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@agold: I just overheard a coworker saying they are a Republican but they will vote for whoever the Democrat nominee is simply to vote AGAINST Trump. That was encouraging.
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@Adira: yeah I agree it'd be terrible for both of them to run. But I do think if a viable third party enters they're both in trouble since Trump and Clinton have very low favorability ratings.
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@Adira: That's really interesting. Did she say what her reasoning was?
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@agold: Basically he said he thought Trump was insane and a liar and would do a terrible job as president.
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@Adira: So she'd compromise her own values to make a point. I wonder if a lot of Republicans will be willing to do that. Let me know what else you hear!!
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@agold: Well, I don't think he's conservative, so he's more Republican for the small government and tax reasons, so I don't think he thinks Democrats are the devil or anything. That probably helps.
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@Adira: So funny, though, because Trump is not conservative, and is saying he's for small government and lesser taxes. Although, I really doubt he will do anything about reducing the size of the government. Democrats are big government and more taxes. Again, its going to be so totally interesting!
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@agold: Well, he thinks Trump is a racist, sexist, xenophobic pig, so... I think those things are probably more important to him than small government and tax cuts!
ETA: I agree! It's going to be interesting. And I'm going to be nervous until the very end, I think!
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@Adira: if he doesn't like trumps xenophobia, who would he have voted for? I know both Cruz and kasich spoke out in support of a wall. Trump is more outspoken but xenophobia seems to have been built into the republican platform this year.
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@agold: @Adira: Not a large sample group by any means, but my aunt is SUPER conservative / anti-Obama / pro-Cruz and *hates* Trump but has said several times in the past few weeks that she will "hold her nose" and vote for him in the general. It's more important to her that a R win over a D, even if she doesn't like that R candidate and I definitely don't think she is alone in that view.
I think Trump will do better in the general because people will party-line vote, and I hope the Dems don't underestimate him/that. (To be fair, I would do the same and vote for a Dem I didn't love in the general, because it's about much more than the one candidate).
I don't see Bernie and Trump sharing any supporters. I hope Bernie's supporters realize en masse it's about more than just one candidate.
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@yoursilverlining: most of Bernie supporters seem to be registered independents. He's done much better in states with open primaries. So I don't think the concern is to convince democrats but to convince independents.
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@Maysprout: yes & that's what's unfortunate is that I don't believe in the primary and caucus season we are getting a fair representation of how many Bernie supporters there really could be.
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From a Republican POV, I can't stand Trump. I also can't get behind a Democratic candidate. Currently, I'm stumped about voting. I want a none of the above option. I'll be looking toward the independent candidates to see if I can throw my support at any of them.
I know I'm not alone. The next months leading up to the election are going to get ugly. I suspect this will be one of the ugliest mud slinging battles we've seen in a long time. I fully expect Trump to swing hard and often at HRC.
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@Maysprout: Whatever their party affiliation, we'll need their votes! And HRC is certainly going to deliver SCOTUS candidates and platforms closer to Bernie's than Trump would.
I really dislike the delegate system in elections like this, where Bernie can win a state, but get fewer delegates. Just doesn't seem fair, to anyone.
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@yoursilverlining: I agree. I just keep seeing FB posts about telling Bernie voters to get in line with their party. But I think it's a terrible strategy to convince anyone bc it's not necessarily their party so it's just another thing about HRC that rings flat to them. She needs to recruit some Obama or sanders advisers bc her messaging right now is not on point to recruit them.
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@Maysprout: Who is telling Bernie supporters to get in line with their party? Does that mean for Bernie supporters to vote for Hillary? I think the democratic party is going to do all they can to not let Bernie be the candidate.
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@agold: I have seen both on my FB feed, Bernie supporters telling each other to continue standing behind Bernie no matter what, and Hillary supporters telling Bernie supporters that they should stand behind Hilary against Trump.
Personally, I like Bernie alot but I sort of wish he would stand down because I think the dems need to get it together and be a unified front. Bernie is great but he has really divided the party.
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@agold: yeah it's telling Bernie supporters to vote for Hillary when she becomes the nominee. I agree that she's more in line with his views but I think he attracted a lot of people who don't usually vote or are registered independents. So I think the argument of vote Hillary bc we're all democrats here falls flat.
