pear / 1823 posts
I was a school librarian for premium to 8th grade. I also taught middle school electives. I'm taking a few years off to stay home with lo. I miss teaching though!
coconut / 8079 posts
@SugarplumsMom: I'm interested in what kind of distance learning you do at the elementary level! Is it online? Many of our high school students take online classes and I have a friend who is principal of an online high school. Curious to know what you do if you don't mind sharing!!
cantaloupe / 6791 posts
Is it sad that I'm considering leaving teaching because I can't justify working and not being with my LO everyday for such little pay? Public school teachers in my state make ridiculously low salaries and I make HALF of that (I'm basically paid like a childcare worker because even though my job is a state funded position, it's in a private center).
I love teaching, but if I have to be away from my LO (I'd love to be a SAHM but that's not happening because DH also teaches!), I'd rather be making semi-good money. Ugh
apricot / 390 posts
@lilteacherbee: I get it and I don't have a lo. I think most teachers do it, not for the money, but because they love what they do. If you love being with your LO more, than part of the justification is gone.
papaya / 10560 posts
It is my first year out of the classroom! I taught 8th grade social studies for 8 years. I'm a school administrator now.
apricot / 390 posts
@matador84: if you don't mind me asking, how long did you teach before you went back to school (I don't know where you are but I'm assuming that you needed at least some additional training?) I'm considering going back to get my admin credentials at some point in the future. This only my third full year, so I definitely feel like I need to put in more time. I think the program that I am interested in requires 5 years of experience, but I have no idea if I will feel confident enough or not at that point.
cantaloupe / 6791 posts
@owlteach: Yeah, it's tough. My parents begged my sister and I to do something different (she's a senior in college majoring in education too), but we both knew we wanted to teach. End of story. Now, I can kinda see where they are coming from. It wouldn't be so bad if DH had a higher paying job, but with both of us teaching, it's hard. He's going to become an administrator once he is able to (he has to teach 4 years before getting his master's in school admin and this is his second). I believe our state is ranked #49 for teacher pay. I loooove teaching but at the end of the day, I have to do what's best for my family and our future
clementine / 838 posts
What university eduction do you need to teach in the states.
?? I have always heard American teachers are not paid as much. If anyone is willing to share starting teachers salaries and what you can max out at I would be very interested!!
Where I work, I need a Bach of art or science and then a Bach or education. It takes 5 years. Starting salary when I started 8 years ago was $45000 Canadian. Now starting is about $ 48-49. Pew have a 10 year pay scale and if you get no more education you max out at 10 years around $85000. I have gone back to school so have moved up the pay scale. I max out at $93000 at 10 years now. Teachers in Canada get paid well, I will never complain about that!!
papaya / 10560 posts
@owlteach: i graduated college in 2005 and immediately started work on my masters degree and graduated in 2006. i didn't have a teaching certificate when i graduated college, so the masters work allowed me to get a m. ed and my teaching credentials, and then i student taught in the fall of 2005. i taught for 4 years before i started working on my post-graduate principal certification. most programs i know of in my state won't allow you to work on admin credentials until you've taught at least 3-5 years.
i am really glad i spent a lot of time in the classroom. i had my admin cert for 4 more years before i decided i was ready to leave and try something new. i loved teaching but wanted to expand my sphere of influence and get more into coaching teachers. i love my job!!
papaya / 10560 posts
@MrsScottish: teachers have to have a 4 year college degree and the majority of states require you to take a credentialing exam in your area of teaching.
in the state i am in, the majority of larger cities start a teacher with no experience at or around 40,000/year and upwards from there. the max out varies depending on years of experience. i know some teachers with 20-30 years of experience and they only get paid 60-70K/year.
cantaloupe / 6791 posts
@MrsScottish: My husband is on his second year teaching and his pay is $30,000. My state has frozen the pay scale, meaning that even though teachers get paid a bit more for each year of experience, they have been stuck at the same level for 7 years now. So, a teacher with 10 years of experience still has a 3rd year teacher's salary (around $32,000). It is absolutely ridiculous.
papaya / 10560 posts
@lilteacherbee: so sad...such a disgrace to the profession what some teachers get paid!
apricot / 390 posts
@MrsScottish: I got my BS in Ag Science, which took 4 years, and my MS in Ag Education. I am going into my third year in teaching. At my first job, I started about $40,000 for my base and when I took this job I dropped down to about $36,000. However I get a summer contract and an extra-duty stipend, so in both places it totaled about $50,000. I have about $50K in student loan debt, and that was with my undergrad tuition paid for and working up to 3 jobs while in undergrad all while in a public university.
My biggest complaint is the debt that is (nearly) required to get the degrees. On 50K we'd be relatively comfortable, but the SL payments are what hit us the hardest. My brother went back and got his masters and was able to teach for the university and my sil is doing the same for her PhD right now, and it pays for their tuition and gives them a living stipend. There were none of those programs for the teacher prep program I went through because student teaching was your unpaid job.
