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How do you feel about the push to pay college athletes?
Again, I am against it. Don't they already get a free ride to college? I think that is enough!
SO on the cheerleader post
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How do you feel about the push to pay college athletes?
Again, I am against it. Don't they already get a free ride to college? I think that is enough!
wonderful grape / 20453 posts
Yeah, their education is typically their "payment". Although if you walk onto a team and don't get scholarship, it's a hobby. It looks good on your resume/helps you get a job.
eggplant / 11824 posts
I don’t think we should pay college athletes. The priority is supposed to be on school/education (though obviously I know it’s too often not); sports are the extracurricular. I also think many college athletes already receive lots of perks; they don’t need straight up cash on top of it.
wonderful kiwi / 23653 posts
College anything? I don't think so. That's def an extracurricular activity!
grapefruit / 4442 posts
I think its against NCAA rules to be paid, I personally believe if you're paid you should be considered a professional athlete. I think if they're to be paid it should be paid in tuition, room and board.
wonderful grape / 20453 posts
@yoursilverlining, yeah, like the "easy classes" at big ten universities. Talk about a perk!
pomegranate / 3643 posts
I don't think we should pay them. My DH is very for it, given the amount of hours and commitment that college athletes give to their school, and how much some schools make off of their football or basketball programs. But you would have to pay all college athletes, not just the ones in high revenue generating sports. The cost of that would just be passed on to students, rather than coming out of those sports, and I don't think that is fair.
BUT, I do think college athletes should be allowed to profit off of themselves. Right now they are prohibited (and harshly penalized) for doing things like selling their signature. Whereas the school can sell a jersey with their name on it and keep all of the profits. I think that is very wrong.
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
I don't know the details of how they got to this, but I think where I attended school, they got a stipend of some sort in addition to 5 years tuition.
One athlete drove around in a brand new BMW M3 when I was a senior, there was a lot of speculation about how that happened. I think the majority of student athletes were discreet, but there's always someone that spoils it for everyone.
honeydew / 7091 posts
I do not think College Athletes should be paid. It's similar to the various clubs and organizations on campus - students are going to college to find their career, and these extracurriculars are stepping stones to make yourself stand out.
pomelo / 5820 posts
I don't think they should be paid. That being said, some colleges make a LOT of money on their sports teams. Ticket sales, merchandise, concessions... etc. I would hope the athletes that play in the games are at least receiving scholarships in return. But I don't think they should actually get paid in cash.
coconut / 8430 posts
Hmm... I don't think so. However, it is very tricky. The ACC has a $1.86 billion 12 year contract with ESPN. I can see why the athletes think they are entitled to compensation, but I think the fact that they are getting a free education (in their major) as well as free training in their sport should be compensation enough.
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
Well maybe they should get paid, they'd have to pay taxes on it and it could be a lesson in money management.
I think a large part of the problem is that truly talented athletes feel that they can skip college and go straight pro. They see dollar signs and that's it. They don't see that they could potentially become injured and their career is over with no back up plan.
pomelo / 5220 posts
I don't think they should be paid, as PP have said - the education is their payment. The rest of us were paying $20, 30, 40k a year to be there. Plus the money earned by the schools is being used to supplement lots of other underfunded programs, including other sports, educational and research programs. Our athletes got a "stipend" as well, even though their food, housing, books and laptops were paid for - in addition to plenty of free clothing, sneakers, etc.
papaya / 10473 posts
Heck no.
I was a college athlete, and considered my college education more than adequate and generous.
GOLD / squash / 13464 posts
Absolutely not. Many of them get scholarships to schools they could never afford to attend on their own and that is payment enough. If they think they are good enough to get paid they are welcome to go ahead and declare for the draft to the NBA/NFL/MLB, etc
GOLD / squash / 13464 posts
@sunny: Your point on free training in their sport (and exposure to professional scouts) is spot on.
GOLD / wonderful olive / 19030 posts
No, they get college and living expenses covered, more than any other college student. Plus free clothes, shoes, ect. & exposure to people and alumni most students could only dream about.
hostess / wonderful watermelon / 39513 posts
I don't know how I feel but I read this recently after hearing one of the advocates for this website on the radio:
http://www.ncpanow.org/about/the-free-ride-should-we-complain
pomegranate / 3314 posts
I don't think there's an easy answer to this question, but I do think it's messed up how much money universities make from their athletic programs while the "talent" is supposed to be satisfied with having the cost of education covered. I also have some thoughts as to how race and power play into this issue, but I don't even know if I want to go into that on here! Some things are better left unsaid
ETA: There's something about the phrase "free ride" that doesn't sit well with me. Make no mistake - athletes are making serious money for the universities they represent. So yeah, okay, I guess they get a free education. But compare that to what the universities make off of them and it becomes a little more complicated.
pomelo / 5257 posts
I'm not sure....Given how much money college athletes make for their schools, for broadcasting companies, etc. I can see an argument for why they should be paid. Also, being a college athlete does not exactly leave time to get an after-school job if they need any additional money. Yes, they get a "free ride" to school, but plenty of other people who have full scholarships are able to also work for more money outside of school.
papaya / 10343 posts
Nope. Sports programs are already such a money suck for most universities (contrary to popular belief, for the most part having a big sports program COSTS the school money) I don't think they should be spending MORE money on it.
