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Opportunity Costs for SAH

  1. StrawberryBee

    nectarine / 2530 posts

    I definitely think these are things to take into account. For a lot of (but not all) professions, it's difficult to get back in once you've been gone -- I think the gap in your resume doesn't look all that great to employers.

    DH is a SAHD. He's self employed (or was....long story), so had no benefits, no 401k, no expected promotions. It was an easy decision for us to make to have him stay home while I stayed at work (and honestly, he's welcome to it! I love my daughter but I need the interaction of the office to keep me sane).

    We also enrolled our daughter into part time daycare two days a week after she turned one. I feel like the social interaction, getting her exposed to germs (sorry for your third cold in a row, kiddo!), the experience, are all things that expand her in ways we could never accomplish. I hope that she has a good balance.

  2. StbHisMrs

    pomegranate / 3329 posts

    I'm being faced with this decision involuntarily, my boss is retiring and it's being taken over by someone new. So as of January 1, I'm going to be a SAHM. Luckily my income can be made up by doing a few things from home though. Also working out in my favor, my current job never offered any benefits (except that I was able to bring my kids with me) no 401k, no health, nothing. My income covers our babysitter, the gas to and from with just a little left over. So staying home will make sense for us, my Husband makes more than enough to cover our expenses.

    It doesn't cost us any extra for me to be added to his health, he makes all his contributions to his 401k. For now it makes sense for us. I will probably go stir crazy though.

  3. jedeve

    pomegranate / 3643 posts

    I think this assumes a certain type of job though. My job did not provide health care or a pension or a 401k, although it did contribute a small amount to an IRA.

    I am missing out on some opportunity cost because I will be out of the workforce for a bit. But there is also an "emotional cost" that I would miss out on by being with my kids if I was working. If I earned more, I probably would be fine eating that cost. But right now, the small contribution to my IRA isn't worth it.

    Here is an interesting article on the cost of child care: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/04/08/rising-cost-of-child-care-may-help-explain-increase-in-stay-at-home-moms/

  4. yellowbird

    honeydew / 7303 posts

    @Espion: it is a pretty sweet deal!

  5. looch

    wonderful pear / 26210 posts

    @jedeve: not only a certain type of job, but a certain level of experience as well. Having 2 years of
    experience is different than 10 years is different than 20.

  6. blackbird

    wonderful grape / 20453 posts

    @jedeve: I always find data like this surprising because more and more research shows that women are 1) more educated and 2) making more money than their husbands....yet more women are staying home b/c they don't make enough?

    i feel like there's something that isn't being addressed sometimes, but I can't put my finger on it.

    @looch: Shoot, even the difference between 2 and 7 years has been staggering for me in terms of salary and experience (field-dependent, of course)

  7. sarac

    pomelo / 5093 posts

    I mean, I know that by spending years out of the workforce, I'm certainly impacting my future earning potential. I didn't leave a career to be a mother, but I would have started one by now had I not had my daughter. For me, it's worth it. I think more of the opportunity cost involved in working through my daughter's first few years - to me (me!), that would have been a huge opportunity lost.

    I'm lucky in that my husband is able to support our family, and that I have this choice. With that in mind, the choice to opt out of a career at this point in my life was easy.

  8. jedeve

    pomegranate / 3643 posts

    @looch: true. I'm in the non-profit world, and the difference between starting level and being an ED isn't huge relative to other industries. So even if I max out on my earning potential later than I would have, I'll max out fairly early. (or at least reach a point where pay jumps aren't as huge).

    Some other interesting facts about what I was saying:

    Over 1.2 million mothers with very young
    children work in low-wage jobs.
    • Nearly one in five working mothers with very
    young children work in low-wage jobs.
    • Over one-third of mothers who have very
    young children and work in low-wage jobs are
    poor.
    • About half of mothers who have very young
    children and work in low-wage jobs are
    employed full time.

    http://www.nwlc.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/mothers_of_young_children_in_low_wage_jobs.pdf

  9. anandam

    kiwi / 687 posts

    Not sure if this holds true for others, but all the daycare cost etc arguments are things I just say to try and justify quitting my job to all the women who went back at 6-12 weeks, mostly so they don't feel bad or judged...and so I don't really have to get into the discussion of how our values differ, because it's a really sensitive topic. I say those things to avoid mommy wars.

    The real reason I'm still home and probably won't go back to full time work until we're done having kids is totally unrelated to our finances. Obviously we'd have more money if I kept my job, both in the short and long term. I made more reliable and usually higher income than DH, and my job was the only one that gave us benefits, from insurance to retirement to paid vacation, since he's self employed. To us the benefit of having me full time with our son in the early years, breastfeeding on demand, nurturing him in the way no paid caregiver could, outweighs all that. And if it were all about maximizing profits we wouldn't have kids in the first place!