Also, in my current district, teachers haven't gotten a cost of living raise or a "step" on the pay scale in 6-7 years This is only my second year there and I'm really hoping that will be changing in the near future!
apricot / 390 posts
@matador84: thanks for the info I think with LO's in the plan I may start at the 5 or 6 year mark on my credentials, the program I am interested in takes 2 years. I really want to stay in my district, where we only have 3 elementary, 1 middle and 1 high school. We have 2 district level admin and only a principal in each school but the high school, so I may be waiting for a job to open up for awhile too.
However, if IF continues to be a struggle, I may need to be a bit more aggressive because neither my dh or I have any IF coverage through our insurance and the pay increase could really help cover that expense.
nectarine / 2028 posts
Fun! I teach 4th grade Language Arts, part time at a private school. I used to teach kindergarten full-day at a public school. I also have a tutoring business:-).
apricot / 390 posts
@lilteacherbee: That is exactly what some of the teacher's in our district are facing, teaching for 6-7 years at their first year salary! I think we may be losing some awesome teachers this year to another district this year because of it
persimmon / 1339 posts
@MrsScottish: Hey, not sure if you'll see this, but yes I am a Canadian living in Australia and teaching! I moved here 9 years ago, before I even thought about teaching as a career (I was just a backpacker). I fell in love with the country and with an Australian (typical story!!), so I decided to stay and get my teaching credentials here.
I do know some canadian teachers who have done the kind of exchange you're talking about, but usually either as single people before they get married, or as families with older kids. I can understand that doing it as a couple (esp if TTC!) could be difficult and inconvenient. Maybe in a few years?
eggplant / 11716 posts
@lilteacherbee: have you and your husband ever considered moving states? The cities in Texas have higher starting rates for teachers and the cost of living is still relatively low. I think my old school district in the suburbs of Dallas-- starting out for a teacher with no experience is $48000 or so now. More for a Master's or more experience of course.
Or could you teach older kids, like Kinder and work in a regular public school?
eggplant / 11716 posts
@MrsScottish: I have a cousin in law (if that's a thing?) who lives in Toronto that says he makes 6 figures as a school librarian and he doesn't even have a master's in library science (and in the library world, you don't call yourself a librarian without an MLS), which is super high compared to salaries in the US.
I mean, there are school librarians in my current city who make 100,000 a year but they have been teaching for 30-some years! People just starting out are making $50,000 or so.
nectarine / 2667 posts
@LovelyPlum: I have a good friend who was a TA for a while. Our stories about our students sounded quite similar!
@Boopers: oh my gosh, the drama!! My girls are all into Monster High right now, which I think fuels the fire. The other day one girl was saying something about another girls' shoes. I just can't even deal.
@MrsScottish: I've had the same experiences as others. I'm in my 7th year teaching and making just over $40,000. My district has committed to stop "freezing" the pay scale (they created some new system that I only halfway understand) and by moving over (I.e. Taking more education courses) a teacher could conceivably make it into the $60K range. I've only heard of admins making it to the $80-90K area. I have a 4-year bachelors of science in elementary ed & a 3-year masters of early childhood education degree.
I just had to share that I was grading papers tonight and a student was trying to come up with a more interesting word for "mouth". She settled on "eater hole"! I was cracking up!
cantaloupe / 6791 posts
@Anagram: unfortunately, our area is super competitive for teachers (we live near a university that is known for pumping out hundreds of teachers every semester). I've been out of college for almost 4 years and still haven't found a public school job. We have thought about moving, but it would have to be in the future because DH had a teacher scholarship that paid for half of his college tuition. Part of the scholarship agreement was that he would teach 4 years in our state after graduating (the scholarship started years ago when there was a huge need for teachers).
Luckily, we live near the border of SC and teachers there make considerably more, so that's an option later.
persimmon / 1328 posts
@LovelyPlum: I'm a TA too! I teach Anatomy and Physiology labs at a university.
clementine / 838 posts
@Anagram: interesting about your cousin in law! LIbrarians here have to take a 2 year course at the local collage. It teaches them the system for sorting the books.... dewi decimal I think.. I am sure you would know!! They dont make nearly as much as teachers, as they are not teachers here. When I went to school they were teachers that focused on the library, but they did away with that years ago to save money.
Thank you for your responses. We are currently under contract negotiations. There are 4 divisions (or districts) in my city, and 20some in the province. Each does their own contract between teachers and the division, so they are each a bit different, but money is basically the same. 3 years ago, when we got our last contract, it was a 1.5% raise every year for 3 years, which they did not like as it is not meet with the rising cost of living........ I am more concerned about other things in the contract, prep time, personal days, benefits, (mat leave!!?!?!?!) All but 1 division in the whole province has a contract expiring in June, so we are all heading to the table. Going to be interesting to see how it all shakes out. We went without a contract for over a year the last time..... (and we are unable to strike here in my province, it is an agreement between our union and the province so we get to sit back and ride the wave)
pear / 1718 posts
Popping in late to this thread! I am a teacher bee too. I teach Science to first, second, and third grades at an all-girls independent school. It's exhausting and messy and loud but I absolutely love my job.
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