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@Maysprout: I completely agree! The book I was looking into was Shepherding a Child's Heart...in that one, I don't think it is abuse, per se, that they are encouraging, but I can see how some parents could take it to that level. From what I have seen of the TTUAC recommendations it sounds a lot like it IS advocating abuse....and it makes me feel sick to my stomach that these books are claiming to be following Christian principles. That is a good point though about abuse not needing to be done in anger...there are plenty of passive aggressive parents who abuse their children, unfortunately

@MsLipGloss: He says babies are born with a rebellious spirit, and you have to start breaking that from birth. No joke. Things like waiting until the baby *stops* crying before you pick them up are strongly recommended. It's insane.

I was raised to think the Pearls were wonderful, and had a copy of TTUAC, as well as Debi Pearl's Created to be His Helpmeet (which, among other things, advocates staying with an abuser and just submitting to him more, in EVERYTHING, and says if sex hurts get over it, etc). When I finally got out of that mindset, I refused to even take them to a used bookstore or donate them. They went straight in the garbage, so that there would be one less copy of them in the world.

I'm ok with Amazon choosing not to sell the books. I would not be ok with the government banning the books.

@Torchwood: I burned my CTBHH. Very satisfying.

Ok I just read a blog that had quotes from the book and it made me want to cry. One was:

"At four months she was too unknowing to be punished for disobedience. But for her own good, we attempted to train her not to climb the stairs by coordinating the voice command of “No” with little spats on the bare legs. The switch was a twelve-inch long, one-eighth-inch diameter sprig from a willow tree."

Seriously 4 months with a switch.

and this 9 year old who was raised with this parenting style said this:

A seven-month-old boy had, upon failing to get his way, stiffened clenched his fists, bared his toothless gums and called down damnation on the whole place. At a time like that, the angry expression on a baby’s face can resemble that of one instigating a riot. The young mother, wanting to do the right thing, stood there in helpless consternation, apologetically shrugged her shoulders and said, “What can I do?” My incredulous nine-year-old whipped back, “Switch him.” The mother responded, “I can’t, he’s too little.” With the wisdom of a veteran who had been on the little end of the switch, my daughter answered, “If he is old enough to pitch a fit, he is old enough to be spanked.”

@Mrs. Lion: I know! I read a Salon article about these books and they were saying stuff along the lines of, "Not all Christians agree with these principles..."

WTF. ALMOST EVERY Christian disagrees with these tactics! Not just a minority!

@jedeve: i honestly find it incredibly offensive....it shows the authors lack an understanding of the scriptures....and to condone violence against women/children hurts the gospel message (in addition to obviously harming children/women). The link i posted previously has a great explanation of what the verses actually say...this whole thing just makes me so sad the thought of anyone using the bible as a means to force parents to harm children is just beyond wrong....

I have only read this thread and I seriously feel ill. I think about my 4 month old baby and what he could POSSIBLY do to deliberately be disobedient! He can't even grasp the concept of being bad yet! I seriously feel sick. I feel so poorly for those little babies and I just want to go wake mine up from his name and hug him.