    So yeah, maybe that's a controversial thing to say and I don't say it to offend anyone. That's why I usually make up some story about daycare costs and whatnot when it comes up in real life. I suspect others do the same.

  10. Cherrybee

    papaya / 10570 posts

    The whole "I can't afford to stay home" argument is blurred even further here in the UK because if you do have a genuinely low household income the government tops it up for you with "tax credits" and "welfare benefits". You don't have to work for x amount of time to earn it, it's completely means tested - if you need it, you get it. We could, technically, have managed the basics (with a number of sacrifices) on DH's income and the £96.01 per week we would receive in benefits (I just calculated it)......... but it's all the other stuff. Pension contributions, saving for E to go to University, paying for family holidays, keeping our home in a state of good repair so it doesn't lose too much value..... not to mention the long term effect on my career (and thus pay) that having a significant break out of the workforce might have.

    I know what it's like having to support a parent who hasn't adequately prepared for retirement. It's tough. I know what it's like to have to work so many hours to pay yourself through University you barely have time to study. I don't want that for E.

    Every family is different, with different financial situations. Some people can afford to stay home AND make adequate provisions. And on top of that, I guess, it all depends on what is important to you personally. Those early years ARE precious and you will never get them back. But for us the long term cost of me leaving work would have been too huge. Oh, and I quite like working, too - hahaha!

  11. Orchid

    clementine / 927 posts

    @anandam: that's brave of you to say! In many ways I understand and agree. I can't use the "child care is no expensive" excuse because We can certainly afford it. I have to create other excuses for staying home. After studying for so long (thankfully assistantships and scholarships mean no debt) I feel immense pressure to focus on my career, particularly from my dad and a few friends. I find it awkward to say, "I want to be at home with LO because of X, Y, Z" so I say, "We're here because of DH career and there are no job openings for me here, but I'm definitely on the lookout." And then I get that icky feeling from being dishonest.

  12. Madison43

    persimmon / 1483 posts

    @anandam: I WOH and don't think that's a controversial or insensitive thing to say so long as we're comparing apples to apples (i.e. parents that don't need both incomes to survive). I choose to WOH but we could live on one income and have one parent stay home full time. So yeah, I would agree our values differ - doesn't make one of us right and the other wrong, just different and that's ok! That said, you can't know everyone's financial situation, so I agree it's better to just be vague for the most part, even if it's not entirely honest.

  13. looch

    wonderful pear / 26210 posts

    @jedeve: I do think the article makes a good point, and this is why I strongly support subsizided child care over an extended maternity leave, if I had to choose one or the other. In an ideal situation, we'd have both, but I don't think that's going to happen in my lifetime.

    The professional women are the ones with choices, the ones that work the jobs waitressing, in factories, etc are the ones that have a very rough road.

  14. Cherrybee

    papaya / 10570 posts

    @looch: Really, would you? I would choose extended maternity over subsidised childcare. Over here you can take up to a year off for each baby and it's just accepted that women will. I took 7 months off (all paid to some degree and my employer continued to make my pension contributions) and, honestly, it was like a blink of an eye in the workplace (people were shocked to see me back and couldn't believe 7 months had gone by). A year long maternity leave allows women to breastfeed and be there during those first few months without making the "SAH or WOH" decision at all. Extended maternity leave means you can have it all!

  15. looch

    wonderful pear / 26210 posts

    @Cherrybee: Not in the US, unfortunately, the mentality is that if you're out of the workforce for any extended period of time, you are out of sight, out of mind. No employer is going to keep your position waiting for you for a year, while also having to pay a temp to do the job. 6 months, more likely, but one year? Not happening, unless the government mandates it and pays for it.

  16. Cherrybee

    papaya / 10570 posts

    @looch: That's what I think should happen! Your government should mandate it. I hate that women are made to choose when their babies are so young.

  17. looch

    wonderful pear / 26210 posts

    @Cherrybee: They won't, because it would mean an increase in taxes, and Americans across the board favor lower taxes, even if it means less services. Which means, even subsidized childcare is a long way away too!

  18. jedeve

    pomegranate / 3643 posts

    @looch: @Cherrybee: hmm if I had to choose I think subsidized child care would be better public policy - strengthens the workforce, can help ensure quality standards and that kids receive the proper developmental encouragement for their ages.

    But I think paid maternity leave is more likely. It doesn't play into that "poor people shouldn't have babies" and "all mothers should be at home with their children" mentalities a lot of people have.

  19. anandam

    kiwi / 687 posts

    @Madison43: You're right, I suppose it was inaccurate to say it's "totally" unrelated to our finances. We have made certain decisions to keep our cost of living lower, but I also know women whose partners are disabled or absent or just unable to financially support the family, so it's not a choice for them. Or who feel like providing more financial stability and options for their family is more important than being the person who changes their diapers and holds their bottle (the foundation of this thread, I think). It's all valid, I agree. There's no right way to parent!

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