
bananas / 9899 posts
I do, but only because I own the company. We make a point to keep each person's salary private. I think they all get paid very fairly (based on their experience, how long they've been with us, etc).
papaya / 10560 posts
Yes. It's pretty easy in a school where I work since t's based on years of experience.
wonderful kiwi / 23653 posts
I don't know and I don't want to! At my last job I knew and it def caused bitterness/tension between people!
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
I have an idea. I used to work abroad where there are published salary bands per rank, so that was pretty transparent.
pomegranate / 3113 posts
Roughly. I work for the government and we have a grade-and-step scale so I can make a pretty good guess based on how long they have been working here. I don't care about exact numbers, though, because this setup makes it pretty hard to have big pay disparities amongst similar positions.
pomelo / 5220 posts
Yes, but we are state employees so it is all based on steps and grades. Oh and its published in the newspaper every year with our names.
apricot / 469 posts
No but I will say in my previous job I had access to everyones salary because of my position and it was eye opening in terms of the disparity between men and women for the same job with the same experience. It was surprising as it is a large organization but not surprising in the sense of how women who went on maternity leave could kiss promotions goodbye etc.
it was a very disappointing experience.
GOLD / eggplant / 11517 posts
Roughly, yes, but that's because I've worked most positions here and the ones I haven't worked the,people are verbal about their income
pomegranate / 3577 posts
I know they make more, but I don't know how much they make. (Nor do I care.)
pomegranate / 3388 posts
There are some data on average salaries at different levels that are available. From that, I believe I'm at the high end for my level, but I'm not 100% sure. I like having at least the average broken down by gender available, since there can be pretty significant pay disparities between men and women in the same profession.
cherry / 181 posts
Yes, I'm a teacher and there is a step-and-column for our pay based on education level and years of teaching experience. So I have a general sense what people make at my school.
I think it's important to be able to discuss you pay in workplaces where it is not transparent. Women are often the victims of getting paid less, and how can that change if we don't know salaries?
cantaloupe / 6692 posts
I work for the state and you can get online and view any state workers salary.
grapefruit / 4136 posts
I know exactly what mine make because I'm in HR and can see it. It doesn't bother me because I guess since I'm on the hr side and I feel like I'm very fair when I make offers I don't see it as an issue. But maybe I'd feel different if I weren't in this position!
cantaloupe / 6634 posts
Yup! I am a teacher and we are on a pay scale based only on education and years in service.
honeydew / 7235 posts
No!! I'd be curious to know, but not really my biz - just nosy!
nectarine / 2280 posts
Yep! When I want to get especially annoyed I look up my coworkers. Some people's salaries are so beyond ridiculous.
blogger / wonderful cherry / 21616 posts
A couple... I know that the girl who started the same time as me (with less experience and less education) makes more because A. she already received a promotion and B. her annual review was "more positive" than mine, even though nothing negative was said in mine. I have nothing against her personally and I'm happy she's made such incredible progress so soon into her career... but it does make me question why she has advanced so quickly and I haven't.
I also know what one other coworker makes because we were friends before she became my coworker, and recently started, so she makes significantly less.
nectarine / 2667 posts
Not exactly, but I know most of them make less than me. I've worked in several school districts with public pay scales like others have said. My last district did away with the grade-step scale, so no one really knew unless they asked.
I just got hired at a Montessori preschool. I basically named my salary, so the director asked me not to share how much I'm making since I'm at the top of the pay range (which is where the teachers who've been there 10 years are and I'm brand new).
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
I don't know, but I'm curious. We have a pay grade, so I know the range that people of my level are within, but it's a fairly large range, so I'm definitely curious where people are. I think that knowledge could be useful when trying to negotiate a raise or a promotion! I'd especially like to know how valued I am in the company compared to my peers.
pomegranate / 3580 posts
Nope, don't want to either. I've been asked by a few coworkers how much I make but I never tell them.
GOLD / grapefruit / 4007 posts
Yes! but only because I run payroll. I know what everyone makes !
cantaloupe / 6730 posts
I have in the past and it's a bad idea because then you start comparing and wondering why they get more. Now I purposely avoid finding out.
persimmon / 1230 posts
@joyfulkiwi: Congratulations on your new job!
@renee: I'm often uncomfortable about discussing pay with coworkers, but you make a good point about gender equality and salary transparency.
I'm a teacher and a few years ago all school district employee salaries were published in the paper. My district did away with annual steps around that time and now pay raises are based on a combination of evaluations and PDs attended, so it's not as easy to figure out what other people make.
papaya / 10473 posts
I know because we are grant funded, and I proofread/edit/review the grant submissions and revisions.
nectarine / 2667 posts
Thank you @Katrocap: ! It's a big change for me (I've been in public school for 7 years), but I'm welcoming the challenge - and the tuition break for our son! My last district sounds a lot like yours, with the different salary system. I liked it, but it was only in the beginning stages. Do you like yours?
pomelo / 5258 posts
Comparison is the thief of joy. I don't know and I don't want to know.... but if my coworkers salaries were listed on a sheet of paper in front of me I couldn't resist the urge to peek.
nectarine / 2220 posts
Yeah, I could roughly guess. I work in a union environment, so the job grade is published for every position, and then you get steps for how long you've been in the position.
coconut / 8234 posts
I know exactly what everyone at my job makes because I have to look at payroll sometimes for expense reporting for our government contracts. But we are a small company so there's no jealousy or tension about it--I think all of us should be making a lot more!
pineapple / 12802 posts
No and, although I wouldn't stop someone if they slipped up and told me, I don't want to know. One of my coworkers tries to get me to tell her all the time, really sly comments/questions that she thinks will make me spill my salary. But, I refuse to talk about that shiz with my coworkers. I think it creates unnecessary drama (unless you obviously have to see that on payroll, etc). But just to talk about it? No thanks.
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