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@Maysprout: I have no idea - I don't know who he voted for, but we were one of the first Primaries, so he probably voted for Carly or something. I know a lot of people here (at my job) seemed to like her.
@yoursilverlining: Totally agree with you. I think people will definitely vote party-lines here, and if even a portion of Bernie supporters decide not to vote for Hillary, it will just give Trump a win (and a country a huge loss, in my opinion).
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@agold: Up until recently I considered myself a republican and have only ever voted republican or libertarian. I WILL NOT vote for Trump (or Cruz for that matter). I dislike HRC but will vote for her over him any day. I'm not not supporting him because he's not a true conservative (I'm more socially liberal anyway), I'm not voting for Trump because he's a pig.
Ideally, I would have voted for Bernie (I voted for him in the primary).
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@Littlebit: Thanks for sharing that. So you just don't like him personally, and that's why you won't vote for him. But you don't like Hillary either, so is it that you trust Hillary on issues important to you (national security, economy, whatever) more than you trust Trump? And maybe you still can vote for Bernie!!
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@Littlebit: most people I know are in the same boat as you. I've never heard the "he's not a true conservative" reasoning. It's because he's a total crazy psychopath and has no qualifications that make him fit to run a country.
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@lawbee11: @Adira: Chiming in on SCOTUS nominee. I think there's a strong possibility Merrick Garland will get confirmed prior to the election. Republicans can't trust Trump to nominate a "real" conservative and Hillary is almost certain to nominate someone less moderate than Judge Garland. Plus, he's older and more palatable because he'd be there less time than a 50-something nominee. These are all reasons that Obama (who, whether you like him or not, is very intelligent) chose him.
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@mrsjd: Oh, I didn't even think of how Trump being the nominee might affect Merrick Garland. I hope you're right!
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@mrsjd: Oh I definitely hope Garland does get confirmed. I'm just not very optimistic at this point. And I agree with what you said about Trump, but I also feel like they will stick to their guns to prove a point even if it bites them in the ass later.
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@lawbee11: You may be right! I am likely underestimating their stubbornness and overestimating their ability to collectively think logically.
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@Maysprout: At this point in 2008, HRC beat Obama in Indiana and he had a smaller delegate lead over her than the one Hillary has over Bernie and yet he went on to be the nominee so I like HRC's chances in the general.
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@plantains: she's going to get the nomination but it's not the same at all as Obama. He was never favored in Indiana and it was at the height of the Rev Wright scandal. She had the name Clinton, well known, running against a newbie with an unknown and dictator name, I'm still surprised he was able to be victorious.
Trump is a bunch more disliked but Clinton is breaking her own records in that camp. . I'm going to vote for her if there's no other plausible candidate besides those two but I still think people are a bit too confident on how there's no chance of Trump. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-distaste-for-both-trump-and-clinton-is-record-breaking/ -
@Maysprout: I am really scared about the outcome of the race in particular when you throw in potential third party candidates (well unless it's a republican one). Now that he's wrapping up the nom, Trump is going to tone down the rhetoric and people being who they are are going to forget about many of the insane things he's said and has proposed.
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@MrsSCB: Did you see this?
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@lawbee11: Hahaha that's awesome. I was totally thinking, "He couldn't even manage to eat some real Mexican food--had to go for the damn taco bowl?"
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@Maysprout: I just think that all the ingredients were there for a Bernie victory in Indiana so if we look past the spin it really isn't surprising but when it comes to the general election Clinton is well prepared to take Trump on.
When all is said and done, the general will bear such little resemblance to the primaries, if Saturday Night Live does their job we will hopefully be rid of Trump.
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@agold: Hillary scares me less. She has more experience with foreign policy vs. Trump's foreign policy...which thus far has been calling the majority of mexican people rapists and also wanting to ban muslim people from our country. Trump dealing with our enemies (and allies) scares the shit out of me. I also can't vote for a person who thinks so little of women. I trust that Hillary won't take away my rights to my body and also won't make jokes about women being on their period when they have a strong opinion on something.
@catomd00: exactly!
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