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@GreenThumb: Good luck today!
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Hi ladies, I'm a regular poster on WB, but I thought I'd pop in and say hi here too! We're on Month 17/Cycle 18 of TTC#1 with no diagnosis so far. I regularly O CD15-18, have a 13 day LP, and have had good timing on all of our cycles. We're both fairly young (me-26; DH-30) and at healthy weights.
I'm currently trying to pretend I'm not TTC until the New Year, when we will start further doctoring/testing. Reverse psychology
I just ordered $250ish worth of supplements so DH and I will be going hardcore on the supplements for the next three months to see if that makes a difference. He's currently taking a gummy multivitamin and a vitamin C so we'll be adding in the FertilAid for Men. I'm on a prenatal, calcium (since osteoparosis runs in both sides of my family), and B6. I'll be adding in the FertilAid for Women and FertileCM, along with FertiliTea. Oh and I also drink green tea CD1-O.
I'm looking forward to getting to know you more! (although the circumstances suck, eh?)
***Babydust***
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Back from the consult...we hadn't even walked out the door yet when I told DH I didn't like the practice. Something about it really rubbed me the wrong way. The doctor admitted that there isn't nearly enough motile sperm for IUI, yet he kept talking about IUI and how they'd try it 3 times if we did it. He just refused to be clear about what was going on, and insisted on a 3rd SA. It took me a long time to figure out that he meant he wanted to use his lab to make sure IVF was the only option. And he said they'd only transfer 1 embryo because I was young. Not that I want multiples, but only 1?!
I tried to be a trooper when as soon as he realized I was on CD7 he was all "let's do an ultrasound!" Oh well, at least he decided I can skip the tests to see if I'm ovulating because I definitely am. I just don't know if I want to contact the other clinic because they strike me as less organized, and I don't want to waste more time if they won't be a huge improvement. As you can see, I have mixed feelings about the whole thing.
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@spaniellove: Well, I'm happy/sad for you. Happy that you at least met with someone and have established, but sad that you didn't seem to get the answers you were looking for... If you insurance covered the visit, maybe you should just meet with a few different clinics and see what feeling you have?
@MrsFarmer: I'm so glad to see you on HB!!! Yay for supplements - I'm very pro supplements =)
@greenthumb: I'm thinking about you today!!!!! GOOD LUCK!!!!!!! YAYYYYY!!!!!!!!!! Baby dust and happy vibes =) Have fun with all the acupuncture!! -
@GreenThumb: Oh and yay for DH cooking tonight!!! =)
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Okay, I've calmed down now. Part of the problem was the doctor's rapid fire style of talking - I have auditory processing issues as part of my Aspergers and couldn't possibly digest everything he was saying on the spot.
After going back over everything with DH, I think the doctor wants to make absolutely sure IUI is not an option since it's covered by insurance but IVF is not. I noticed he sent us home with a ton of literature about IVF but nothing about IUI.
So I'll do my B/W and HSG at the end of the month and meet with him again. And in the meantime I'll have to think about how much of an impact it would have to transfer one instead of two.
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Hi ladies. I'm mostly a lurker, but I was wondering if I could join you lovely ladies. DH and I have been TTC since May, been off the pill since January, and I've only O'd on my own once! And that was on CD43! I'm currently on CD 60 with no O. I had a 3 month cycle that ended with provera and my labs at that point were fine. But my doctor wants to put me on provera again and then do more extensive CD specific labs and possibly an HSG. I'll find out more tomorrow. I'm an average weight and periods used to be regular before going on the pill. I'm frustrated and scared. Thanks for letting me share my story.
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@Spaniellove I'm sorry the visit didn't go as well as you'd hoped but glad you've taken some time to re-think it all...As for transferring one embryo,I think that's pretty standard for the first round of IVF...if you have to go to round 2 or 3, then they might transfer two but since carrying twins is high-risk, I think they try to avoid it
I totally understand your frustration though, just wanted to let you know I don't think it's unusual...@Mrsfarmer Welcome! Sorry you're with us but always glad to have more people around!
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@MrsFarmer: welcome to the group. We have the number of cycles TTC and cycle length in common.
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@Trailmix: Really? I didn't know it was considered standard; that helps a lot to know. I've always heard about transferring two or three so one made me worry.
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@spaniellove: I'm so happy that you're feeling better. That makes sense! I didn't know you had Asperger's, that's crazy! So you think you're going to go through with IUI then?
