I thought this was a lovely article about interpreting the risks of doing certain things during pregnancy.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323514404578652091268307904.html?mod=e2tw
I thought this was a lovely article about interpreting the risks of doing certain things during pregnancy.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323514404578652091268307904.html?mod=e2tw
coconut / 8472 posts
Great article. I feel like so much of pregnancy and even infant advice is "if it has a .001% of possibly being harmful, avoid it" without having a whole lot of backing.
I kinda wish she'd done some research on the sushi issue so I could show DH....
GOLD / papaya / 10206 posts
Love this article, and now I will take my pregnant self and eat some delicious cheese!!! lol!!
@MrsCB: woman all over japan eat sushi all the time, pregnant or not.... would DH accept that?
GOLD / wonderful pomegranate / 28905 posts
Meh. I didn't do a lot because *I* personally was not comfortable with it. If there was a .001% chance it was just not worth it to me.
@prettylizy: you really can't compare the sushi in Japan to that which most people eat here!
grapefruit / 4800 posts
Maybe I'll print this out and carry it around with me for the few people who decide to comment on food choices.
hostess / wonderful persimmon / 25556 posts
@locavore_mama: ditto! I stayed away from caffeine, wine and anything raw because it made ME feel better. I preferred to stay as cautious as possible while pregnant because you never know.
coconut / 8472 posts
@prettylizy: I've mentioned that but he's still not a fan. I know they also flash freeze the sushi when it gets transported, so that kills the majority of bacteria that might be an issue. I'm sure the places I go to would be fine, but out of deference to his opinions (since it's his baby too!) I don't eat sushi or drink any alcohol. Both of which I don't think would be fine in moderation. Luckily he doesn't give me a problem over the every day eating of deli meat and my unbreakable diet coke habit.
GOLD / wonderful pomegranate / 28905 posts
@MrsCB: Thank you for saying that ! I see so many people say it's MY body I will do what *I* want. Um. Yeah it might be YOUR body but it is also HIS baby.
GOLD / papaya / 10206 posts
@locavore_mama: fair point! lol! I've neither been to Japan nor like sushi so I have no grounds for judgement! lol!
@MrsCB: Good for you for keeping him involved. I know a lot of people pull the "My body my choice" when it comes to things like that, but I agree with you, it's his baby too. While I would be comfortable with a few sips of wine here and there, DH is not so I abstain for him.
GOLD / wonderful pomegranate / 28905 posts
@prettylizy: haha I've never been to Japan either but I'm a bit of sushi snob. I refuse to eat grocery store sushi! And I've had GREAT stuff from chefs trained in Japan. Yum.
wonderful grape / 20453 posts
Great article! I never let miniscule percentages dissuade me from things.
i think some of the sushi thing has to do with women's bodies in japan being colonized with bacteria in the fish...they eat it all the time, they know the source, it's VERY fresh, etc...versus sushi here that is less than fresh. I always said I'd eat fresh sushi, but since i live in the midwest, i took sushi off the pregnancy plate
GOLD / pomelo / 5737 posts
@MrsCB: I agree!!
In pregnancy I just followed the long list because it wasn't difficult. Except I had froyo 1x.
eggplant / 11824 posts
Great article, thanks for sharing. At the end of the day, we should (obviously) only do what we're comfortable with, so if that means abstaining completely from caffeine or alcohol, that's cool. I do think it's good whatever your choice is to take a sort of global look with your choices and life in general.
Is it worth stressing out that much over a glass of pepsi or coffee when you inhale exhaust fumes, second hand smoke, etc. that all contain known cancer causing agents every day while walking/driving/living? Risks are all relative, there are plenty of things with risks that are not mentioned by doctors because avoiding them is basically impossible. That's the only sort of eye-roll I do with "The risks are not worth it to me" people who are really pushy about pregnancy behaviors - you are taking plenty of real risks, everyday - and many of the things being avoided are not even clear "risks" to begin with.
apricot / 469 posts
Great article! I definitely had the listeria fear when I was pregnant but apart from that I didn't worry too much. Like the author, I have found the differences in the approach to pregnancy and pregnant women in the US pretty different to elsewhere - there is lots of hand wringing from the public at large about every move you make so I think a lot of women are trained to feel uncomfortable about every little thing in pregnancy and beyond.
grapefruit / 4923 posts
that was really interesting, thanks for sharing.
that hidden cocaine variable in the alcohol study was pretty crazy.
coconut / 8472 posts
@locavore_mama: @prettylizy: Thanks :). That's the way we roll as a couple, but everyone's different :).
Oh, and most stuff that has a .001% chance of harming the baby I'm not comfortable with either, mostly because if anything happened I couldn't live with myself. But I feel like a lot of stuff out there doesn't give a lot of info on *how* dangerous it is. Like in the article how she calculated the miniscule difference in odds if she did or did not eat ham. We're just told it's bad, end of story. I'd like to be able to make more informed decisions, like she was able to. But even though I have some experience with statistical studies, I'm not that good!
GOLD / wonderful pomegranate / 28905 posts
@yoursilverlining: I NEVER force anyone I know IRL to follow my philosophy. I never made them feel guilty. My SIL was the exact opposite of me and we were pregnant at the same time. If I made any other preggo ladies feel bad for their choices, I sincerely apologize because I would never intentionally do that.
All those things you listed are things that *I* cannot control. So much about the health of my baby I cannot control. I will and did do everything in MY power to control what I can to ensure she came out a healthy baby. IF anything were EVER to happen to her I would second guess every risk I took. And I would never ever forgive myself.
So, no. The .001% chance risk is not worth it to me. I abstained from soft serve, caffeine (had 1 can of coke and felt absolutely guilty for it), lunch meat, etc etc.
