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  1. JoJoGirl

    cantaloupe / 6206 posts

    @LCTBQE: Aaaaagh I am so sorry

  2. mrsmacandcheese

    blogger / clementine / 985 posts

    @LCTBQE: much love to you.

  3. LCTBQE

    nectarine / 2461 posts

    @Nutella: @Silva: @JoJoGirl: @MrsDragon: thanks, ladies I went in for a beta today and my OB will call me tomorrow, and I'm going to ask her then about the necessity of waiting and about any kind of testing or plan. She stressed to me that she thinks these two are unrelated--in her words, "the first was a bad egg, this is a bad pregnancy" so she doesn't seem to think there's anything wrong (so far) other than very bad luck. I started another thread after my first m/c asking, ironically, about how to prevent this from happening again, and a couple of women with two in a row wrote and said they had finally had luck on progesterone and baby aspirin, so going to ask about that.

    how is everyone else doing?

  4. Nutella

    persimmon / 1045 posts

    @LCTBQE: I'm o' ing one of these days but have been on holiday until last night (without DH) so we have only had one go so far! Not sure if we will get that lucky with timing but will see. Had been nice taking a break from the heavy scrutiny of the last few cycles...so that's a relief. Plus spent the last week swimming in the sea so I feel like new! Glad you'll be chatting with doctor soon!

  5. jaguar

    pomegranate / 3764 posts

    Still. Beeping. Pregnant.

    HCG is up again to 25. Scan is tomorrow to check for retained products of conception (what a lovely term) and whether or not I'll need to do a D&C again, or if I will just be stuck in this endless monotony of waiting around.

    I hate everything right now.

  6. Zbug

    persimmon / 1355 posts

    @jaguar: I'm so incredibly sorry. I know you want nothing more than to just move on. Be good to yourself. Wine, ice cream etc.

  7. Nutella

    persimmon / 1045 posts

    @jaguar: so sorry, that is freaking awful

  8. mrsmacandcheese

    blogger / clementine / 985 posts

    @jaguar: I'm so sorry. That has to be incredibly frustrating.

    I feel like everyone in the world is pregnant and so very oblivious about it, which I know is unfair for me to think, and it's probably MY attitude that needs to change, but dammit I wish people could just be... quietly pregnant. I feel like if we ever do successfully conceive I am going to never talk about it to people other than my husband and my healthcare providers, because of the way I feel now.

    Today is CD8 for me so I'm going to try to kick of SMEP even with houseguests. Not temping this month and I have no OPKs so I'm just going to assume that I'll ovulate when I usually do.

  9. catlady

    grapefruit / 4988 posts

    @LCTBQE: So sorry you are joining here. Hoping you are doing ok. My midwife also just basically called me unlucky.

    @jaguar: I can't imagine how hard this must be for you. So so sorry.

    @MrsDragon: I know what you mean about wanting people to be quietly pregnant. Now that my co-worker is almost at her due date, she cannot seem to talk about anything other than her pregnancy, her baby, or her gut feelings about when the baby will arrive (2 weeks early, she believes). Ugh.

    Today I am feeling pretty good. After 5 days of crazy weird PMS (I almost passed out last night from vertigo!?), AF is finally here. It is a relief to be out of that terrible post-miscarriage purgatory.

  10. Zbug

    persimmon / 1355 posts

    @MrsDragon: yep. My friends mainly talk abt being pregnant or having multiple children now. I would like to step back from everyone for awhile, but dd asks for her friends and obviously she doesn't understand.

  11. Nutella

    persimmon / 1045 posts

    @Zbug: I know what you mean - I pretty much withdrew for a while and then again after the first few attempts didn't work. Can't deal! I guess that's the plus side of not living in the same city as any of my close friends but that means I've pretty much not seen many friends at all since it happened & it is so horribly lonely too! I stay off FB though - it seems to only show me birth announcements on there!

  12. jaguar

    pomegranate / 3764 posts

    @MrsDragon: I feel the same. It breaks my heart that pregnancy has become such a touchy subject for me, because that's all we want so much. I am legitimately scared we won't get to experience it again.

  13. delight

    pomelo / 5326 posts

    @jaguar: Frick jag that sucks. I hope you get answers soon. Are you still bleeding? Good luck at your scan. I hope you don't need anothe D&C.

