http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/have-children-here-s-how-kids-ruin-your-romantic-relationship
http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/have-children-here-s-how-kids-ruin-your-romantic-relationship
pomegranate / 3973 posts
What a depressing article!
I think 'romance' is something you have to work on regardless as time goes on, and kids definitely make it harder, but I wouldn't say they 'ruin' it. It's akin to saying 'kids are why we got divorced' and {most} parents aren't going to blame divorce on their children.
I think maybe the definition of romance changes when you have kids..
grapefruit / 4988 posts
I read something similar before my LO was born, but that study had another part to it that was basically like, if the couple understood ahead of time that having kids would probably negatively affect their relationship and if they stayed pro-active about keeping it healthy, then those people didn't really see any decline in their marriage. So that was a little more positive.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
@Smurfette: haha, yep!
@catlady: Yes! That sounds like a good read! I definitely wish I had known ahead of time just how MUCH having kids would affect our relationship. It's definitely something we have to work much harder at now than we did before. I definitely can see how knowing about it ahead of time and being pro-active can help!
grapefruit / 4187 posts
I couldn't disagree with this article more. Having kids has been hard on our lives in so many ways, but not our relationship. In fact, it's made our marital bond even stronger because the respect we have for each other grows after tackling each new challenge together. We no longer argue over trivial things, I think because there is more trust and understanding than there was before. its both a result of being together for so long and working through the challenges of raising kids!
pomegranate / 3127 posts
Yeah, it's hard to have a conventional romantic relationship when half of your conversations involve bodily functions! Not to mention exhaustion and the lack of time to just be a couple.
I do wonder what the solution is. Maybe it would be easier on couples if we lived in a society where there was more of a "village" helping raise the kids so the parents can at least take a break sometimes. My parents lived with my grandparents when they had kids, so my mom never knew the indignity of having to choose between caring for baby and taking time to shower/dress in clothes that match/brush her hair. It has to be good for a relationship to not start out your life as parents feeling unkempt and overwhelmed.
pomegranate / 3231 posts
Rather than kids "ruining" your romantic relationship, I would argue that (1) thanks to Hollywood, our expectations of a romantic relationship are unreasonably high and (2) thanks to capitalism, the support available to parents is unreasonably low.
wonderful kiwi / 23653 posts
I think we're in the camp of knowing beforehand how much having kids will change our relationship. Not that we were well prepared still, but we had realistic expectations.
coconut / 8279 posts
@Mama Bird: that's my experience, too.. I practically lived with my grandparents and great-aunt (they were next door neighbors and walking distance from our house). My parents always got "me" time. And had free sitters at their disposal.
I have no idea what that's like.
grapefruit / 4800 posts
A recently married acquaintance posted this on FB and my first thought was good, she'll have a better chance at realizing what a loser she married and a better chance of leaving then. So I guess I agree kids can trap people in bad marriages.
I had these mean thoughts in my irritable and pregnant state not wanting to start the kids bedtime routine, so I wasn't exactly a picture of romance when my overworked exhausted stressed out DH got home. Luckily my mean pregnant thoughts he finds hilarious and got a good laugh out of him. So I guess romance looks different for us now
nectarine / 2148 posts
I think the titling is awful as pp said, but I think the content is relatable to a lot of people. I didn't know how hard things would be before having kids... Not sure how anyone would, but marriage takes work. Life has many changes and it's learning to adapt to it. For me too I suffered from ppd and that was really dampering our relationship. But once I was in a better mind and LO started sleeping trough the night things really turned around. If people are going to expect their relationship to be exactly the same as before kids then they are setting themselves up for disappointment. Every couple needs to find a new groove with each other once having kids.
We don't consume our time with talking only about LO. DH and I talk about current events, job, family, friends. We incorporate LO into the events that we already enjoyed doing together, so we aren't losing hobbies we had. Also, I think household items are split 50/50. We also call on family to babysit when we want a night out, which is a big help. It easy to not prioritize your partner when kids are around.
pomelo / 5084 posts
@Eko: Agree.
While that article seems a tad overly negative, I thought I *was* prepared with all the reading I did and the thinking "oh well WE wont be like that!" HAHAHA. Now that we have had almost six months with DS I can absolutely see how you can slip into it being all about the baby if you're not very, very careful ...
coconut / 8472 posts
IDK, I think all long term relationships kind of lose some of the romance. Even without kids, life in the daily grind is not all romantic and wonderful all the time. There's still bills to pay and in-law issues and commuting and working and everything else. Relationships are work no matter what.
Right now life with kids has become the new normal. I barely remember what it was like pre-kids. I mean yeah, we had more freedom to go out at night or take spur of the moment trips. But it's not like we were doing those things every day. I like our life exactly the way it is. I'm still very much in love with DH, and having kids (so far) hasn't been detrimental to our relationship. But I guess we'll see when LO2 arrives this August .
GOLD / wonderful pomegranate / 28905 posts
@josina: @catlady: agree - marriage is hard work! With or with out kids, romance will change over time. It's something couples need and should work on constantly.
DH & I are in our 16th year - to think that romance doesn't change in that period time is naive. I'll be the first to admit it went stagnant for a while. But we realized it and have/are making changes to infuse romance back into our relationship. I am asking for flowers and romance more. He is realizing I need those things and delivering. His love language is acts of service and I am consciously and actively remembering that.
Pre-kids we thought the concept of "date night" was silly. We're going out to dinner - it's not date night. Post-kids? Heck yes to date night. BIL, can you please watch the kids so we can go on a DATE NIGHT. Just the act of calling it date night makes it more special.
cantaloupe / 6131 posts
"The course of true love runs downhill." Ugh. I hate that and totally disagree. I just had DS2 on Sunday, we had a high needs first child, we had two losses before that, and I spent a year recovering from a brain tumor, all in the 5 year span of our marriage. When we first got married we were also unemployed and flat broke. The course of our true love did not run downhill. We love each other more now than we did when we first got married because we didn't know yet the full depth of the other person that life would reveal to us. Parenthood is especially important in that regard - it peels back the layers of our onion and shows us real fast where our strengths and weaknesses are. And because there are little people who are getting influenced in the process, parenting should push us to work on improving ourselves and our relationships all the more. If revealing who your partner is under the duress of parenting leads to negative marital outcomes and decreased happiness, then I wonder if you really knew your partner and what love and marriage mean in the first place.
I get crabby at articles like this because they offer no solutions and just make people feel like having kids is this stupid endeavor women want for biological clock purposes and we are dragging men along who have to work harder to financially support the whole thing. It reinforces that BS about how childless people unfairly bear the brunt of supporting workers with kids, etc. etc. Having kids isn't some huge burden that ruins lives and annoys people at restaurants. We are becoming better adults and human beings by raising children, we are strengthening societal bonds and communities, and unless I have and raise responsible children, who is going to care for all you childless people in your old age? Your cat?
eggplant / 11716 posts
I don't think it's news to anyone that kids are hard on relationships. Literally just physiologically, pregnancy and childbirth and nursing have huge impacts on hormones for women, and obviously the physical side is just one tiny aspect of a relationship. I think a bigger piece is the overwhelming amount of your free time that is gone after having kids that you previously spent having fun with each other.
pomegranate / 3393 posts
@ElbieKay: I like how you put it!
That being said, I don't know how my relationship with DH would survive if we hadn't been together 10+ years before having a kid! You need the trust, experience, ups and downs, and chill that only time can bring.
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