@skipper2010: hey there! Welcome over here. I'm so sad that you have to join. I'm new on this thread, but everyone has been really wonderful. The ladies on the Charter's thread here are awesome too. That's so crazy that your cycle won't regulate! It reminds me of a blog I read recently, I will see if I can find it. She ends up getting pregnant naturally!!! Which is always a happy story right?? :)))
I just left my appointment. Good and bad news... He said that I don't have a semen allergy!!! YAY! But.... DH's borderline morphology was a concern to him. When he did the swab, he said there should be 10+ sperm per field. he was averaging 2 per field (on a microscope). His other worry was that his PH was high... He thinks that the sperm are moving, but they aren't moving well and are dying quickly. He then discussed IUI with me, and gave the "I just want to give you the most realistic expectations" talk, and hugged me. He said he wants me to start researching fertility clinics in Reno and Sac and he will ask his old partner who he recommends since he's been outta the business for a while now. We still plan to do Clomid+HCG+Prometrium, but he doesn't want to do more than three cycles before he transfers me to a "real" fertility clinic.... So, DH is going to start taking Cranberry juice twice daily as recommended by our RE, and I told him I want him to start taking a sperm supplement like fertilaid for men... If we are gonna need to do IUI, I want his sperm in tip top shape! I'm feeling REALLY overwhelmed. I dunno, the tone before was "We are gonna get you pregnant," and very optimistic. The tone changed a LOT today, more like "Keep all your options open, we'll try everything, but I'm not as sure.." Sigh.
DH and I are SO going on vacation weekend after next, I've decided. Lol.
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@Spaniellove I mean, I only know a few women who have done IVF but they all had single transfers the first round...And that might even be better bc it will leave you with one more to freeze in case you need it!
@Chucknorrisftw I'm sorry you're feeling discouraged after the Dr's visit but I've always heard that the REALLY important thing for sperm was the count, so hopefully questionable morphology really isn't that big of a hindrance...And def take that vacation, you guys deserve it!! Plus, you never know what will happen when you're nice and relaxed, spending QT with your hubby!
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@ChuckNorris: my husband's doctor told us that morphology is no where near as important as motility and forward progression. My hubby has been taking a fertility vitamin and I think really helped him.
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@ChuckNorris: It sounds like IUI isn't an option - he explained that there was only 3.8 million motile sperm in the last SA and they want at least 5-10 million. The RE today mentioned that they don't consider morphology all that important, so try not to worry too much! Taking a vacation sounds like a great idea. This is a tough process to go through and keeping your relationship strong is so important!
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@Leialou: well that's good to here, because his motility was rated well.. Maybe he didn't see good forward progression on the microscope, which is why things changed.. Ill have to ask him. Can i ask, Is your husbands doc a urologist or an RE? What fertility supplement is he on?
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@ChuckNorris: he's an urologist. He's taking Coast Reproductive male fertility supplement.
@spaniellove: we were told 3 mil is needed for an IUI. I hope we had enough!
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@spaniellove: youre right, I'm trying, I'm probably way over reading into this... I will have to ask him about the morphology more next time. For you, So, it sounds like he wants to make absolutely certain that the count isn't high enough for IUI by repeating the SA a third time then?? Sorry, I'm being not smart right now cuz I'm on information overload. Lol.
He sounded like his biggest concern was in the pH, because that's the only thing he is really treating, with the cranberry juice. Has anyone has a problem with pH of sperm?
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@Leialou: ah I see. Okay, cool. Maybe my RE doesn't have the most up to date info on male factor? He's been out of the IVF/IUI world now for years, I dunno how long...
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@ChuckNorris: I think that's what's going on. IUI is covered by insurance while IVF is not so there's a huge difference between free and IVF! The third time will be in their own lab so he said there are other things they want to look for. Oh, and the pH - actually on DH's 2nd SA his pH was 9! We had some jokes about that one but neither the urologist nor the RE was concerned. He was sick at the time so that might have been it.
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@spaniellove: for sure! That is a super huge difference. When is his third SA going to be then?? Oh my gosh, a pH of 9??? Lol. DH's was 8, but he wasn't sick. I wonder if he thinks my lady parts are acidic or something, which is why it matters? I will have to ask him next time I see him. It will be like 2 weeks or so from now
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@ChuckNorris: I don't know if they even cared - they didn't even ask about it, and 8 is still in the normal range!
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@spaniellove: well hm, I'm thoroughly confused now as to why he was concerned about those numbers. I have to be missing something!
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@MrsFarmer: @skipper2010: Welcome Ladies!