    @MrsDragon: I also feel like everyone is pregnant. I have already withdrawn from lots of friendships in the past year. I've even withdrawn completely from my brother and sister in law. We were due on the same day but I lost our daughter at 22 weeks. Then they had a little girl and it broke my heart. I suck. I can't even be happy for them. I feel like the worst person ever. Then I got pregnant again and my best friend got pregnant three weeks later and I loss that one too. I just wish this was easier. I feel like these losses are making me lose friendships because it's hard to be around others having healthy babies.

    Nothing new with me. I thought my bleeding was done. But I'm still spotting. I have another blood test next week to see if it's back at 0 or not.

  14. LCTBQE

    nectarine / 2461 posts

    @Nutella: I've been wondering where you were in your cycle (what a weird thing to say)--but you're so busy being here for everyone else, I wasn't sure swimming in the ocean and not freaking out about all this shit sounds so, so dreamy. Hope that the timing is lucky/easy/stress free for you this month. As for me, no news. I missed the call from my OB tonight because I was talking to my boss, and didn't even care. small victories.

    @jaguar: I am so sorry this can't just be over for you already. I had no idea the numbers could actually go up--if there is any trace amount of tissue left, is there any hope that your next period would clear it out? (or does any number above 0 prevent a period?--sorry, I'm learning as I go ). Really hoping this crap situation resolves itself for you, immediately. I know I haven't spoken to you much, but I've seen many posts you've written the past few months--I have so much hope for you that you'll have a successful go again soon

    @MrsDragon: I'm even annoyed with people who ARE quietly pregnant, which is both ugly and unreasonable. Pretty sure my SIL is pregnant and not telling me out of sensitivity, which irks me, and even super-great women at work who are *not* trying to draw attention to themselves are annoying me just by putting their hands on their bellies. The only one who I'm really happy for is one that I know had two years of shit-storm troubles herself, and I hate everyone who even LOOKS like they might be due in April. Nice, huh?

    Anyway, hoping you can be super stealthy even with parents on premises Do you have an idea which day you'll O yet?

    @catlady: thanks for the welcome, and sorry to hear you're also unlucky wow, your co-worker sounds untenable even under the best circumstances SO glad you got your period though--what a relief.

    @delight: I can't imagine living with the situation with your brother and his wife. you sound so incredibly strong.

  15. jaguar

    pomegranate / 3764 posts

    Scan clear and healthy uterus. Back to square one on the 'where is the hcg coming from?' question....  

    @LCTBQE: I don't have periods, so hence the concern about what to do next.

  16. Zbug

    persimmon / 1355 posts

    @jaguar: what!?! Have you talked to your dr yet?

  17. mrsmacandcheese

    blogger / clementine / 985 posts

    Yeah, I'm not TRYING to be bitter, I just feel like people are slapping me in the face yelling "I'M PREGNANT LOOK AT ME!" Which is ridiculous, I know. I need to go live in a cave for the next little while...

    @LCTBQE: We managed to get some last night. It was funny -- I put my dad in the spare room downstairs so he wouldn't be under our bedroom. We went out for dinner, came back, put the baby to bed, he went downstairs and... hung out in the downstairs living room, right underneath our bedroom! Hah. We watched a show upstairs until we heard him blowing up the air mattress.

    I typically ovulate CD16 or 17 -- I'm not temping this cycle because it really stresses my husband out. Debating whether or not to buy OPKs. At this point I think it's too late to order Amazon cheapies so I'd have to buy something more expensive in town, and my ovulation day has never changed aside from the cycle I got pregnant with my daughter.

  18. mrsjd

    clementine / 777 posts

    @delight: That is SO hard. I know some of what you feel. I got pregnant almost exactly a year ago (after an HSG) and lost it at 5 weeks, so technically a chemical. My cousin got pregnant right after and had a baby about a month after mine would've been due. I love her to pieces (she's like my sister) and her sweet baby, but it's so hard because I would've loved having kids close in time to hers. I'm so bitter about it at times. And I just know my sister in law (who I loathe) is going to get knocked up any moment.

    It's so darn unfair. This is our first Clomid cycle and I'm 7 dpo and I just feel like I'm out. I have zero symptoms. We're staying at home for Thanksgiving - we live about 7 hours away from family and I'm so grateful I don't have to deal with them right now.

