coconut / 8279 posts
@winniebee: why would there be a disposal if you're not supposed to use it?
also 10 tampons/few wipes won't break pipes
ridiculous
pomelo / 5607 posts
@winniebee: I've always flushed tampons too! And another vote for so not on you to pay.
pomelo / 5678 posts
@winniebee: The entire time I have been talking about wipes. Anyhow, at least you can feel okay about your position if you feel you would treat your tenants similarly to how you hope your landlord will treat you in the handling of this.
grapefruit / 4361 posts
I'm really, really surprised about all the flushing of tampons. That's why there are "feminine product" disposal boxes in almost all public restrooms. My gym, my library, and my workplace all have signs informing users that feminine products can't be flushed because they don't degrade. You all know how big a fully expanded tampon gets, right........?
I've never flushed a tampon in 15 years.
Regardless, it's the landlords responsibility. However, I see their point. Maybe you could split the bill?
pineapple / 12234 posts
Wow! I've always flushed tampons and flushable wipes!
I think your landlord is being ridiculous. Like pp's said, unless there was something really odd that was flushed, like a toy, then I think you should pay.
hostess / wonderful apple seed / 16729 posts
I always flushed tampons and I know baby wipes aren't flushable but there are flushable bathroom wipes from Cottonelle that are labeled as flushable (they are found in the store near the toilet paper sometimes). If I got them, I would flush 'flushable' wipes.
I've always rented but I would assume this is wear and tear that the landlord would pay for.
grapefruit / 4903 posts
I think they found stuff that's not meant to be flushed. If I were the landlord, I would consider that having contributed to the problem, and I don't think it'd be out of line to ask you to chip in. I don't think you should have to pay for the entire repair though. Totally crummy situation.
grapefruit / 4361 posts
Nothing is flushable except for toilet paper. Just a good note for everyone going forward. Let's not do that to our water reclamation facilities.
cantaloupe / 6669 posts
I've always flushed tampons! You can't make me stop!
I have seen signs in the public bathrooms of old buildings that say to not flush feminine products of any kind, so I kind of knew that old pipes are not as tampon friendly. But we've never lived in an old house.
We also use flushable toddler wipes (that is what it says on the label) for LO now that she is potty trained. Before, I never flushed baby wipes, but just because they always went in the Diaper Genie. Not because I was afraid of clogging the pipes.
For what it's worth, we are currently landlords and if this happened, as much as I would hate it, I would not expect our renters to pay for it unless they flushed something totally non-toilet friendly like a toy. I figure if they are essentially using the house how I would, that counts as regular wear & tear.
But I really-really-really hope this doesn't happen to us!
coconut / 8430 posts
@DesertDreams88: I always thought those boxes were for pads. Guess I was wrong!!!
pineapple / 12566 posts
This thread has been eye-opening for me; I am totally blown away that you aren't supposed to flush tampons! Obviously, if I see a sign in a public bathroom indicating otherwise, I heed the instructions as I assume they have older pipes. But in any case, it's a moot point for me since I switched to a menstrual cup last year, and I won't go back to tampons!
As for the situation at hand, I agree that the small quantity of non flushable items likely did not cause the back up and the renters should not be liable.
pomegranate / 3601 posts
I don't think you should have to pay especially considering that you haven't lived in the house for long.
Regarding the tampon flushing:
The Tampax website says not to http://tampax.com/en-us/tips-and-article/how-to-insert-a-tampon
wonderful pea / 17279 posts
You flush tampons? My dad was with me when I first start menstruating and that was the one thing he was adamant about- don't flush feminine products down the toilet. I use Tampa Pearl and neither the applicator or tampon is flushable. I know there are some flushable wipes for grown ups like Cottonelle, but didn't know about the flushable wipes for baby.
Obviously, you couldn't have prevented the old pipes, but the tampons and wipes- yes. To me that doesn't fall on the landlord.
@Greentea: I agree with you, I thought it was common knowledge too. Now, I will have to make sure my SIL (our renter) knows not flush her feminine products because I'm not paying for that!
wonderful pea / 17279 posts
Wether pipes are old or new, I dont think the SIZE of the pipes have changed, maybe the MATERIAL.
pomelo / 5607 posts
@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: Our pipes are older, and the problem is that they're galvanized steel. Sediment builds up and makes them smaller over time (same idea as clogged arteries).
hostess / wonderful grape / 20803 posts
@Pumuckl: to be clear, we have lived here for a year! But I've been pregnant or nursing the entire time so only have had a few random periods ;). Also the only times west have flushed wipes is with our now potty trained son if he had a little something that needed more than toilet paper. Which would be one wipe occasionally.
pear / 1718 posts
I see this a little differently. I don't think it's unreasonable for your landlord to expect you to contribute to the repair costs based on the plumbers' findings. If it had been a cracked pipe (from tree root invasion or something like that) I would not expect you to pay. But in this situation, because it involved tampons, wipes, and food matter (not all food should be put in the garbage disposal, and it's hard to say whether the food would have been an issue but for the wipes/tampons), I would have asked you to pay for part of the bill/portion of the labor. I would try to negotiate with the landlord if possible.
cantaloupe / 6630 posts
I had no idea you weren't supposed to flush tampons.
And I do flush the 'flushable' wipes we use on our potty trained toddler.