@spaniellove: So, it sounds that you are feeling more positive? I think your take on trying the cheaper methods first makes sense. And for what it's worth, I could have sworn that the trend right now was to transfer only one embryo too. I can understand why you'd want to transfer more though. I hope that for your next appointment, you'll be able to ask more questions and feel more comfortable!
@ChuckNorris: Jeeps, I'm getting info overload just reading all of the stuff your RE is telling you! Talk about a roller coaster. But you know what I was just thinking? I work in a lab and 9 times out of 10, when some experiment isn't working, it's because of a whole bunch of little things. There's no silver bullet and no "ah ha" moment. What if your RE is going by the same assumption? What if he's looking for all the little things that might be going wrong? Maybe each on their own isn't a big deal ( like a semen pH of 8), but cummulatively, they all work together to cause grief?
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@Grace: that's a really good point. In fact, it makes a lot of sense. He's putting all the little pieces together trying to address all possible factors that could be preventing a pregnancy. Its like that when diagnosing patients for other stuff, sometimes they dont have a blatant "I CLEARLY have asthma" sign but their doctors put seemingly little symptoms/tests/studies together to come to a diagnosis. Good call!! My husband didn't end up going. I had school that I had to go to RIGHT after the appt, and I didn't wanna worry about having time to drop him off. I really wish he was there... It wasn't fun telling him all the stuff that happened after the fact!!
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@ChuckNorris: I know right! Stupid cycles get your sh*t together! If you could find that blog post that would be awesome. I could use a little hope right about now. Sounds like you're going through a lot yourself! You are such a strong person and will be the BEST mom! I can't wait for the day you get your BFP!
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Just a quick update on my FET yesterday. Everything went really well. They only had to thaw two of our embryos (it was a fear of mine that we would have issues with the thaw) and they both looked really good. No problems with the transfer. Normally they have you take Valium to relax you and your uterus, but I had a bad reaction last time, so no Valium for me. So this transfer I'll actually remember! I'm relaxing until Monday. Not really bed rest but just light activity. We'll have our blood test next Saturday! Hoping the embies are all snuggled in by then.
@MrsFarmer: @skipper2010: Welcome! Sorry you have to join us, but there is a lot of great support here!
@spaniellove: I know how difficult that first appointment can be. Information overload - to say the least! It is definitely the trend to do 1 embryo especially if you are young because the technology has improved so much and multiples aren't generally the desired outcome. We did 2 this time because I'm around the corner from 35 and we had the first failure with only 1 transferred. If I was younger, I would only have done 1. I don't think they even consider 3 at my clinic unless you have had multiple failures and are nearing 40. But, if you are able to do IUI, that is great! So much less invasive and so many people have a great result! I think it is good that they do another SA since they are the ones that will ultimately need to give you the best course of action. Seems like each lab grades things a little differently. Hope you are feeling better about everything today.
@ChuckNorris: Sounds like you did get a ton of information! That is a lot to digest, but sometimes there are a lot more questions before there are answers. I think it is great to try the Clomid route first since it doesn't sound like there is one specific issue yet and that is really helpful for a lot of people. It would be so wonderful if that does the trick! I'm hopeful for you! Also, if there are sperm issues that your doc is not as familiar with, it might not hurt to have your DH see a urologist just to check things out. Male factor infertility is found in something like 30% of cases of infertility and another 30% is due to both male and female issues, so it is pretty darn common.
@LeiaLou: @Trailmix: How are you ladies doing? Hope everything is going well and you are feeling great!
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@GreenThumb: I'm glad things went well yesterday. I feel so hopeful for you!!
@ChuckNorris: I'm sorry that you're feeling overwhelmed after your appointment! Sometimes I feel like I get a little bit of info from my doctor's office, then go home and google the numbers and get so turned around and confused and stressed out. I hope you can manage a happy/stress-free Friday!
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@GreenThumb: I'm glad it all went well! I like the term snuggling in.
I hope they do too. I'm doing good. I'm trying not to think every difference in my body is a symptom. It's only been 5 days since the IUI! That's too early for symptoms. I keep telling myself I am pregnant too, because I don't want to think negative thoughts.
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@GreenThumb: Glad all went well with your FET/Catalano! Will be thinking of you and sending happy thoughts that those little embryos settle in and do exactly what they're supposed to do
@skipper2010: @MrsFarmer: Welcome!
I had my cd 21 b/w this morning (4 vials - ick). Other than an annoying mix-up with my doctor's office, it went quickly/smoothly and the lab tech was so sweet and kind. She said it should take about 3 days for the results to come back. I really don't think I've ovulated yet this cycle so I'm not expecting any good news!