  19. delight

    pomelo / 5326 posts

    @jaguar: Can you do a round of miso/cytotec just to make sure? I know your scan is clear but I feel like depending on who has been doing my scans, they all see different things.

    @LCTBQE: thanks. I don't always feel strong. I feel like an awful aunt because it took me three months to even visit my niece.
    @mrsjd: Ugh it's so hard when family members have babies when you should have too. Cause I also think about how it would have been so fun for the little cousins to be so close in age.

    This is the week I conceived DD three years ago. We will now officially have a >3 year gap and I don't see any pregnancy in the near future.

    I hope all you ladies are doing well. I'm in Canada but I hope you all have a great Thanksgiving. I know holidays can be hard for us.

  20. jaguar

    pomegranate / 3764 posts

    @MrsDragon: I went offline after the big miscarriage last year. Left all the groups, basically hibernated. It was too, too hard. Sometimes a bit of space can really help your mental health.

    @delight: I'm going to ask my specialist today when I speak to them. *sigh*

    I hear you, chick. G is 2y8m. This kid is going to be practically a teenager **IF** we get pregnant to term again.

  21. mrsmacandcheese

    blogger / clementine / 985 posts

    @jaguar: if I'm not pregnant this cycle (and I have no grand hopes, believe me) I'm probably going to need a mental health break. I'm really good at torturing myself.

  22. jaguar

    pomegranate / 3764 posts

    Next step for me is bloods on Tuesday, and if they are hovering or not coming down, they'll go back to FS and consult for something else to help.

    @MrsDragon: I hear you. I'm the same.

  23. Zbug

    persimmon / 1355 posts

    Anyone ovulate early after an early miscarriage/CP? I'm on cd 11 and had some EWCM days 9-10 but I was still spotting a bit from the CP. I assumed it was just random EWCM, and it's creamy today. I've never ovulated before cd 14 before, but I'm worried that I missed it. Opks yesterday and today were negative.

    I know it probably wasn't O, and I'm being a bit crazy. I'm just freaked out that we could have missed it. Ugh. This sucks.

  24. Nutella

    persimmon / 1045 posts

    @Zbug: not ovulated earlier but did get more patches of EWCM that usual. Do hopefully that's the same for you!

    @jaguar: good luck for Tuesday. Hopefully they know what to do

    @MrsDragon: I ended up biting the bullet and going to visit a counsellor & she has been amazing! Just to talk it out to someone who doesn't try and advise or judge...it's refreshing actually.

  25. Nutella

    persimmon / 1045 posts

    @mrsjd: @delight: sending lots of well wishes to you ladies

  26. mrsmacandcheese

    blogger / clementine / 985 posts

    I've been reading up on b12 deficiency and infertility/miscarriage -- I'm chronically deficient and I know my levels were low as of last year, and I haven't supplemented since then. Gonna start taking tablets again, and if my bloodwork comes back low, as I suspect it will because I have been effing EXHAUSTED lately, I don't know if I should ask about investigating why, exactly, my b12 has been off for almost 10 years.

  27. mrsmacandcheese

    blogger / clementine / 985 posts

    And, I wanted to send extra love to everyone who is dealing with Thanksgiving emotions/family dynamics/etc. today. It's just a Thursday here but I know holidays are hard.

  28. jaguar

    pomegranate / 3764 posts

    @MrsDragon: My b12 came back as extremely low this last week, so I have to have weekly booster shots until they're back to normal. And not ONE person picked it up at my IVF clinic with all their bloodwork...my regular GP did.

  29. mrsmacandcheese

    blogger / clementine / 985 posts

    @jaguar: Mine has been low for ages -- the first time they picked it up was during a random blood panel at least nine years ago, and I read that it actually takes a long time for your body to deplete b12 so if you're deficient, it's the result of something longer-term, usually. I've always had weird stomach issues but never had any reasoning given to me for them (I did a bunch of testing a few years ago and nothing came up for the major stuff like celiac, h pylori, etc.)

    I just ordered some high-dosage b12 sublingual tablets -- I don't think it can hurt to take it, and I will grasp at ANYTHING that could help at this point. I guess it's something that some people have without any symptoms, but I think it's really bizarre that I have gone this long without anyone mentioning that it has a potential effect on fertility.