I think your landlord should pay. I have rented various properties for 17 years now and never had any plumbing issues with tampons.
persimmon / 1328 posts
I don't know what's appropriate in this situation, but fwiw I have always flushed tampons unless there's a sign telling me not to! I thought everyone did.
wonderful clementine / 24134 posts
I agree, we were taught to never flush anything in a household plumbing. Now if you are in an industrial/public bathroom, thats one thing. Apparently houses can have a chopper/blade thing that will help chop stuff up, but in general we dont flush anything. My husband is kinda picky about what goes in the disposal (like if we peel a bag of potatoes, we trash it) but we definitely use it.
Edit - In this situation, if you weren't told, I dont think you should be required to pay. And as others have said, who knows how long this back up has been building up. This is part maintenance of the house. I would just be very general in your letter about we have done nothing outside the normal wear and tear of renters.
squash / 13208 posts
@winniebee: no I don't think you should be responsible since you were never told NOT to do those things. And who is to say they weren't in the pipes BEFORE you moved in.
wonderful pea / 17279 posts
@Torchwood: I figured the material would make a difference; however, even in newer buildings I have seem signs about not flushing female products or thick paper towels. Too much of anything will clog tube and pipes.
wonderful pea / 17279 posts
@travelgirl1: do you know for sure if your renters flushed their tampons though?
pomegranate / 3863 posts
@sunny: Lol, same here about the boxes in public restrooms! I grew up in an 1800's era house and always flushed tampons and now we live in a 1938 home and I've always flushed tampons. I guess I've been lucky that there was never an issue?
As a landlord, I wouldn't ask my tenant to pay for plumbing issues unless there was gross neglect (tennis ball/toys/other large items found in the pipes) which doesn't sound like the case in your situation. I also have a garbage disposal in the kitchen and I fully expect them to use it and for it to need repairs on my dime every now and then!
hostess / wonderful grape / 20803 posts
@pwnstar: we definitely do not put all food down the disposal! In my own home (we owned a home before moving), I never put egg shells, vegetable peels, hard vegetables (like big broccoli stems) down there. We truly use it for food "scraps" when washing dishes.
I have never ever had a sewer backup before living in this house. I'm not sure if it had anything to do with it, but there is a massive sewer main project going on on our street for the last 6 months. Construction and road work every day on our street.
wonderful pea / 17279 posts
@T.H.O.U.: I'm the same way as your hubby. After incurring a plumbing bill for my parents of trying to dispose of cooked, but hardened rice- I don't put anything that is tough down the garbage disposal.
honeydew / 7504 posts
Um, I have flushed tampons (the actual cotton part, not the applicator) for my entire menstruating life. The only time I don't is when there is a sign specifically stating not to, like in older buildings.
cantaloupe / 6397 posts
I googled and found this, it's strangely fascinating?
http://jezebel.com/time-to-accept-reality-and-stop-flushing-tampons-down-t-1566737300
I have never heard of flushing tampons before! Given that so many people do though, I think I may side with you on this one... but I wouldn't flush them anymore if I were you!
pomegranate / 3791 posts
This is ridiculous. What on earth is with all the disgust and disbelief that people flush their tampons? Tampons are labeled as flushable. If the landlord never specified that they shouldn't be putting things labeled as flushable in the toilet, the landlord should have said something. Clearly it's not common knowledge that everyone is told, and is in fact the opposite of the instructions on the product.
ETA: not saying everyone who doesn't flush sounds like this. But some of these posts are written as if those who flush are idiots or something.
pomelo / 5000 posts
Yuck--sewage backup is such a nasty situation. I'm sorry!
I'm not going to address what is or is not flushable, but I will say that I don't think a nasty letter loaded with legalese is the way to win this one. I would try a gentler approach first and save dropping the hammer for later. People get crazy when lots of money is involved, so it could be that he had a freak out moment, but he'll settle down.
cantaloupe / 6630 posts
@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: I was always the renter so yes. We have never owned.
hostess / wonderful persimmon / 25556 posts
@wonderstruck: Exactly.
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@winniebee: the sewer work is very suspect.
wonderful pea / 17279 posts
@wonderstruck: I'll speak for myself, but I've had guests ask for small bags to place their feminine products in when at my home because they didn't want to leave it my trash can and would dispose of it later at their own. The first time this happened my friend and I were in 9th grade. And the products I use specifically state do not flush. Which brand do you use that's flushable?
pomelo / 5660 posts
I'm totally adding a clause to our next lease saying what can and can't be flushed down the toilet. It's interesting all the different perspectives.
pomegranate / 3791 posts
@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: Look at the instructions here. Super popular brand and flushing is the first option listed as how to dispose of the tampon. Quote: 6. Removal: relax your muscles. Try getting into the position you used during insertion. Gently pull down on the strings. The tampon should slide out easily. Flush the used tampon or place in an appropriate waste container.
pomegranate / 3393 posts
I don't know about the landlord, but I've always been told that even if it's marketed as flushable, you never flush tampons or wipes of any kind! Nothing but toilet paper, preferably not, like, 4 ply quilted and whatnot
coconut / 8483 posts
How do they even know it's your tampons and wipes being flushed?? If you've been there a year haven't many others been there before you?
hostess / wonderful grape / 20803 posts
@BandDmommy: you should. Our lease discusses damage by pests and bed bugs but is silent as to plumbing. In light of this, my feeling is that a court would interpret the lease in my favor.
pomelo / 5660 posts
@winniebee: I actually already sent email to our agent. Luckily we have only had male renters so no issues. But definitely will address when we have new tenants in the Spring.
wonderful pea / 17279 posts
@travelgirl1: oh ok, I misread your post!
@wonderstruck: Playtex is more convenient than mine- Tampax. Another poster posted those instructions.
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