GOLD / pomegranate / 3938 posts
I don't think college athletes should be paid. For my own selfish reason, it would totally change the way the game is played.
grapefruit / 4649 posts
I am not sure. I feel like maybe a way for them to compromise is to maybe make it eligible for some sort of work study program so the required hours for some sports get paid like $10-$12 an hour. I don't know where the lines would be drawn and that would be a whole extra kettle if fish. At the same time some of these athletes are required to spend massive amounts of time with their team which doesn't leave much time for a part time job. So even if you have a free ride you might still need money for books and other things what do you do? I had scholarships for most of my tuition but room and board and other incidentals cost a lot and I had to when through school and will had student loans. I simply couldn't have committed to daily practices that lasted hours because I couldn't afford to spend my time that way.
pomegranate / 3791 posts
Nope. There's plenty of students involved in college government, plays, etc., that spend just as much time on those activities as the athletes do. It's an extracurricular activity (despite most of the country's obsession), and getting a free education with room and board is payment enough.
persimmon / 1420 posts
I feel like if the athletes don't like the way they are treated, then perhaps they shouldn't be playing for their particular university. Don't like the heat? Get out the kitchen. No one is FORCING them to play. It's totally an option!
cherry / 133 posts
@Mae: You are spot on about this. DH has worked in college athletics for the past 17 years. During that time, he has worked for seven schools and only one of those athletic departments ever turned a profit.
coconut / 8498 posts
@Mae: That's the kicker. (Not the only one, but...) the colleges and universities that do make a profit are actually few and far between. There's no good way to standardize it because the vast majority of schools would end up losing their athletic programs altogether.
admin / wonderful grape / 20724 posts
I think it's crazy that colleges and universities have become the farm system for professional sports leagues.
Baseball has its own farm league, so if you don't want to go to college... you can just play (minor league) ball (and get paid to do so). I think they should force basketball and football to do the same.
pomelo / 5257 posts
@mrbee: I agree with this. It seems like a lot of college athletes don't even care about the education part and are just going through with it to get their shot at playing professionally. That seems like a waste for the athlete and the school. The school could be spending that scholarship money on a student who WANTS to be there, and the athlete could focus solely on their sport. I guess basketball does have the D league, but it doesn't seem to be the first choice for a lot of NBA prospects over going to college.
pomegranate / 3791 posts
@mrbee: But the pay for minor league baseball is absolutely terrible! Heck, those players would probably be better off with the free college/room/board deal.
admin / wonderful grape / 20724 posts
@wonderstruck: I agree, and think the MiLB system should be held accountable for the terrible pay of their workers! But I think it's better that it all happen outside the college system, rather than inside of it.
squash / 13764 posts
@MamaMoose: but don't basketball players need to attend college for at least a year? Not sure about other sports...
I agree that they should be able to profit off themselves (signatures, jerseys, etc). They're not allowed to accept ANYTHING--there was a crazy story about a player being given some money by a coach to buy food or something and he was kicked off the team.
pear / 1998 posts
I have complicated feelings about this. In general, and for the majority of athletes in college, the sport they are playing is at the highest level and they will continue onto careers NOT in their respective sport. In these cases, scholarships/room and board are absolutely enough.
The problem I have is what @mrbee: pointed out. The BIG sports at the BIG colleges (the big money makers) are profiting off of the talent of these specific athletes that really just want to play as a professional. This is a tiny amount of student athletes, but they are the ones that this controversy is really about. They are not in school to earn a degree - it's the next step to becoming a pro.
I agree with @jedeve: that they should be able to profit off of their fame through merchandise, autographs, etc.
I think this issue is too often oversimplified.
wonderful pea / 17279 posts
The coaches are paid well. College basketball and football subsidizes other sport programs. The televised games is free advertising for the schools. These programs bring in so much for the schools. These athletes should receive some compensation.
cantaloupe / 6017 posts
I think this article sums it up nicely: http://grantland.com/features/northwestern-ncaa-college-athletics-union/
And yes. I think its pretty corrupt what big name NCAA schools are doing.
An example from the article: "Players are not allowed to profit from their own images, but are required to sign away the rights to their names and likenesses to Northwestern and the Big Ten"
And, again, from the article and a very important point: "Amateurism is about people with power controlling people with talent. It contorts to fit any number of agendas. If the slavery metaphor makes you uncomfortable, ask yourself whether you would like to spend the next few years working 50-hour weeks for room and board and the chance to sit in on some French classes while your boss made millions off your efforts. If not, you are against amateurism. It’s that simple."
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