Still haven't figured out when to schedule my husband's SA...
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Hi Ladies. I am behind on the posts and at work but just a quick not so great update. Basically, one of my follicles became dominant and caused the others to shrink. It is about 19 mm so they went ahead and did the trigger but the doctor was disappointed with my response. Typically, they want Clomid to override the natural competitive process and produce multiple follicles. I am sad and also frustrated. I wonder if I went in for an ultrasound yesterday if we could have triggered and had more follicles. A little teary at work, but the doctor said he did think it was worth it to go ahead with the IUI since DH has borderline morph.
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@Greenthumb. So glad things went well for you!
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@raintreebee: I'm sorry
One is better than none though, right? When will you have your IUI?
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@Alie. Thank you. IUI is tomorrow morning. Yes, one is much better than one. I hope that your CD 21 bloodwork comes back positive!
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@raintreebee: That's exciting! I'm sure it's hard to get too excited when you're still bummed from your other news, but I doubt your doctor would move forward with the IUI if you didn't still have a really good chance! Good luck tomorrow morning
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@raintreebee: I'm so sorry that you didn't get the response you wanted with the Clomid. Hopefully that one dominant follicle is enough! Good luck tomorrow!
@alie: I hope you get some good results from your CD 21 blood work! 3 days seems fast too! I usually have to wait a week to hear back.
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@GreenThumb: That's such a relief to hear that the FET went smoothly! I'm really hopeful that things will turn out great for you this time! The idea of Valium relaxing your uterus cracks me up a little bit. Take it easy and definitely have your DH pamper you!
@Leialou: It is so hard to not read into everything, but you don't have much longer to wait!
@raintreebee: Hopefully the IUI process adds just enough extra to the one follicle to give it what it needs!
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@skipper2010: You are seriously one of the sweetest people evaaaah! I heart you. Lol. You are going to be a great momma as well!!! =) Okay, after like four hours of searching (lol) I finally found it. I just heard of this blog like five days ago and I couldn't remember what month it was, but I thought this was really hopeful. Maybe a miracle will happen to both of us, like it happened to her! http://www.dailygarnish.com/2011/03/the-road-to-baby-making.html
@GreenThumb: I am so glad to hear everything went really well! I dunno lady, I just have this feeling...this is going to be a good month! After your blood draw, how many days until the results? Or do they have a lab right there? I'm sending you many positive vibes right now!!! Yay for light activity =) Speaking of bad reactions to medications (I don't take very many of these lol), when I was 17, I was suuuper stressed out. My mom and I went to dinner, and she could tell I was on the verge of full blown anxiety attack (not common for me). She gave me an Ativan, which I had no idea what it was or if it was bad or anything, and I had the WORST reaction! Within a few minutes, it was like, the walls around the restaurant fell down. Everything was twisting and turning and I felt like I was on acid, I had to lay down in the booth and was crying saying, "I don't like this the room is falling!!" I had to leave my car there and my mom drove me home, we almost went to the ER! When I got home, I guess I was tossing and turning and just holding my heart saying, "I'm dying!! I'm dying!!!!" until I finally fell asleep. Hahahahahahahaha.
...needless to say, I can understand your hesitation to Valium. Hahaha.
My husband has a PPO, so I wonder if it could be covered to see a urologist just for the symptoms, not necessarily for IF?? If they could code it that way? I will have to look into that. Thanks for the idea! I love the bee. You guys help me sort my thoughts and create a good plan!@twodoghouse: Ah yes, it has been a very good Friday! Everything gets better after a night of sleep, huh!!! =) Hope your Friday is going amazing!!!!!
@raintreebee: I am so sorry to hear the news =( I am still very hopeful for you! It only takes one good follie!!! I hope you were able to make it through your day at work!!!
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@ChuckNorris: Are there symptoms your DH can justify going to the urologist for other than general infertility? For example, mine went for a varicocele and our HMO covers labwork. Doesn't matter that our labwork is technically for infertility, they just cover 100% of labwork.
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@spaniellove: Umm... No, not really... He has a problem with delayed ejaculation sometimes, and some mild ED sometimes, but we think that is because he is on Lexapro.
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@GreenThumb: I am secretly stalking you and I hope so much that you get a positive beta next Saturday!!! Fingers crossed for you:)
I totally understand your frustration though, just wanted to let you know I don't think it's unusual...
I hope they do too. I'm doing good. I'm trying not to think every difference in my body is a symptom. It's only been 5 days since the IUI! That's too early for symptoms. I keep telling myself I am pregnant too, because I don't want to think negative thoughts.
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