  30. jaguar

    pomegranate / 3764 posts

    @MrsDragon: I know! Not one person mentioned checking vitamin levels to me... and this was miscarriage #3. I know realistically our losses are more based on dodgy embryos.. but shoudn't they be checking EVERYTHING just in case? Sigh.

    I have to have further blood serum testing to see if I have any problems with absorbing the B12.. if that's the case, I'll probably need the shots long-term. (Joy!)

  31. mrsmacandcheese

    blogger / clementine / 985 posts

    @jaguar: I would think with the time and investment you are putting into this -- yes, they should really be checking EVERYTHING! It's always been a part of my blood panels, but I always mention it any time bloods are ordered for me because I know I'm deficient.

    I hope you can absorb it easily and can switch to oral supplements at some point. Too many needles.

  32. catlady

    grapefruit / 4988 posts

    Hope everyone survived Thanksgiving. I was doing great until DH's grandfather asked me if DD was going to get a brother or sister. At first, I wasn't sure what he was asking, and then he pointed at my stomach and said wasn't there a little one in there? I tried to laugh it off and said I wasn't pregnant but he kept at it. I finally had to tell him that we lost the baby. This all happened while DD was with me (she hadn't known I was pregnant and I hope she didn't understand) and in front of several cousins who are not close to us.

    The kicker is, we never told him in the first place. I think MIL or SIL broke our trust and then forgot to tell him about the loss. Sigh. Glad the holiday is over.

  33. Nutella

    persimmon / 1045 posts

    @catlady: oh my goodness. That is so awful - good on you for biting the bullet and just letting him know. What a crazy situation, that would have been so awkward

    Luckily for us in Aus, there's no big Thanksgiving celebrations so I get to miss those situations but we have lots coming up over Xmas/new year so I'm just hoping I can either be pregnant by then, or I can swig my wine & ignore everyone!

    Hugs to you!

  34. mrsmacandcheese

    blogger / clementine / 985 posts

    @catlady: Oh that sounds awful. Lots of hugs to you.

  35. Zbug

    persimmon / 1355 posts

    @catlady: ugghh. So sorry. Hugs.

  36. LCTBQE

    nectarine / 2461 posts

    @MrsDragon: good for you for making it happen! and that's so great that the m/c's haven't messed up your cycle and you can still rely on it.
    PS: would you link to a b12 article you've read that helped you? always looking for something to fix over here.

    @catlady: that sounds annihilating... it's hard to get angry at a grandparent, but I'm mad on your behalf. so sorry you had to go through that, it sounds like a script version of what we are all dreading over the holidays

    I had some lite doses of why-aren't-you-pregnant-yet, coupled with 4 days of non-stop discussion of all my in-laws' babies and their conquests with breastfeeding and walking. happy to be home; I think I would have seriously rather been chained to my desk at work the entire time.

  37. Nutella

    persimmon / 1045 posts

    @LCTBQE: hello there! Thank you for your earlier message, sorry I wasn't able to reply until now. Definitely have o'd and now just hanging out until AF shows (or not 🎉)! I'm pushing through this week as DH is studying for a big exam this Saturday, on top of working extra long hours through the weekdays..so I'm giving myself permission to buy some lazy dinners & catch up on The Walking Dead! We also sold our house on the weekend at auction which was really f'n stressful!! All done though! How are you going cycle wise?

  38. Nutella

    persimmon / 1045 posts

    @LCTBQE: pS: sorry too about the painful conversations regarding babies & pregnancy status

  39. mrsmacandcheese

    blogger / clementine / 985 posts

    @LCTBQE: I will look for an article at work tomorrow!

    SMEP is more like 'get myself psyched up and then end up feeling horrible when my husband chooses other things." CD13 and we've done it twice since my period ended. I just deleted FF from my phone -- I'm so discouraged and frustrated and feeling like I should just give up. I hate this.

  40. Silva

    cantaloupe / 6017 posts

    I just got a faint positive at 10 dpo. In the past I've waited until I miss my period to call my doctor, but I'm itching to call early. They are usually pretty booked, and if I could get an early scan it would be amazing. Last time I ant even booked for an ultrasound until almost 9 weeks, and if I hadn't made a big deal about my spotting I might not have even found out about the m/c until then. I don't want to have to wait that long. Even Blood tests would help me calm down at this point.
    Would you guys call or wait longer.

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