I know many others think I'm crazy and neurotic for it. Whatever, I'm comfortable with my choices and so is my baby's daddy.
eggplant / 11824 posts
@locavore_mama: no, no you've never been pushy about stuff on here. There are people who are obnoxious about other people's choices, unfortunately. I received several FB inbox messages from a couple of my husband's friend's wives (who I had never met) about my/our choices to have sushi while pregnant and about having a c-section! People be crazy!!
GOLD / wonderful pomegranate / 28905 posts
@yoursilverlining: I am sorry your friend is like that! People should keep their opinions to themselves!
pomegranate / 3331 posts
@locavore_mama: I totally agree on the sushi issue! I am fortunate that NYC has some high quality sushi places, so i am personally comfortable having an occasional raw sushi roll during my pregnancy (and my doctor and DH are both comfortable as well ) but i do realize that my risk is still higher than if i lived in Japan. but i would never touch grocery store sushi or even a lot of the run of the mill places in NYC while pregnant...there are only 2 places i will eat raw fish from while pregnant
it's a personal decision that every couple needs to make together.
also, great article!
grapefruit / 4187 posts
I'm really glad she wrote this article. There are so many silly rules for pregnant women, I totally agree with her that everyone needs to consider them and make decisions for themselves. Personally, I waited until 1/2way through my pregnancy to start drinking caffeine again since I figured it was probably more dangerous in early pregnancy - and I only have about a cup of coffee a day. I also waited until several weeks into my 3rd trimester to start drinking wine, and I only have about 1/2 glass a couple times a week. I am much more comfortable 'breaking' these rules than the sushi and deli meat rules since I think the idea of bacteria is a lot more scary - and IMO there's no such thing as 'moderation' when it comes to minimizing this risk. You're either exposed to it or you're not. At least with caffeine and alcohol you can only have a little and do it on a full stomach to minimize the amount your baby receives.
Of course, I'm no Dr. and definitley not an expert, these are just my 'gut' feelings! I can't wait to finally be able to eat sushi again, but it was just not a risk I am comfortable taking while pregnant.
grapefruit / 4671 posts
What an interesting article. Honestly, I am originally from the UK so being preg in the US was a weird experience for me because I had never heard of so many of the recommendations before. I took most of them with a pinch of salt and did what I felt was right. I just feel like when one looks at the infant mortality rates etc in both countries there is nothing to suggest that me following an uber restrictive diet was going to help. If anything, I didn't need that stress in my life.
I don't eat soft serve, grocery store sushi or for the most part deli meat in real life so it was pretty easy to do.
eggplant / 11408 posts
I really like this article!
I am more of a moderate when it comes to avoiding food/alcohol. I think me being super picky about it would make DH crazy because he knows that it would make *me* crazy unnecessarily. I plan to avoid alcohol during the first tri because of how fragile things have been, but that didn't prevent me from having a sip of champagne at my sister's wedding during my toast. I also have been so grateful.for Coke-it has been a huge ally in my battle against morning sickness.
But I agree, everyone has to do what they feel comfortable with. I really appreciate that the author put some of this data out there so each person can make an informed decision based on facts, not fear.
blogger / pineapple / 12381 posts
I think a lot of times the expectant counseling gets oversimplified because 1) OBs and their staff don't have a lot of time 2) they have an idea that women won't be able to understand the complexities of what the data really says.
Just some guesses.
grapefruit / 4671 posts
@Mrs. Jacks: My OB was awesome about this. She was pregnant at the same time as I was and was about a month ahead. She talked me through some of the recommendations, told ,e what she herself was doing personally and told me that I had to decide for myself what I was comfortable with but whatever I did, be sure to relax a bunch.
grapefruit / 4819 posts
Ah, a woman after my heart! I am a number cruncher as well and agree with every point made in the article! I do just want to point out though that unfortunately, Australia as a whole is not more lax than the US. Our pregnancy rules are just as crazy....and just like the author, I have made my own informed decisions, based on extensive research, and am comfortable with the decisions I make during pregnancy.
I will say though, I don't like lying or feeling shamed for my choices, but unfortunately, it is what I do here. My GP knows I have the occasional small glass of wine (maybe twice per month) and is fine with it, but for my antenatal clinic, I have declared myself to be an abstainer. Why? Because if I admit to having less than a glass per week, I get thrown into a high risk category and have to jump through a million extra hoops when frankly, I am a highly educated, well read woman who is completely confident my occasional sip of wine is not going to harm my baby. I don't like being untruthful and it makes me sad that I can't be trusted to make an educated decision (especially when there is no compelling argument proving what I'm doing is harmful) but it is what it is I guess.
pear / 1614 posts
THANK YOU for posting this. I spent a lot of time reading through lots of scientific articles during my first pregnancy, and following that research, I happily enjoyed coffee, wine/beer, and sushi when the situation presented itself.
apricot / 495 posts
I really haven't followed any of the pregnancy rules because I really do think they are stupid. You are so much more likely to get sick from produce than you are from lunch meat. My doctor only had a few rules. He told me no rare meat, no raw fish, and I needed to limit large, warm water fish to once a month,, and no cheese from Mexico. Now, I like my meat medium rare to medium and since I live in the midwest I don't eat a ton of sushi or large, warm water fish (I'm a stickler for freshness). I also don't smoke or use drugs but I didn't do that before getting pregnant so I don't know why that would change. I have continued to drink pop and tea, I have had the occasional sip of hard liquor, and I eat lunch meat daily. I firmly believe that all of the pregnancy food restrictions and rules out there now are completely ridiculous and blown way out of proportion.
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